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[leaguer of one]

 

 

Being able to refer to Krem by other sex pronouns would also have made my day.

 

To answer a question a few posts up, I prefer to do all I can to smack political correctness in the face and knee it in the balls. The more people who fight sickening **** like political correctness the better.

1. You would look like an ass.

2. ...Which your mentality is doing now.

3. ..Which this game is not throwing in your face by having diversity. Understand  that it can only do that by trying to teach you how to deal and accept different people then just having them there.(Krem does not even tr to bring it up.)

[Hazegurl]

My quis just asked "Why  are you passing as a man?" You have to consider the person asking my not know the person asked is trangendered. My fem Adaar just thought Krem was avoiding the grabby hand of other sexist mercs.

My friend assumed the same thing.  I just thought Krem was a butch lesbian until the dialogue popped up, then I was like...oh.

 

 

@Handsome....soooo you just want to be a dick to anyone of a different race, sexuality, et al than you?  Because just them standing in the room is sjw pandering...annnnnnnd if anyone doesn't like it and says something back after you antagonize them, they are destroying your freedom of speech?

[AlanC9]

Yeah, that's pretty much the definition of political correctness.

[Handsome Jack]

My friend assumed the same thing.  I just thought Krem was a butch lesbian until the dialogue popped up, then I was like...oh.

 

 

@Handsome....soooo you just want to be a dick to anyone of a different race, sexuality, et al than you?  Because just them standing in the room is sjw pandering...annnnnnnd if anyone doesn't like it and says something back after you antagonize them, they are destroying your freedom of speech?

 

They're free to say something back, just as I'm free to say something first.

[Meowbeast]

Hah. That's a question I would've asked much less innocently.

 

Being able to refer to Krem by other sex pronouns would also have made my day.

 

To answer a question a few posts up, I prefer to do all I can to smack political correctness in the face and knee it in the balls. The more people who fight sickening **** like political correctness the better.

You're just a bully trying to disguise your bigotry by attacking a strawman you call "political correctness." That you fantasize about the option to discriminate in a videogame says a great deal about you.

[Steelcan]

[Handsome Jack]

You're just a bully trying to disguise your bigotry by attacking a strawman you call "political correctness." That you fantasize about the option to discriminate in a videogame says a great deal about you.

 

[Panda]

They're free to say something back, just as I'm free to say something first.

 

Freedom of speech is not permission for hate speech though. There is social norms that usually prevents people from saying offensive stuff to each other and if those won't work, threat of getting punched usually does. Freedom of speech also has limitations in terms of not threatening others or offending their honour etc. It's not like freedom of speech is permission to say what ever you want without any social consequences.

[AWTEW]

Freedom of speech is not permission for hate speech though. There is social norms that usually prevents people from saying offensive stuff to each other and if those won't work, threat of getting punched usually does. Freedom of speech also has limitations in terms of not threatening others or offending their honour etc. It's not like freedom of speech is permission to say what ever you want without any social consequences.

 

The problem is it's a double edged sword, and some  groups..want to force their laws on the home country. But, I'm not going to go further into it, because I'll be banned.

It's not happen is the us at all.

 

Oh, boy...

 

I'm not going to awnser this either.

 

 

You're just a bully trying to disguise your bigotry by attacking a strawman you call "political correctness." That you fantasize about the option to discriminate in a videogame says a great deal about you.

 

I don't know whether to laugh, or cry..

[Arvaarad]

Krem is a fun dude. What about the casks, chief? We just opened them up. With axes!

I wish there were less qunari

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on the dreadnought

so more of my inquisitors could justify

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saving the Chargers.

Glad to see him getting outside recognition.

[BSpud]

It's a well-defined and established term, and the explicit goal of many Liberal political theorists. Form a culture of imaginary oppression and victimization in order to bring about a revolt for the people, leading to political correctness and the abdication of free speech. As with all forms of Marxism, a small elite wins and we all lose.

 

Like I said--nonsensical.

[Heathen Oxman]

This is exactly why I would never want to be a game designer.  Ostensibly, they're not allowed to have opinions and it's strictly verboten to even dare to express their opinions in the games they create.

 

Even if Bioware is "pandering" to the non-heteronormative set, as a private company, they're permitted to do so.  It's no secret that Bioware is pro-LGBTQ, and if that bothers you, don't give them your money.  It really is that simple.  I can't even begin to wrap my head around the stupidity it takes to demand that a private business cease and desist trying to attract the customer base they're interested in attracting.

 

In my home town, there was a curio shop run by a bunch of Wiccans who displayed a big gay pride flag above their shop door.  Yeah, they "pandered" to homosexual and non-Christian customers.  It was their business, and it was their prerogative who they "pandered" to in a Capitalist society.  People who were offended were free to spend their money elsewhere.  If some silly person wanted to hang around in the store and whine that the business was "pandering" to a group of people they didn't like, they would've been laughed out of the place.

[Fredward]

Off topic here. Do yall just argue 99% of the time or nah?

 

It's the internet. If you don't align yourself with a pole and pull the other group's hair until one or both pass out of sheer exhaustion you're doing something wrong.

[frankf43]

I congratulate BioWare for being on the right side of this issue.

Wow, people are awful.

 

 

This was my thought when I read the article. 

[AlanC9]

The problem is it's a double edged sword, and some groups..want to force their laws on the home country. But, I'm not going to go further into it, because I'll be banned.

Oh, boy...

I'm not going to awnser this either.

I don't know whether to laugh, or cry..

This is pretty weak tea. I know your claim is that the meanies at Bio will ban you if you tell the whole truth -- as we all know, this whole world is a conspiracy against straight white males -- but can't you make some kind of argument?

[Steelcan]

Freedom of speech is not permission for hate speech though. There is social norms that usually prevents people from saying offensive stuff to each other and if those won't work, threat of getting punched usually does. Freedom of speech also has limitations in terms of not threatening others or offending their honour etc. It's not like freedom of speech is permission to say what ever you want without any social consequences.

That varies from country to country, for example, its perfectly legal in the US to be a member of the American Nazi Party and speak your hatred, and as long as you don't incite specific acts of violence you are pretty much in the clear.

[Handsome Jack]

Freedom of speech is not permission for hate speech though. There is social norms that usually prevents people from saying offensive stuff to each other and if those won't work, threat of getting punched usually does. Freedom of speech also has limitations in terms of not threatening others or offending their honour etc. It's not like freedom of speech is permission to say what ever you want without any social consequences.

 

Hate speech is guaranteed under the U.S. Constitution, actually. Social consequence is fine, but every human being should have the right to say what they want without being censored. That includes hate speech against any and all groups. Even if you don't dislike said groups, it's the thought that counts. We're living in an increasingly 1984-esque world. The news media condemns a white student for putting a rope and Confederate flag over a black statue, and he's arrested. However, the news media calls heroes a group of black students who threw their own **** at a white statue, claiming they were "fighting racism", and they were praised. Our world is increasingly losing free speech and succumbing to political correctness, which is more or less the idea minorities are superior to the majority rather than equal. But soon even the minorities won't have free speech. Soon everything'll be censored.

 

If the government can arrest me for insulting a transsexual, what's to stop them from arresting someone else who criticizes a politician or the President?

[Panda]

That varies from country to country, for example, its perfectly legal in the US to be a member of the American Nazi Party and speak your hatred, and as long as you don't incite specific acts of violence you are pretty much in the clear.

 

True, although that doesn't save you from social consequences and other people thinking you are dick.

[Handsome Jack]

True, although that doesn't save you from social consequences and other people thinking you are dick.

 

Not everyone will think you're a dick.

[Paul E Dangerously]

Now if they can only start doing it with a bit more tact and a bit less "goodbye, fourth wall, time to shatter you now".

[AresKeith]

That varies from country to country, for example, its perfectly legal in the US to be a member of the American Nazi Party and speak your hatred, and as long as you don't incite specific acts of violence you are pretty much in the clear.

 

Which is why free speech is a double edged sword sadly

[agonis]

What is so enjoyable about the internet for me:

 

I see some of you writing bull**** and thinking it too, sadly, but thank god, I don´t have to pay attention.

[phantomrachie]

 As with all forms of Marxism, a small elite wins and we all lose. 

 

No, that is not at all what Marxism is, you're thinking of Capitalism, our current system. Where the 1% of the population has most of the wealth.

 

Perhaps you should read Das Kapital instead of regurgitating what you've been told about it. 

 

 

 

It is my place. It's every human's place to say what they choose to. Life is a ******, and people even more-so. Humans are naturally assholes to someone or something. Transsexuals, races, genders, etc. should not be immune to the **** everyone goes through. Transsexuals are not special, blacks are not special, whites are not special, gays are not special, straights are not special, so on and so on. SJWs, especially the self-victimizing ones need to get over themselves. Free speech covers all speech. I will insult and deride at worst, question at best transsexuals or anyone else I choose to, just as they can do to me, and just as they do to others, and just as everyone does from time to time.

 

Bioware including a transsexual character is questionable given the setting, but I could ignore it. However, they shove it in your face and force every character to greatly respect Krem or suffer derision and outcasting otherwise. That's where the problem is.

 

Every human can be equally horrible. Being transsexual does not make you a person worthy of respect nor unworthy. It's your actions, yet Bioware puts the transsexual on a pedestal solely to pander to the SJW ideology, which sees minorities as incapable of wrong and the perceived majority(ies) as universally evil.

 

The issue with this argument is that transsexuals, minorities, gays, etc are targeted and hated because they are one of those things and they receive a disportionate amount of hate.

 

You can say that they are free to deride you too, but their derision of you is nothing like your derision of them. 

 

There are laws in many countries around the world that mean these people are second class citizens in their own country. In the US and many other countries, Gay or Trans panic is a legitimate defense when a straight man kills a gay man or trans woman.

 

You are basically arguing for the ability to pile hate on a group that already receives a disportionate amount of hate.

 

Men are not attacked or killed because they are men, but men & women are attacked a killed because they are gay or transgendered.

[Panda]

Hate speech is guaranteed under the U.S. Constitution, actually. Social consequence is fine, but every human being should have the right to say what they want without being censored. That includes hate speech against any and all groups. Even if you don't dislike said groups, it's the thought that counts. We're living in an increasingly 1984-esque world. The news media condemns a white student for putting a rope and Confederate flag over a black statue, and he's arrested. However, the news media calls heroes a group of black students who threw their own **** at a white statue, claiming they were "fighting racism", and they were praised. Our world is increasingly losing free speech and succumbing to political correctness, which is more or less the idea minorities are superior to the majority rather than equal. But soon even the minorities won't have free speech. Soon everything'll be censored.

 

If the government can arrest me for insulting a transsexual, what's to stop them from arresting someone else who criticizes a politician or the President?

 

I'm not from US so this doesn't apply to me.

 

Free speech doesn't mean that you can say whatever. It has opened doors to criticism and opinion's, especially towards politicans and others in power, cause they couldn't be criticized before and could do whatever, because of that. In any point freedom of speech doesn't mean that everyone can say what they want and promote their messages no matter what they are.

[Lebanese Dude]

Now if they can only start doing it with a bit more tact and a bit less "goodbye, fourth wall, time to shatter you now".

 

I fail to see how the fourth wall was shattered in any way. No need to make everything dramatic, although that's a pretty common theme around here I suppose.

 

You sit down to talk to IB's friends after you instigate that meeting. You have to ask IB to meet his friends. When Krem comes up, you can very easily move on to the next conversation, ignoring the whole dialogue entirely. 

 

Should you investigate and press the issue and talk to Krem, either because of genuine curiosity or the casual obsession with clicking all investigate options when available, you get a story from Krem and IB.

 

Should you ask stupid questions regarding Krem, you naturally get berated by those who like the guy. Is it somehow out of character for IB to be defensive of his group? All of his quests involve an angle of the protective leader.

 

I mean... if you ask an elf why they're not being a servant somewhere, wouldn't that make the elf's friends berate you as well?

 

But of course, if it's a topic related to transgender issues, it's breaking the fourth wall cause obviously transgenders don't exist on Thedas. That it's handled carefully is a result of the careful depiction of underprivileged minorities in media. 

 

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I sincerely hope that they make Maevaris Tilani a party member in the next game, if only to see how people would react to an actual full-time transgender character in the game. The meltdowns.