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Dwarves came from the Lyrium?


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#1
JuGonzo

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I wonder... the "Stone" that dwarves talk about could be the Lyrium itself? 

 

If they are not connected with the Fade, but still have emotions, maybe is because is the Lyrium, not the Fade, the source of the "emotions"?

 

 

Maybe, in the very long past, dwarves could DO magic? And, somehow, lost this skill?

 

 



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The Stone is likely a reference to lyrium. If you listen to Cole he compares dwarves to templars. They are clearly influenced by their exposure to lyrium: their innate resistance from magic and their inability to dream flows from it. But they're not created from Lyrium. 

 

Like the ancestor stuff just comes from the fact that lyrium sometimes can show echos of the past, and a not so developed tribe might interpret that as being actual ancestors. 



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katerinafm

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I doubt dwarves REALLY come from either the stone/lyrium or some other mineral. It's just their 'religion'. But they are definitely influenced by lyrium.


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According to the Chantry, the Maker didn't create Dwarves.

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And without the Titans, the dwarves can never be tall.

Why must you tease me with that bioware?!?
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If lyrium and the Stone are one and the same... maybe Oghren wasn't trolling after all. Boy dwarves sprout from grey rocks and girl dwarves sprout from pink ones. :P

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Master Warder Z_

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According to the Chantry, the Maker didn't create Dwarves.


What God would take credit for dwarves?

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MoonDrummer

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What God would take credit for dwarves?

One that made Elves.



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Master Warder Z_

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One that made Elves.


No.

See the Maker saw the universe needed comedic relief and made elves.

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MoonDrummer

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No.

See the Maker saw the universe needed comedic relief and made elves.

I thought the Orlesians were the comic relief. Its the only way I could explain those masks. 



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Master Warder Z_

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I thought the Orlesians were the comic relief. Its the only way I could explain those masks.


That's only to mystify outsiders.

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MoonDrummer

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That's only to mystify outsiders.

It worked.



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Master Warder Z_

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It worked.


Yup

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vertigomez

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What God would take credit for dwarves?


Pfff, dwarves don't need any dumb gods claiming credit for them. Their achievements are their own. B)

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Pfff, dwarves don't need any dumb gods claiming credit for them. Their achievements are their own. B)


By definition the Maker is a omnipresent and all knowing creator deity.

He therefore cannot be "dumb"

Literally knows everything that will happen or has happened since the lights turned on.

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By definition the Maker is a omnipresent and all knowing creator deity.
He therefore cannot be "dumb"
Literally knows everything that will happen or has happened since the lights turned on.


Assuming he's real. :whistle:

Or, uh. As real as a deity in a fictional universe can be, anyway.

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I think that the ones who are more related with lyrium are the Rock Wraiths, the people also suggests that the Rock Wraiths are dwarves who ate red lyrium, but the Primeval Thaig is older than Corypheus' expedition, so, where the Blight came from? if the red lyrium is tainted.

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Assuming he's real. :whistle:

Or, uh. As real as a deity in a fictional universe can be, anyway.


I assumed we were operating on the premise he was.

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I don't know, many of the companions embody superpowers.  Varric=stone=lyrium (dwarf deity) isn't a stretch at all.  I'm still trying to figure out who's Dorian, unless he's the dragon instead of Bull.

 

This works with a model I'm trying out, with each companion representing a virtue.  There should be a representative from each, and I've got Varric/magic (dwarves can't practice it because they are it), Solas/harmony, Cassandra/faith, Cole/compassion, Dorian/pride (but not the demon kind), Blackwall/valor, Vivenne/ambition, Sera/equality, and Bull/discipline.  My labels are pretty arbitrary, and far from perfect.  It's a work in progress, really just a wispy concept that creeps in as I'm playing, but hey, fun to think about.



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No, the opposite... Sort of. At least it's my theory. My theory is that lyrium absorbs organic matter and somehow even absorbs the memories and minds of anyone it breaks down and absorbs. This is how red lyrium came to be, the lyrium also tried to absorb the taint and poisoned itself in the process. This is why dwarves are right about their ancestors watching over them when they "give them to the stone" (as in let lyrium absorb them), all the dwarves ancestor's minds live on in the lyrium and watch over future generations through it. After so long, lyrium might as well be a collective of all dwarven histories worth of minds and memories. Lyrium even protects dwarves directly, like when it guided the crosscut drifters using their own inherent lyrium tracking senses (stone sense) to follow it straight to a secret collection of darkspawn about to break right past Orzammar's defenses so they could stop it. Lyrium would be creepy if it wasn't so seemingly benevolent, with how those it absorbs influence it to be friendly and try to protect the dwarves. Except the red stuff, which is when it starts acting in a way influenced by darkspawn minds and the taint rather that acting in a way that is influenced by ancient dwarves minds.

 

I trust my own theory quite a lot. I figured out lyrium was alive back in 2013 and figured that red lyrium had something to do with its absorption traits, and I was right on both counts. So this theory is probably not too far off either. Everything fits. Lyrium is sentiant and sapient, those are facts. My idea is merely how it gained that sapience, and it's because it's been absorbing sapient minds since it appeared in the world.


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I think that the ones who are more related with lyrium are the Rock Wraiths, the people also suggests that the Rock Wraiths are dwarves who ate red lyrium, but the Primeval Thaig is older than Corypheus' expedition, so, where the Blight came from? if the red lyrium is tainted.

 

I saw it noted in the Wiki that the Claw of Dumat statue in the Fade is just like the statues in the Thaig. The Fade statue is a replica of the one Corypheus created to sacrifice elves on to open the Fade and enter the first time (Claw of Dumat note is accessible when you click on the statue, though it's not a codex, unfortunately)