It wouldn't really be a retcon though. He's the same as Cory, why wouldn't he have the same body-jumping powers? I'd say it's weirder to assume he is dead rather than the other way around.
yah, like what one poster had said, he jumped into Velenna's sister or something...
but i thought these old gods can only be killed by grey wardens because the grey warden suck the essence or something...
but i thought these old gods can only be killed by grey wardens because the grey warden suck the essence or something...
That's the way it works with an Archdemon. But I think in DA2 it is mentioned that Magister-darkspawn are not killable this way.
yah, like what one poster had said, he jumped into Velenna's sister or something...
but i thought these old gods can only be killed by grey wardens because the grey warden suck the essence or something...
What happens is that if a Grey Wardens strikes the killing blow, the Taint will make the Archdemon's soul jump into the Grey Warden.
As Flemeth says, a soul can't be forced upon the unwilling, when the Archdemon's soul and the Warden's fight for control of the body, they destroy each other and both die. Darkspawn, on the other hand, have no souls and thus, they're a perfect repository for the Archdemon's.
Somehow, Corypheus; and, presumably, the other Ancient Magisters; can break this rule.
Do we know the hierarchy of the group, top to bottom?
Conductor (Dumat) (1st Blight)
The Madman of Chaos (Zazikel) (2nd Blight)
Forgewright of the Fire (Tooth) (3rd Blight)
Appraiser of Slavery (Andoral) (4th Blight)
Architect of the Works of Beauty (Urthemiel) (5h Blight)
Augur of Mystery (Razikale)
Watchman of the Night (Lusacan)
I don't know what do you mean by hierarchy? Power? But those titles match the Old Gods.
What happens is that if a Grey Wardens strikes the killing blow, the Taint will make the Archdemon's soul jump into the Grey Warden.
As Flemeth says, a soul can't be forced upon the unwilling, when the Archdemon's soul and the Warden's fight for control of the body, they destroy each other and both die. Darkspawn, on the other hand, have no souls and thus, they're a perfect repository for the Archdemon's.
Somehow, Corypheus; and, presumably, the other Ancient Magisters; can break this rule.
"The High Priest, Conductor of the Choir of Silence ruled
Above all the Dreamers of the Imperium. Wisest
And most powerful of the Magisters Sidereal
In his dreams, he alone heard the voice of Silence
The Magisters Sidereal were the group of 7 high priests of the Old Gods within the Magisterium"
Conductor of the Choir; could suggest creator of the SONG Warden's/Darkspawn hear.
But let's rewrite this a bit. "The High Priest (who happens to be Conductor of the Choir) ruled above ALL Dreamers. Wisest and most powerful of the Magisters Siderael (Sidereal could be "real side" meaning the place Dreamer's meet/go.) in his dreams. He alone heard the Voice."
Maybe the Conductor of the Choir only had power in the Dreamer's domain. He wanted power elsewhere. He convinces them he hears a voice and the power struggle bands together an unlikely cooperation.
Sidereal is a real word. It means "with respect to the stars/constellations". So I'm thinking these Magisters Sidereal are the heads of the group responsible for the Astrariums (Astraria?).
So the Magisters Sidereal were all about the constellations (many of which represent Old Gods) and the stars. Wait! Now I see it! The Old Gods came from the stars!
An Archdemon's soul can only be supported by blighted creatures who don't have one themselves, hence why it survives in darkspawn, because darkspawn are soulless.
So if darkspawn themselves are soulless, that means the 7 are too right? I mean they are technically the same thing, just more powerful?
That would mean when one of the 7 "dies," it's "essence" (not soul, because they don't have one) is basically like...a negative, black hole kind of thing, like the opposite of a soul.
That's how I fanwank them being able to regenerate into *any* blighted creature, Warden or no. Their lack of soul overrides the Warden's, sort of...sickens it, whereas the Archdemon's soul is corrupted, but still a soul that can't exist with theirs, causing them both to be destroyed.
That theory is pretty convoluted even for my pretty formidable record in mental gymnastics though, so I'm sure there's a simpler reason.
Also years of watching Buffy and Angel and now this...I'm starting to get pretty sick of the word "soul" xD
I suppose the only question now is whether or not the Architect and the other Magisters have the same body hopping powers Corypheus did. My guess would be that they do, but who knows.
That would my guess as well.
If the Architect was killed in Awakening he likely respawned. On that note I hope he reappears at some point in the series.
An Archdemon's soul can only be supported by blighted creatures who don't have one themselves, hence why it survives in darkspawn, because darkspawn are soulless.
So if darkspawn themselves are soulless, that means the 7 are too right? I mean they are technically the same thing, just more powerful?
That would mean when one of the 7 "dies," it's "essence" (not soul, because they don't have one) is basically like...a negative, black hole kind of thing, like the opposite of a soul.
That's how I fanwank them being able to regenerate into *any* blighted creature, Warden or no. Their lack of soul overrides the Warden's, sort of...sickens it, whereas the Archdemon's soul is corrupted, but still a soul that can't exist with theirs, causing them both to be destroyed.
That theory is pretty convoluted even for my pretty formidable record in mental gymnastics though, so I'm sure there's a simpler reason.
Also years of watching Buffy and Angel and now this...I'm starting to get pretty sick of the word "soul" xD
That would my guess as well.
If the Architect was killed in Awakening he likely respawned. On that note I hope he reappears at some point in the series.
At least that would be an death and revival that would make contextual sense, unlike say, Leliana.
An Archdemon's soul can only be supported by blighted creatures who don't have one themselves, hence why it survives in darkspawn, because darkspawn are soulless.
So if darkspawn themselves are soulless, that means the 7 are too right? I mean they are technically the same thing, just more powerful?
That would mean when one of the 7 "dies," it's "essence" (not soul, because they don't have one) is basically like...a negative, black hole kind of thing, like the opposite of a soul.
That's how I fanwank them being able to regenerate into *any* blighted creature, Warden or no. Their lack of soul overrides the Warden's, sort of...sickens it, whereas the Archdemon's soul is corrupted, but still a soul that can't exist with theirs, causing them both to be destroyed.
That theory is pretty convoluted even for my pretty formidable record in mental gymnastics though, so I'm sure there's a simpler reason.
Also years of watching Buffy and Angel and now this...I'm starting to get pretty sick of the word "soul" xD
so while a archdemon can only be killed by a warden, these magisters cannot?
so that must meant that the architect will come back somehow.
Conductor (Dumat) (1st Blight)
The Madman of Chaos (Zazikel) (2nd Blight)
Forgewright of the Fire (Tooth) (3rd Blight)
Appraiser of Slavery (Andoral) (4th Blight)
Architect of the Works of Beauty (Urthemiel) (5h Blight)
Augur of Mystery (Razikale)
Watchman of the Night (Lusacan)
I don't know what do you mean by hierarchy? Power? But those titles match the Old Gods.
People believe the darkspawn taint the old gods. But what if that's wrong. The Architect started the the 5th Blight by tainting Urthemiel, which was his old god. What if the only way for an AD to get tainted is through their former priest?
so while a archdemon can only be killed by a warden, these magisters cannot?
so that must meant that the architect will come back somehow.
I kind of hope that this is the case.
There's a lot we don't know about Blights and the taint in general. Solas expresses skepticism to Blackwall that killing all the Archdemons will end the Blights, for example. And I have a suspicion that he would know.
There's a lot we don't know about Blights and the taint in general. Solas expresses skepticism to Blackwall that killing all the Archdemons will end the Blights, for example. And I have a suspicion that he would know.
Another possibility, Bioware is Chris Cartering the hell out of the DA series.
People believe the darkspawn taint the old gods. But what if that's wrong. The Architect started the the 5th Blight by tainting Urthemiel, which was his old god. What if the only way for an AD to get tainted is through their former priest?
Another possibility, Bioware is Chris Cartering the hell out of the DA series.
You'll have to explain this one.
I know who Chris Carter is, but I didn't understand the reference either.
We knew he was one of the magister, but not who god he followed.
Everything the Chantry says about the creation of the Darkspawn is true (the only thing that might be wrong is the golden city), I wonder how they knew about them.
According to the canticle, there were one hundred acolytes helping them perform the rituals. One repented and told the Archon what they were trying to do.
Sidereal is a real word. It means "with respect to the stars/constellations". So I'm thinking these Magisters Sidereal are the heads of the group responsible for the Astrariums (Astraria?).
So the Magisters Sidereal were all about the constellations (many of which represent Old Gods) and the stars. Wait! Now I see it! The Old Gods came from the stars!
I am completely aware that Sidereal is a word. Doesn't take away anything from what I said. I can do the dirty Meme Shame too.
The left image is from Mass Effect 3 Leviathan DLC, the right is from Honnleath for getting Shale; Dragon Age Origins DLC Stone Prisoner. Last time I posted such a picture the thread was quickly locked by Allan Schumacher himself. Given talk of the VOID and Krogan heads lining hunters walls as easter eggs we can't rule out some cross-title fun. Sort of like kittens with shark-teeth existing in the wilds of our imaginations. It's FUN KIDS! Snarky is really a language all it's own. Makes the forums truly difficult to enjoy at times though. Having literal minds when it comes to games written by 'old school' D&D players is really like having snow shoes instead of water ski's, it just doesn't work all of the time, if at all.
I know who Chris Carter is, but I didn't understand the reference either.
Isn't Chris Carter the guy behind X-files? Which I believe there is a trope on Tvtrope called the Chris Carter effect.
Another possibility, Bioware is Chris Cartering the hell out of the DA series.
Believe. The TRUTH is OUT THERE!
But it really is. We are being mislead to question the narrowed scopes of the points of view in the game; from Chantry perspective, Elven lore and even dwarven legend. Somewhere in all of that mix is enough information to make a clear path backwards and forwards. It isn't conspiracy just literature.
"The High Priest, Conductor of the Choir of Silence ruled
Above all the Dreamers of the Imperium. Wisest
And most powerful of the Magisters Sidereal
In his dreams, he alone heard the voice of Silence
The Magisters Sidereal were the group of 7 high priests of the Old Gods within the Magisterium"
Conductor of the Choir; could suggest creator of the SONG Warden's/Darkspawn hear.
But let's rewrite this a bit. "The High Priest (who happens to be Conductor of the Choir) ruled above ALL Dreamers. Wisest and most powerful of the Magisters Siderael (Sidereal could be "real side" meaning the place Dreamer's meet/go.) in his dreams. He alone heard the Voice."
Nah I don't think Sidereal refers to the place Dreamers go. A footnote explicitly says that the Magisters Sidereal is the name of the group. Sidereal means "related to stars/constellations." As we know from DAI's astrariums, the Old Gods were associated with constellations. So I think the name "Magisters Sidereal" is just another title that refers to the relation to the Old Gods.
Pure speculation: To me the whole event seems kinda Dread-Wolfy. Tricking each priest into this ritual by taking advantage of their ambitions and jealousy seems right up his alley. But I can't completely consider the thought because I can't imagine a clear motivation behind such a plan.
People believe the darkspawn taint the old gods. But what if that's wrong. The Architect started the the 5th Blight by tainting Urthemiel, which was his old god. What if the only way for an AD to get tainted is through their former priest?
This would mean Corypheus himself unleashed the first Blight on his beloved Imperium. On the one hand, it's deliciously ironic, on the other hand wouldn't he remember something like that and not wonder, when he wakes, why he can't hear Dumat anymore?
Or maybe the proto-Wardens captured him before Archdemon!Dumat fell, and used Corypheus to design the Joining somehow?
This would mean Corypheus himself unleashed the first Blight on his beloved Imperium. On the one hand, it's deliciously ironic, on the other hand wouldn't he remember something like that and not wonder, when he wakes, why he can't hear Dumat anymore?
Or maybe the proto-Wardens captured him before Archdemon!Dumat fell, and used Corypheus to design the Joining somehow?
No, the codex claims he was discovered leading portions of the horde after the Archdemon's death and that was when he Wardens captured him.
http://dragonage.wik..._to_the_Wardens
Do not forget that when he is awakened, he has no notion that the Imperium had fallen. And the Architect, if he can be believed, also was not aware of his past.
The minds of the Ancient Magisters are, clearly, prone to confusion. Likely a result of both the Taint and being over a thousand years old.
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