Cerberus' Army and Fleets would be more believable if Shepard was out of commission for a couple of years instead of six months and/or a large chunk of the Alliance defected because they were fed up with Parliament's attempts at appeasement or something.
Shepard WAS out of commission for a couple of years....and the codex entry is from Mass Effect 2.
Shepard WAS out of commission for a couple of years....and the codex entry is from Mass Effect 2.
I'm talking about Shepard's imprisonment by the Alliance Herr Know-it-all.
You are still missing the point.
The codex entry PROVES that the Alliance knows that Cerberus is indeed building up. You keep insisting to no avail that is a throwaway but it is not.
The codex is actually part of the narrative, not just an explanation of the narrative in the series. It is told from an Alliance point of view (which can be odd for ME2).
The evidence says that yes, Bioware indeed did account and foreshadow a Cerberus fleet in Mass Effect 3 before Mass Effect 3. Its clear as day. To say otherwise is dishonesty.
And even speculation and hypothesis from characters and sources can be foreshadowing (not this case, but do read the Keeper codex in ME1).
I'm missing no point:
My point is that the Codex entry proves NOTHING. It does not prove that the alliance knows that Cerberus is building up anything. Indeed, there is no evidence that Cerberus is building up anything at all. As of Mass Effect Retribution, Cerberus has been dealt a critical blow by the Turians.
This is later retconned, without any explanation from BW. I'm not a fan of unannounced, unwanted, and unjustified retcons. It lacks internal consistency. And it makes me question their writing practices and capability.
The evidence that you say proves BW knew what they were doing does not exist. You are the only person making this claim. And in light of evidence against said claim, it is for good reason.
It makes me claim not only BW's credibility, but your credibility. Not only your credibility, but your capability, and indeed, even your attachment to sanity. And you do this routinely enough that I am fairly certain that you very likely have some kind of condition, disorder, or disability.
Speculation can indeed be foreshadowing. But there was literally no other event prior to the sudden change in characterization (that I suspect came from the change in leadership and writing at BW) where this was built upon or backed up. Foreshadowing is meant to be a lot more direct and visible and discernible than one line of ambiguous text in a codex entry that has no support or reinforcement anywhere else in the media. Thus, I directly deny the statement's purpose as foreshadowing. I directly and completely deny your claim's veracity.
And if that makes me dishonest in your eyes, I'm prepared to live with that. I'm quite certain that in this case, nearly everyone else shares my perspective that this line of text is meaningless. And I think they're with me when I say that you're trying too hard.
A lot of madmen think they're genius and brilliant. You're no exception.
My point is that the Codex entry proves NOTHING. It does not prove that the alliance knows that Cerberus is building up anything. Indeed, there is no evidence that Cerberus is building up anything at all. As of Mass Effect Retribution, Cerberus has been dealt a critical blow by the Turians.
I haven't read Retribution, just how critical of a blow are we talking here?
TIM is running and gunning for his life, being chased by Turian soldiers that are within sight of him.
They destroy one of his space stations, and take out operations all across the galaxy. TIM outright states that Cerberus has been set-back at least a decade.
TIM is running and gunning for his life, being chased by Turian soldiers that are within sight of him.
They destroy one of his space stations, and take out operations all across the galaxy. TIM outright states that Cerberus has been set-back at least a decade.
See that's where you are wrong. It's borderline explicit in the ME2 Codex entry that TIM was stockpiling space stations and decades.
I haven't read Retribution, just how critical of a blow are we talking here?
severe, but not crippling.
I'm missing no point:
My point is that the Codex entry proves NOTHING. It does not prove that the alliance knows that Cerberus is building up anything. Indeed, there is no evidence that Cerberus is building up anything at all. As of Mass Effect Retribution, Cerberus has been dealt a critical blow by the Turians.
This is later retconned, without any explanation from BW. I'm not a fan of unannounced, unwanted, and unjustified retcons. It lacks internal consistency. And it makes me question their writing practices and capability.
The evidence that you say proves BW knew what they were doing does not exist. You are the only person making this claim. And in light of evidence against said claim, it is for good reason.
It makes me claim not only BW's credibility, but your credibility. Not only your credibility, but your capability, and indeed, even your attachment to sanity. And you do this routinely enough that I am fairly certain that you very likely have some kind of condition, disorder, or disability.
Speculation can indeed be foreshadowing. But there was literally no other event prior to the sudden change in characterization (that I suspect came from the change in leadership and writing at BW) where this was built upon or backed up. Foreshadowing is meant to be a lot more direct and visible and discernible than one line of ambiguous text in a codex entry that has no support or reinforcement anywhere else in the media. Thus, I directly deny the statement's purpose as foreshadowing. I directly and completely deny your claim's veracity.
And if that makes me dishonest in your eyes, I'm prepared to live with that. I'm quite certain that in this case, nearly everyone else shares my perspective that this line of text is meaningless. And I think they're with me when I say that you're trying too hard.
A lot of madmen think they're genius and brilliant. You're no exception.
Yes it in fact does.
How is this?
Because the Codex is written or is put in perspective by the Alliance. Do you not get this?
I'm talking about Shepard's imprisonment by the Alliance Herr Know-it-all.
Yet, the codex is from ME2, which means they were building before ME2, not ME3.
TIM is running and gunning for his life, being chased by Turian soldiers that are within sight of him.
They destroy one of his space stations, and take out operations all across the galaxy.
You would think that would compromise Cerberus' weapons manufacturing, shipbuilding, and command and control facilities, but nope.
They have a well equipped shock army, a superior fleet to the Alliance, and are led by apparently competent tacticians.
Fine BioWare storytelling.
See that's where you are wrong. It's borderline explicit in the ME2 Codex entry that TIM was stockpiling space stations and decades.
and even if he was right, the research past the Omega 4 relay helps Cerberus recover.
You would think that would compromise Cerberus' weapons manufacturing, shipbuilding, and command and control facilities, but nope.
They have a well equipped shock army, a superior fleet to the Alliance, and are led by apparently competent tacticians.
Fine, BioWare storytelling.
Once again, HOW IS CERBERUS'S FLEET SUPERIOR TO THE ALLIANCE???? I don't mean superior ships, I mean superior overall fleet, which is pretty ludicrous.
Its not. The Alliance fleet is FAR bigger, even with the Reapers depleting their numbers.
Once again, HOW IS CERBERUS'S FLEET SUPERIOR TO THE ALLIANCE???? I don't mean superior ships, I mean superior overall fleet, which is pretty ludicrous.
I meant superior ships, don't give yourself an aneurysm.
I meant superior ships, don't give yourself an aneurysm.
which is plausible......see the SR-2
See that's where you are wrong. It's borderline explicit in the ME2 Codex entry that TIM was stockpiling space stations and decades.
How am I wrong? Mass Effect Retribution takes place after ME2.
I'm telling you the events of the novel. The events of the novel explicitly mention that Cerberus was dealt a very serious blow from the Turians.
You would think that would compromise Cerberus' weapons manufacturing, shipbuilding, and command and control facilities, but nope.
They have a well equipped shock army, a superior fleet to the Alliance, and are led by apparently competent tacticians.
Fine BioWare storytelling.
Indeed.
BW storytelling at its proverbial finest. Ironically.
How am I wrong? Mass Effect Retribution takes place after ME2.
I'm telling you the events of the novel. The events of the novel explicitly mention that Cerberus was dealt a very serious blow from the Turians.
Serious blows do not mean defeat. Does not mean their fleet capabilities were destroyed.
Pearl Harbor and the fall of France in WWII were serious blows.
and even if he was right, the research past the Omega 4 relay helps Cerberus recover.
In 6 months? That's almost no time to implement so many changes and rebuild an entire organization to a point where they're stronger than they were after nearly 30 years of positioning and preparing.
I think the answer is rather available: Bioware retconned, hand-waived, and ass-pulled Cerberus into their state in ME3.
Inconsistent, "quality" writing right there.
How am I wrong? Mass Effect Retribution takes place after ME2.
I'm telling you the events of the novel. The events of the novel explicitly mention that Cerberus was dealt a very serious blow from the Turians.
Sorry, I was being facetious.
I'm amused and/or terrified that this thread is still going.
In 6 months? That's almost no time to implement so many changes and rebuild an entire organization to a point where they're stronger than they were after nearly 30 years of positioning and preparing.
I think the answer is rather available: Bioware retconned, hand-waived, and ass-pulled Cerberus into their state in ME3.
Inconsistent, "quality" writing right there.
Not to mention that if the station was blown up TIM would have to find and glue all those pieces back together. I'm not an expert in galactic core salvaging but that seems like something which could take a while.
Serious blows do not mean defeat. Does not mean their fleet capabilities were destroyed.
Pearl Harbor and the fall of France in WWII were serious blows.
And the Fall of France was indeed the defeat of France in WWII.
And yes, serious blows doesn't equal defeat. However, it does not equal rebuilding of all Cerberus assets in 6 months to a point where their assets are greater and superior (after 6 months) than they were in the previous 30 years of building and stockpiling.
You don't go from nothing to everything in 6 months. It just does not happen.
And the Fall of France was indeed the defeat of France in WWII.
And yes, serious blows doesn't equal defeat. However, it does not equal rebuilding of all Cerberus assets in 6 months to a point where their assets are greater and superior (after 6 months) than they were in the previous 30 years of building and stockpiling.
You don't go from nothing to everything in 6 months. It just does not happen.
Unless the means to rebound is beyond a key relay.
And the blows in Retribution, while damaging, are far from fatal.
Yes it in fact does.
How is this?
Because the Codex is written or is put in perspective by the Alliance. Do you not get this?
No, in fact, it doesn't. Saying that it does in fact happen does not mean that it does in fact happens. You have to demonstrate how it happens. Which, you have completely failed to do.
How is this?
The Codex written by the alliance has nothing to do with the narrative foreshadowing or internal writing of BW. As well, you're looking at once biased source that is speculating. You're basing a conclusion off of someone else's speculation. That damages your claim even more. There is no plausible premise at this point.
You're just arguing to argue.
Their fighters are definitely unmanned.
Which is why the Advanced Fighter Squadron you obtain from Noveria are piloted craft. Because they're unmanned.
No, in fact, it doesn't. Saying that it does in fact happen does not mean that it does in fact happens. You have to demonstrate how it happens. Which, you have completely failed to do.
How is this?
The Codex written by the alliance has nothing to do with the narrative foreshadowing or internal writing of BW. As well, you're looking at once biased source that is speculating. You're basing a conclusion off of someone else's speculation. That damages your claim even more. There is no plausible premise at this point.
You're just arguing to argue.
No, its simply you.
You are accusing me of doing what you are now doing with the Retribution novel.
And WRONG AGAIN, read the statement I just put in bold in my OP again. Tell me, where is the actual speculation? Its not the build up.
Which is why the Advanced Fighter Squadron you obtain from Noveria are piloted craft. Because they're unmanned.
But Cerberus HQ gives the impression that they are unmanned. There should be a pilot jumping out a soon as his fighter was turned backwards,
Unless the means to rebound is beyond a key relay.
And the blows in Retribution, while damaging, are far from fatal.
Unless there's a Star Forge beyond said key relay (which may lead to a massive junkyard depending on your choice, so it's not a valid point), there are no means of 'great resilience and rebound' beyond the key relay.
The blows in Retribution, while not fatal, are indeed extremely damaging: The only way that Cerberus would be able to bring themselves back from such a setback is by author intervention.
And that is exactly what happened in ME3 related media.
And it is not good writing. In fact, it's a sign of immature and underdeveloped storytelling.
But Cerberus HQ gives the impression that they are unmanned. There should be a pilot jumping out a soon as his fighter was turned backwards,
There is no impression here. What you think should happen, and what did happen, are two different things.
As well, if there was no pilot, why would Cerberus go through the effort of building a cockpit on the ship?
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