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[CommanderShepard115]

I've only recently started playing ME3's multiplayer despite having owned the game for a couple years. I can fight really well against Cerberus troops, I can do alright against the Geth (until we get the objective to kill 4 key targets and they turn out to all be Geth Primes -.-), but I struggle the most against the Reapers. Especially with the Banshees. I can usually handle a Brute or two, but the Banshees give me the most trouble. Other than simply using a rocket launcher, is there something you guys can recommend I do differently to give me a better chance against those vile things? I currently play as an Engineer and that works out okay for the most part. It really helps against the Cerberus troops with the riot shields, because I use the Combat Drone to get them to turn their back to me.

 

Am I the only one who finds the Cerberus troops the easiest to defeat and the Reapers the toughest?

[Black_Mage]

Reapers are tough only because of the Banshees.  The rest of the units are relatively easy to deal with.

 

The easiest way to deal with Banshees is to run away and let your team-mates handle them until you get better weapons.

[Ashevajak]

I'm going to take a wild guess here and say you're not using armor piercing mods and ammo, if you're relying on drones to turn Guardians around for you.

 

Reapers have a lot of armoured units.  You should always have some kind of armour piercing weapon, regardless of faction, but its especially useful against Reapers.

[SirDieAL0t]

on which difficulty you are playing?

 

brz / slv / gld / plt ??

[NuclearTech76]

http://forum.bioware...osses-tutorial/

 

I recommend looking through this where you will understand their specific animations and what they mean. Other than that it would be a really exhaustive post on a lot of things like having armor piercing or sundering powers or ammo, and other core gameplay mechanics. A lot of that is discussed in the multiplayer library. We almost need a tag in there dedicated to newer players where they can access basic information easier where it's not so overwhelming digging through sooo much information.  But in any case it's a great place to improve your knowledge of the game, get some advice on some builds, etc.

[justinman114]

Reaps are da easiest!

[andy_3_913]

Phantoms!

Turrets!

 

Easiest????

 

[TheNightSlasher]

Nah, I think cerberus are the easiest too. Too many things trivialize cerberus.

I think collectors are the hardest simply because they have an answer to every one of our tactics.

[DarkOrgasm]

I've only recently started playing ME3's multiplayer despite having owned the game for a couple years. I can fight really well against Cerberus troops, I can do alright against the Geth (until we get the objective to kill 4 key targets and they turn out to all be Geth Primes -.-), but I struggle the most against the Reapers. Especially with the Banshees. I can usually handle a Brute or two, but the Banshees give me the most trouble. Other than simply using a rocket launcher, is there something you guys can recommend I do differently to give me a better chance against those vile things? I currently play as an Engineer and that works out okay for the most part. It really helps against the Cerberus troops with the riot shields, because I use the Combat Drone to get them to turn their back to me.

 

Am I the only one who finds the Cerberus troops the easiest to defeat and the Reapers the toughest?

Why yes, yes you are

[FasterThanFTL]

Cerberus are the easiest and the hardest at the same time. Easiest if you can deal with Phantoms, hardest if Phantoms give you a lot of trouble.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

As has been mentioned, armour piercing mods make a big difference.

 

They do two things:

 

1 - They allow penetration. Even the smallest amount of penetration will allow you to kill Guardians with any non-projectile weapon (by projectile weapon I'm referring to guns that shoot slow-moving projectiles that you can see travel to the target, like Kishock or Acolyte. Those never benefit from Armour Piercing.)

 

2 - They reduce the effectiveness of the armour protection against the weapon's damage. This will make a big difference against large armoured bullet-sponges like that Banshee.

 

There are a few ways to get this benefit, depending on what you have available in terms of your manifest (which I'm guessing is still on the new side.) I'll list them in order of preference:

 

1 - Armour Piercing Mods for the gun, itself. This allows more freedom to choose other mods/equipment to suit whichever kit you're using. I believe most people usually use an AP mod on a gun, if available.

 

2 - Armour Piercing Ammo. Standard AP ammo comes in ranks I-IV (1-4.) If you're playing on a lower difficulty like Bronze or Silver, conserve your AP III or IV, and just use the first two ranks (you'll thank me later when you make the jump to Gold and have lots of higher ranked ammo saved up.) You also have the option of Drill Ammo, which comes in three ranks. Drill Ammo won't mitigate the armour as much as AP will, but it has big penetration, even at Rank I. Drill Ammo is often a good choice on sniper rifles, especially if they have inherent armour piercing properties, like the Widow/Black Widow or the Javelin.

 

3. Warp Ammo. The reason I list this third is because Warp Ammo has no Piercing. There are certain combinations of kits/powers/guns that benefit so greatly from Warp Ammo that it is considered some of the best ammo in the game. But for your more general purpose of being able to fight multiple enemy types, the lack of piercing is a bit of a liability. In a pinch, Warp will definitely help mitigate Armour, and actually leaves a mitigation debuff that continues for a short window after hitting (your teammates can take advantage of the mitigation for a few seconds after you hit the target.)

 

The last thing I'll add is this video of Stikman explaining a few things about Banshees: Stikman's Banshee Tutorial

[Marksmad is waving goodbye]

Starting out with basic weapons and very little in the way of mods, and no armor piercing ability, Cerberus are actually (relatively) the easiest, and Reapers the hardest. Once one has powerful weapons and loads of piercing ability, Reapers become easiest.

[EnemySpinach]

I felt the same as you, early on. But it wasn't long before that changed.

 

Reapers have the fewest shielded units, the fewest projectile users (guns, biotics, whatever) and are simply only intimidating for the banshees; that ever looming threat of a sudden teleporting insta-kill is daunting. But, once you're used to it, it's far, FAR preferable to being shot at from all sides, or having your powers locked down by Collectors, or trying to escape a group of phantoms only to run straight into Cerberus's OP turrets, etc.

 

The trick with a banshee is to not let up; it's barriers can take a beating, and will regenerate if you do not attack it for a time. As you specified you're using Engineers, I'll point out that Overload does extra damage to barriers, and Incinerate does well against Armor, so you're basically covered. Once you find weapon mods like Armor Piercing, as well as get better guns, your gun will also play a very pivotal role in taking them down faster. You can also use the one time use ammo upgrades like Disruptor or Phasic to delay their barrier regen further if you need to run away for a bit (Say, if you're getting flanked by Marauders while attacking the banshee) but I'd advise against using those on lower difficulties, just to save them for Gold/Platinum.

 

Also, what difficulty are you on? I ask since Silver is basically the equivalent of Single Player's Insanity difficulty, and tone of new players jump right into Gold/Plat thinking they're ready because they beat the single player mode once or twice. Trust me, start slow.

[Creator Limbs]

Yes.

 

The only one in the entire universe. For everything ever.

 

Congratulations.

[MaxCrushmore]

Once you learn the different enemy animations, Reapers become the easiest (especially at the higher difficulties) by a significant amount. Banshee's can be intimidating for a newer player ...

 

Wave 10 Gold Cerberus is IMO the toughest Gold objective wave in the game (especially if you get devices) .. 4 Phantoms all pew pewing at the same time *shudders

[Cyonan]

Armour Piercing is great against Reapers as noted.

 

Since you've just started out you probably need to work on your manifest a bit. You likely don't have the high powered weapons that are great at dealing with armoured targets, or only have them at a low level.

 

 

Also, what difficulty are you on? I ask since Silver is basically the equivalent of Single Player's Insanity difficulty, and tone of new players jump right into Gold/Plat thinking they're ready because they beat the single player mode once or twice. Trust me, start slow.

 

This depends. Stats wise Gold is equal to Insanity, however more Banshees can spawn on a single wave of Gold than in the entire single-player campaign.

[WarChicken78]

Let me add to what the others said.

You said you're playing an Engineer and mentioned the drone, so you're playing a human engineer.

IMO they are the ones being able to deal really well with the Banshees.

 

Of cause Armor penetration is important. So if you have a piercing mod for a weapon, use it.

If you don't have that, yet and you have incedinary rounds or drill rounds, use those.

If you lack those, too, use your Engineer skills (do that anyways) Put a few skillpoints in Overload, and you can strip that barrier off the banshee in a few keypresses.

Afterwards, use incinerate to deal with the armor. threow in an overload after the incinerate to cause a tech explosion, which does some neat damage as well.

 

And most important fighting Banshees: Keep your distance. Banshees often do instant kills if you're in melee range. Also if you are at a distance, her Nova-blast can't reach you and you can quickly dodge away or hide behind cover when she uses that biotic projectile.

 

 

Speaking of Cerberus Guardians - if you have a Armor piercing mod equipped for your weapon, you'll get them downed much easier.Just shoot that shield - they'll not take as much damage as if they turned their backs on you, but they will die sooner or later.

If you have a choice I'd recommend a SMG on that Engineer of yours, since with that, you can also keep pressure on the Phantoms, when they use that shield, that blocks all your tech powers.

 

Speaking of those - if they are coming after you alone, hit them with everything you have. Wait until they shot three times with their palm gun and then use whatever you have - overload, the drone, incinerate and let that smg run hot. When she hunkers down and uses her shield, use the smg - it goes through the shield.

If she cloaks, look closely and continue shooting her with your smg. If she does not use her shield or is not cloaked, do not give her time to breathe. The moment you stop pressuring her, she'll use her damn palm gun and starts leaping at you to instantkill you. If you need to get your shields up or whatever, blast her with tech, so she brings her shield up. That is the time you can run for cover if you must, but if you can, better keep pressure on her, or she might come after you.

 

Edit:

Forgot something - if the goddamn Phantom is accompanied by one or two Dragoons, try and drop them first and do it quickly.

They are armored, so your incinerate and afterwards a tech explosion trigered with overload works wonders against them. But often you simply dont have the time for that. If they are in close proximity already, dodge-roll your butt away. Quickly. And hope, teammates are nearby to assist you against 'em.

 

Hope I was able to help.

[EnemySpinach]

This depends. Stats wise Gold is equal to Insanity, however more Banshees can spawn on a single wave of Gold than in the entire single-player campaign.

Exactly. Gold stats = Insanity stats, but the single player enemy placement and numbers are geared more towards a more standardized experience, while the multiplayer basically goes "lol have some everything." You're not likely to get flanked too much in singleplayer, for example, and of course, the banshees are decently limited. (Sure, both may only have 2 banshees at a time, but like you said, you might get single waves spawning obscene numbers of them if you don't leave them for last, due to how wave budgets work.) As such, Silver in Multiplayer is more like Single Player's insanity, as the lower stats balance out with the enemy placement and numbers.

 

Sorry, I'm half asleep and off my meds, I hope I'm making sense.

[Excella Gionne]

On Platinum, everything has shield penetration. 

[nat in the hat]

Nah, I think cerberus are the easiest too. Too many things trivialize cerberus.

I think collectors are the hardest simply because they are bullshit.

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[PHOEN1XK1NG]

Quit now while you're ahead.  Run far away.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

RNG will kill the good person inside you.

[Ardat-Yakshi Master Race]

Whatever is considered easiest is STRONGLY dependent on the character and class you play... If you are a tech person, geth drop like flies, but reapers are a pain... If you are a biotic, the opposite is true... My huntress for example may as well hide in a corner and let everyone kill for her if geth are involved, BUT to her, collectors are only marginally more difficult than reapers due to both being armor users (and barrier users)... Banshees ARE the most annoying bosses in the game as they are the only enemy that will sync-kill from what is normally a safe range (teleport fondle WTF)

[capn233]

Exactly. Gold stats = Insanity stats

 

They diverged a bit with balance changes.  Enemy HP buffs never made it into the single player difficulty handler.  Slightly converged after the last patch plopped many of the power and weapon (base game) changes into SP.

[Loufi]

Reapers are actually the easiest, by a good margin. But Banshees can be intimidating for new players, yes. Look at the link provided by NuclearTech, it will help you to deal with them.  

[ClydeInTheShell]

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