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[ZipZap2000]

The logistics of having a fleet that can challenge the output of entire species' legitimate militaries simply makes no sense. Even if you explain it via Cerberus's supposed legitimate front companies, it takes a massive economy to pay for it and thousands if not hundreds of thousands of involved in procurement, financing, shipbuilding and bookeeping to just disappear, all have inhuman loyalty, or other means of literally never asking questions that hundreds of military ships are simply disappearing. Is everyone who works in the human shipbuilding industry a goddamn Cerberus sleeper agent, and everyone in the military an incompetent who can just explain away thousands of procured warships simply disappearing?

 

This and that little bit when you unshackle EDI and find out straight from the horses mouth that the Lazarus cell (the normandy crew) is the largest cell in Cerberus.  

 

"Cerberus consists of 150 operatives organised into three cells." - EDI 

 

They go from that to kidnapping entire colonies with their fleets to indoctrinate them with Reaper tech. 

[God]

It took them two years to build a frigate

 

Said Frigate was also very highly advanced and made from material not created before. It is arguably the most advanced ship in the galaxy at this point.

[ZipZap2000]

I don't know if shipbuilding would qualify as an actual cell though. It could be one of the many corporations that are proxies for Cerberus. The cells just struck me as mostly scientific and military related. All of the shenanigans you see in ME1 basically

 

So the crews and pilots all came from where? The info is from 2185 so it is only 1 year old by ME3 no way they took them from the Alliance without raising eyebrows and you couldn't train them all in 1 year alone. She also goes on to describe their income as well and it wouldn't come close to being able to support themselves, nothing more than a few billion and it cost 4 billion to rebuild shepard and the normandy. 

 

They were in no position to expand into tens of thousands by 2186. 

[Costin_Razvan]

 So the crews and pilots all came from where? The info is from 2185 so it is only 1 year old by ME3 no way they took them from the Alliance without raising eyebrows and you couldn't train them all in 1 year alone.

The General in the Omega DLC could have provided the man if they all went rogue, besides the Alliance knew they were preparing ships but there's jack they could when Cerberus is in the Terminus.

 

They do have a Shipyard as I pointed out and access to a large amount of old ships. Refurbishing the old ones would be a very viable way of doing things.
 

 

 

 "Cerberus consists of 150 operatives organised into three cells." - EDI  

That's contradicted in ME2 itself by the number of people present in the Overlord DLC. There's a hell lot more dead Cerberus members there then the crew of the Normandy.

 

Operatives might just be higher ranking members like Jacob and Miranda but there's no way that's the entire organization.
 

[von uber]

Don't the salarians and quarians have newer stealth ships than the sr2?

[God]

Debatable, at least in the case of the Salarians. Having so much exposition through text rather than actual acknowledgement in the game makes things rather suspect. 

 

The Quarians are advanced, but I don't think that they're going to have the resources to pull off more than a handful of stealth ships (if that).

 

On either end, we're not given any indication of what the capabilities of their ships and what they have that the Normandy doesn't.

 

Plus, I prefer that we have the most advanced ship in the galaxy. With EDI onboard, I think we're also going to have the better EWS in the galaxy.

[Iakus]

The salarians have stealth dreadnoughts

[von uber]

Well we know about the Quarian envoy ship:

 

This diplomatic frigate is like no quarian ship on record. Its hull is relatively low temperature and it appears to be venting heat in a manner similar to that of the Normandy when it comes out of stealth mode. How the quarians developed this high-tech vessel is unknown, but its hailing frequencies are open and welcoming messages are being tightbeamed to the Normandy.

 

And the Salarians:

 

The salarian navy accepts nothing less than bleeding-edge technology in every single vessel. Military observers were puzzled and not a little suspicious when the salarians slowed down dreadnought production, building fewer ships than legally permitted under the Treaty of Farixen. The answer lies in the complexity of their construction. Acting on orders from Sur'Kesh, STG agents procured schematics of the SSV Normandy's stealth systems and the algorithms behind the Normandy SR-2's Reaper IFF signal. Months of research yielded something previously unthinkable--dreadnoughts with stealth capabilities. The salarians expect the Reapers to break through the dreadnought's electronic countermeasures eventually, but until then, they have a crucial advantage against their monstrous enemies.

[God]

The salarians have stealth dreadnoughts

 

And the Normandy has EDI. I maintain that the Normandy is more advanced than the Salarian stealth dreadnoughts.

 

And more powerful, pound for pound. I'd wager dreadnoughts are the most overrated craft in the galaxy. Carriers are where it's at.

 

Honestly, I'd put the Normandy up against any non-Reaper ship in the galaxy and expect it to win.

[CrutchCricket]

Honestly, I'd put the Normandy up against any non-Reaper ship in the galaxy and expect it to win.

Any non-Sovereign class, even.

 

A fully upgraded Normandy with Joker piloting, EDI running cyberwarfare and Shepard in command may be able to dance around a destroyer long enough to cripple and kill it. Especially with the Reapers' proven blindness to it

[X Equestris]

Count them in the cinematics and game. There's 1 at Omega, 1 that Aria stole, 1 that is attacking the Biotic facility, 3 on Tuchanka and about 5-6 defending the Cerberus HQ.
 
As to how Cerberus got 12 cruisers. Well they did afford building the Normandy and that's a very advanced ship and also bringing Shepard from the dead. Keep in mind they had a Shipyard in ME2.

Building a number of cruisers in a year and/or salvaging derelict ships is very doable. Keep in mind that in the Terminus they have an entire junkyard of old military ships: The bloody quarians got their hands on DREADNOUGHT guns from that place.

There's more than one Cerberus cruiser at Omega. I counted at least four.

[Iakus]

Any non-Sovereign class, even.

 

A fully upgraded Normandy with Joker piloting, EDI running cyberwarfare and Shepard in command may be able to dance around a destroyer long enough to cripple and kill it. Especially with the Reapers' proven blindness to it

Rannoch Reaper disagrees. 

[God]

Rannoch Reaper disagrees. 

 

And Rannoch Reaper got screwed. Normandy didn't take crap.

[CrutchCricket]

Rannoch Reaper disagrees. 

Taking potshots from space with mostly non-Thannix weaponry doesn't make for a good demonstration.

[Vazgen]

Speaking of Rannoch Reaper, Traynor mentions it shot at them a few times. So that Destroyer can see it but Harbinger can't  

[X Equestris]

Speaking of Rannoch Reaper, Traynor mentions it shot at them a few times. So that Destroyer can see it but Harbinger can't

At the start of the boss battle it shoots up at the sky at least once.

[Iakus]

Taking potshots from space with mostly non-Thannix weaponry doesn't make for a good demonstration.

Sure it does, the Reaper had to redirect energy from its barriers to lower its mass to function on the planet's surface, after all.

 

Notto mention it was taking fire from hundreds of ships firing at ti simultaneously.  Including the Normandy.

[themikefest]

Notto mention it was taking fire from hundreds of ships firing at ti simultaneously.  Including the Normandy.

Only 5 maybe 6 ships fired at the thing.

All the reaper had to do was fire its beam horizontally at Shepard leading to game over. Reapers win

[Vazgen]

Only 5 maybe 6 ships fired at the thing.

All the reaper had to do was fire its beam horizontally at Shepard leading to game over. Reapers win

Compared to Harbinger's pinpoint accuracy Destroyer aim sucks

[CrutchCricket]

Sure it does, the Reaper had to redirect energy from its barriers to lower its mass to function on the planet's surface, after all.

From the clunky way it moved, I don't think it lowered much mass. And barriers/shields, even Reaper ones are just about useless when it comes to Thannix fire.
 

Compared to Harbinger's pinpoint accuracy Destroyer aim sucks

Destroyers in general suck. One was taken down by a worm.

[txgoldrush]

Pay attention: The Rannoch Destroyer fires on the Normandy because the Normandy first, fires on the Destroyer, therefore, it gave itself away.

[God]

Do you really have to use such condescending language as in 'pay attention'?

 

It doesn't make you look smart, it makes you look like a jerk.