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[KrrKs]

Cerberus personal numbers in ME3 don't bother anyone. BUT these started to grow only after ME2, so in about 6 months +time unitl the attack on Chronos.

Cerberus had significantly less employees (and outsourced workers) before that.

How and for what should they procure dozens or even hundrets of cruisers, mechs, facilities, and equipment for//needing personal that they don't (yet) possess?

->They could not even know that there is the possibility to mook'erize civilians before taking a look at the collector base!

[GreyLycanTrope]

Do you not even pay attention to the narrative?

 

First off, its explained all throughout ME3 how they get their army, through Reaper implants on first volunteers, than abductees and refugees. Thats a major part of the Cerberus arc. Second, they are a force that strikes fast and quickly, but do not have the numbers. In fact, on Eden Prime, two big datapads...

 

"We've taken more able-bodied men and women from pacified neighborhoods. The colonists generally have accepted the story that they have gone to perform tedious but safe manual labor in a Cerberus research camp on the other side of the planet, and when we increased food rations as "payment for the work", most of the complaints died out.

Maintain the story as long as possible. We don't have the manpower to fight the entire colony, and if these families knew they were never going to see their sons and daughters again, there's no way they'd cooperate. "

 

and this.....

 

"Local resistance is heavy in the south and west sections of the colony. We've pulled most of our troops from the north neighborhoods to assist. All remaining troops in the north neighborhood: continue standard patrol activities to maintain the illusion of a large presence in that area. If the locals knew we were understaffed, they could do some serious damage."

 

So Cerberus does not have as many troops as you think. Why on Omega do they have to use force fields to keep the populace at bay? Also why do Cerberus troops flee when the coup is stopped? Simply put, they don't have the numbers. They have an illusion of a large, powerful presence.

 

Next, Kai Leng didn't just drop in on Thessia, he was there all along. Pay attention to the narrative.

 

And finally, Cerberus's increasing numbers ARE justifiable due to the horrors of Sanctuary. 

 

Face it, Cerberus is all about superior intelligence, and light and fast strikes. They do not do so well holding territory or head to head combat against large forces.

You realize the descriptions on those data pads is limited to the situation on Eden Prime specifically right?

 

They've enough manpower to occupy several colonies yet still have enough people to continually launch attacks to try and recapture/restaff fallen bases and launch attacks on strategic alliance installations. Not to mention enough reserves to try and launch riskier and more sizable attacks on Tuchanka, Sur'Kesh, the Citadel and let's not forget the army they send to take out Jacob and the defecting scientists.

 

The number of troops they're able to deploy at any given point seems to vary depending on what's convenient for the writers of the specific mission or event.

[God]

You realize the descriptions on those data pads is limited to the situation on Eden Prime specifically right?

 

They've enough manpower to occupy several colonies yet still have enough people to continually launch attacks to try and recapture/restaff fallen bases and launch attacks on strategic alliance installations. Not to mention enough a reserve to try and launch riskier and more sizable attacks on Tuchanka, Sur'Kesh, the Citadel and let's not forget the army they send to take out Jacob and the defecting scientists.

 

The number of troops they're able to deploy at any given point seems to vary depending on what's convenient for the writers of the specific mission or event.

 

In txgoldrush's mind:

 

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[Steelcan]

You realize the descriptions on those data pads is limited to the situation on Eden Prime specifically right?

 

They've enough manpower to occupy several colonies yet still have enough people to continually launch attacks to try and recapture/restaff fallen bases and launch attacks on strategic alliance installations. Not to mention enough a reserve to try and launch riskier and more sizable attacks on Tuchanka, Sur'Kesh, the Citadel and let's not forget the army they send to take out Jacob and the defecting scientists.

 

The number of troops they're able to deploy at any given point seems to vary depending on what's convenient for the writers of the specific mission or event.

furthermore, Sanctuary doesn't work as a defense, unless an organization hounded by the Turians and essentially on the run is able to set up such a massive installation with no one noticing that its Cerberus.

[Iakus]

furthermore, Sanctuary doesn't work as a defense, unless an organization hounded by the Turians and essentially on the run is able to set up such a massive installation with no one noticing that its Cerberus.

Well to be fair, this time they weren't putting their logo all over Horizon 

[Iakus]

If I recall correctly, Sanctuary has a big Alliance logo... and Alliance shuttles. While they hid all the Cerberus crap underwater.

Yeah, but the SR2 had a Cerberus logo plastered all over it.

 

Miranda and Jacob walked around in Cerberus-brand thermal underwear.

 

Etc  

[God]

Yeah, but the SR2 had a Cerberus logo plastered all over it.

 

Miranda and Jacob walked around in Cerberus-brand thermal underwear.

 

Etc  

 

I have talked about this before.

 

Prior to ME3, it's very likely that Cerberus logo was either unknown to the galaxy at large, or (more likely) viewed as the logo for one of Cerberus' legitimate front corporations.

 

People simply didn't know that the logo was meant for Cerberus, save people who are seriously in the know.

[o Ventus]

Well to be fair, this time they weren't putting their logo all over Horizon 

No, but they did plaster it over literally everything else they had. Even their logos had logos.

[o Ventus]

I have talked about this before.

 

Prior to ME3, it's very likely that Cerberus logo was either unknown to the galaxy at large, or (more likely) viewed as the logo for one of Cerberus' legitimate front corporations.

 

People simply didn't know that the logo was meant for Cerberus, save people who are seriously in the know.

 

According to the Art of the Mass Effect Universe book (it's an art book, so it might not be the strictest canon), the Cerberus logo actually IS also a symbol for a corporation (I'm guessing one of their fronts, though the book doesn't say). I don't have the book on me or I would find which company it is.

[Iakus]

According to the Art of the Mass Effect Universe book (it's an art book, so it might not be the strictest canon), the Cerberus logo actually IS also a symbol for a corporation (I'm guessing one of their fronts, though the book doesn't say). I don't have the book on me or I would find which company it is.

Cord-Hilsop.

 

And it's totally unknown.

 

Except for the quarians, of course.

 

 

And it totally makes sense to stir up some confusion in case someone mistakes Kai Leng for a Cord-Hilsop executive 

[von uber]

That makes no sense. The council know shephard is working for cerberus; they see the ship she arrives in with the logo on it (including the fact that miranda and Jacob have it plastered on their uniforms ). It wouldn't take a genius to put two and two together.

But then this is mass effect and intelligent people? We have dismissed those claims.

[o Ventus]

That makes no sense. The council know shephard is working for cerberus; they see the ship she arrives in with the logo on it (including the fact that miranda and Jacob have it plastered on their uniforms ). It wouldn't take a genius to put two and two together.

But then this is mass effect and intelligent people? We have dismissed those claims.

 

The Council is one thing. Average Joe the Dockworker or whoever might not know them just based off the logo.

[Display Name Owner]

According to the Art of the Mass Effect Universe book (it's an art book, so it might not be the strictest canon), the Cerberus logo actually IS also a symbol for a corporation (I'm guessing one of their fronts, though the book doesn't say). I don't have the book on me or I would find which company it is.

 

That's kind of counter-productive for a "secretive" agency to do though. I mean, as soon as one person figures out that Cord-Hislop (I think that's the one) has had a presence at every single discovered Cerberus job (which anyone in-the-loop who sees the SR-2 would've done), C-H loses all face as a legitimate thing, which defeats the whole purpose of them being a legitimate front, and then everyone and everything with a Cord-Hislop logo on them gets instantly identified as a Cerberus goon/vessel/facility.

 

So if that's true TIM really doesn't know what he's doing.

[von uber]

The Council is one thing. Average Joe the Dockworker or whoever might not know them just based off the logo.

 

Not the point. They are an illegal organisation docking at the headquarters of the galatic governemnt. The fact they are not impounded form the get-go is ridiculous.

[o Ventus]

Not the point. They are an illegal organisation docking at the headquarters of the galatic governemnt. The fact they are not impounded form the get-go is ridiculous.

Circa ME2, nobody else knew what Cerberus was doing, only they did.

[Quarian Master Race]

lol this thread's still going


10/10 txgoldrush. 

[von uber]

Circa ME2, nobody else knew what Cerberus was doing, only they did.

 

From the ME2 codex: "Branded a terrorist and seditionist organization by authorities, Cerberus is the only human power base other than the Terra Firma Party strong enough to embarrass - if not threaten - the Council and its human representatives."

 

They knew it is a terrorist organisation, knew Shep was with them, knew the people on the ship were working for a terrorist organsiation (in before Massively bleats about them not being terrorists - in the eyes of the Council they are) and have a bloody kep iece of Cerberus docked in the Citadel.

 

It defies belief that at the very least the ship woul not have been impounded and searched, or Miranda / Jacob arrested. You can even take them right with you to meet Anderson and talk to the Council with them in the background.

Ridiculous.

[o Ventus]

From the ME2 codex: "Branded a terrorist and seditionist organization by authorities, Cerberus is the only human power base other than the Terra Firma Party strong enough to embarrass - if not threaten - the Council and its human representatives."

 

They knew it is a terrorist organisation, knew Shep was with them, knew the people on the ship were working for a terrorist organsiation (in before Massively bleats about them not being terrorists - in the eyes of the Council they are) and have a bloody kep iece of Cerberus docked in the Citadel.

 

It defies belief that at the very least the ship woul not have been impounded and searched, or Miranda / Jacob arrested. You can even take them right with you to meet Anderson and talk to the Council with them in the background.

Ridiculous.

 

They weren't doing anything. And the things they WERE doing, nobody else knew about.

 

Which I stated pretty clearly. You can't just arrest somebody for no good reason. Well, you can, but you'll end up getting fired. Shepard and co. aren't doing anything illegal when they're just walking around on the Citadel going to meet Anderson and the Council.

[von uber]

They weren't doing anything. And the things they WERE doing, nobody else knew about.

 

Which I stated pretty clearly. You can't just arrest somebody for no good reason. Well, you can, but you'll end up getting fired. Shepard and co. aren't doing anything illegal when they're just walking around on the Citadel going to meet Anderson and the Council.

 

Just being a member of the IRA was enough to get you arrested in the UK.

[themikefest]

 The plot demanded that nothing happens to the Normandy and squad when docked at the Citadel

[Display Name Owner]

I always (chose to) believe that the Council were using Shepard's involvement with Cerberus as a means of a) indirectly investigating the Collectors and b ) letting Shep get intel on Cerberus. I just can't accept that they're quite as lazy and inept as the game insists on painting them. They offer Shep Spectre reinstatement, IIRC it's Shep who has the option of stupidly turning them down. It's still the only way for them to keep any tabs on Cerberus activities, which I would think Shep would share with the Alliance aferwards.

 

Not that that intel does any good in stopping Cerberus from having their way with everything everywhere.