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[thats1evildude]

Wait, why are people talking about getting eaten?

 

http://dragonage.wik...rent_Darkspawn?

[X Equestris]

Eaten?

There was this note from a dwarf that you can find, which mentions three Darkspawn dressed like kings arguing. One eats another, and the other runs off.

[Ranadiel Marius]

Wait, why are people talking about getting eaten?

There is a codex in DAI where a dwarf mentions a story his great great grandpa (or something) told of co.ing across three darkspawn in fancy outfits arguing about who's is at fault (or something). Encounter ends with one of the darkspawn eating another and the third fleeing.

[Boost32]

No, Thalsian was the first recorded Dreamer ever. He preceded the 7 by a very long time.

But Thalsian was the First Priest of Dumat and lived at the same time as Darinius, so he cant have preceded the 7.

And about the eaten part: http://dragonage.wik...rent_Darkspawn? , its imply only 3 Magister came back.

[Ranadiel Marius]

But Thalsian was the First Priest of Dumat and lived at the same time as Darinius, so he cant have preceded the 7.

And about the eaten part: http://dragonage.wik...rent_Darkspawn? , its imply only 3 Magister came back.

Not true, Cory was sealed at the time the story would be occurring so he was not one of the three there (plus he is unaware of any others coming back). So at least four returned if the story is true, and I see no reason to believe the other three didn't return as well.

[thats1evildude]

And about the eaten part: http://dragonage.wik...rent_Darkspawn? , its imply only 3 Magister came back.

 

That's a bit of a jump.

[Heimdall]

But Thalsian was the First Priest of Dumat and lived at the same time as Darinius, so he cant have preceded the 7.

And about the eaten part: http://dragonage.wik...rent_Darkspawn? , its imply only 3 Magister came back.

Um, why can't Thalsian preceed them?

Just because that person only saw three doesn't mean only three came back, just that they weren't together. We don't even know when that story occurs.

[Hellion Rex]

Not true, Cory was sealed at the time the story would be occurring so he was not one of the three there (plus he is unaware of any others coming back). So at least four returned if the story is true, and I see no reason to believe the other three didn't return as well.

According to the Canticle in the preview, apparently when the seven dropped back onto the mortal plane, the Archon pretty much beat the living hell out of them and "scattered them to the winds". Perhaps they were so disoriented by their transformation into the darkspawn that they were unable to tell that others had survived.

 

Though the three "traveling together" appear to be cognizant of each other.

[Ranadiel Marius]

Um, why can't Thalsian preceed them?

Just because that person only saw three doesn't mean only three came back, just that they weren't together. We don't even know when that story occurs.

Well we know it occurred four generations back, and I believe dwarf life spans are comparable to humans, so it would have occurred somewhere between 80 and 200 (at the absolute extreme) years ago. Unless I am wrong regarding dwarf life spans.

[Heimdall]

Well we know it occurred four generations back, and I believe dwarf life spans are comparable to humans, so it would have occurred somewhere between 80 and 200 (at the absolute extreme) years ago. Unless I am wrong regarding dwarf life spans.

What's that have to do with it?

[Boost32]

Um, why can't Thalsian preceed them?
Just because that person only saw three doesn't mean only three came back, just that they weren't together. We don't even know when that story occurs.

Because Danarius and Thalsian lived at the same time, so Thalsian lived at the same time as the Magister, if Thalsian preceded them, Danarius would not be alive to kick their asses.

If Danarius scattered them, I think they would not travel together, but its speculation on my part.

[Ranadiel Marius]

What's that have to do with it?

Well you said that we don't know when it occurred, and I wanted to point out that since we know it was the writer's grandfather's grandfather who encountered the three Darkspawn we can get a rough range for when it occurred.

I suppose the range isn't too useful though. Only info I can get based off of it is that since Cory was sealed at the time, he was not one of the three in the story...which you can gather from other sources since he was unaware the others survived.

[X Equestris]

Because Danarius and Thalsian lived at the same time, so Thalsian lived at the same time as the Magister, if Thalsian preceded them, Danarius would not be alive to kick their asses.
If Danarius scattered them, I think they would not travel together, but its speculation on my part.

The Archon is unnamed in the Canticle. All it says is that he wore the ring of the Ferryman, a symbol of Darinius. So the ring might just be a badge of office.

[Boost32]

The Archon is unnamed in the Canticle. All it says is that he wore the ring of the Ferryman, a symbol of Darinius. So the ring might just be a badge of office.

Hmm... Thanks for the information.

[Hellion Rex]

The Archon is unnamed in the Canticle. All it says is that he wore the ring of the Ferryman, a symbol of Darinius. So the ring might just be a badge of office.

The Ring of the Ferryman actually is the badge of office for Archons.

[X Equestris]

The Ring of the Ferryman actually is the badge of office for Archons.

Well, then that settles it, it's just an unnamed Archon. So if we ever get a name to go with the date of the Magisters entering the Golden City, we'll know who it is.

[In Exile]

We knew he was one of the magister, but not who god he followed.

Everything the Chantry says about the creation of the Darkspawn is true (the only thing that might be wrong is the golden city), I wonder how they knew about them.

Remember that a lot of history was lost over the first blight. It's quite possible that people DID learn during the first blight exactly what caused it and who was responsible. Later writers may have simply written a rather biased religious account of the actual history.

[In Exile]

According to the Canticle in the preview, apparently when the seven dropped back onto the mortal plane, the Archon pretty much beat the living hell out of them and "scattered them to the winds". Perhaps they were so disoriented by their transformation into the darkspawn that they were unable to tell that others had survived.

Though the three "traveling together" appear to be cognizant of each other.

Corypheus was superpowered by ancient elven magic to the nth degree and we thoroughly kicked his ass. Hawke had the power of basically nothing and beat Corypheus.

One of the most powerful blood mages in the old Tevinter Imperium at the height of its power was likely a fearsome being. He could have solo'd 7 recently mutated magisters.

[X Equestris]

Remember that a lot of history was lost over the first blight. It's quite possible that people DID learn during the first blight exactly what caused it and who was responsible. Later writers may have simply written a rather biased religious account of the actual history.

Hessarian had the added benefit of direct access to Tevinter records. Still, the first part of the Canticle, where it talks a little about the Conductor and his dreams fits very well with what we know from Cory himself.

Corypheus was superpowered by ancient elven magic to the nth degree and we thoroughly kicked his ass. Hawke had the power of basically nothing and beat Corypheus.
One of the most powerful blood mages in the old Tevinter Imperium at the height of its power was likely a fearsome being. He could have solo'd 7 recently mutated magisters.

It mentions that the Archon called on spirits to help him banish the Magisters, as well.

[In Exile]

Hessarian had the added benefit of direct access to Tevinter records. Still, the first part of the Canticle, where it talks a little about the Conductor and his dreams fits very well with what we know from Cory himself.


It mentions that the Archon called on spirits to help him banish the Magisters, as well.

I'm not challenging that the Chantry's gotten most of the history right. I'm just saying that they may have infused the historical account with their own theology, so it's biased only in the sense that it doesn't quite capture the truth.

We've already seen this with the elves and Solas. They got what he did right in broad strokes but missed a lot of the essential detail and motivation, and their angle on divinity is likely wrong.

[Toasted Llama]

I wonder if the devs ever read threads like these and are just giggling, nodding and shaking their heads at every post that either gets close or is on the wrong track....



DAMNIT NOW I WANT THE DEVS TO PLAY HOT OR COLD WITH US! D:<

[X Equestris]

I'm not challenging that the Chantry's gotten most of the history right. I'm just saying that they may have infused the historical account with their own theology, so it's biased only in the sense that it doesn't quite capture the truth.
We've already seen this with the elves and Solas. They got what he did right in broad strokes but missed a lot of the essential detail and motivation, and their angle on divinity is likely wrong.

Certainly. What happens in the Golden City, for example, may or may not be true. It's worth noting that the text before the Canticle starts mentions this was declared one of the Dissonant Verses by the Chantry, though.

[Heimdall]

Certainly. What happens in the Golden City, for example, may or may not be true. It's worth noting that the text before the Canticle starts mentions this was declared one of the Dissonant Verses by the Chantry, though.

There's a codex about that in the game. It says they made it dissonant because it was written from the Maker's perspective, which the Chantry found presumptuous.

[phaonica]

Oh wow, you can preview quite a lot of the new book, can't you. Nice.

[X Equestris]

There's a codex about that in the game. It says they made it dissonant because it was written from the Maker's perspective, which the Chantry found presumptuous.

The text in the book elaborates a little on that. I think it also mentions feelings that it was propaganda for Hessarian to use against the Altus ruling class.