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[Tootles FTW]

The brothel is called the Herald's Rest.  The staff is limited to The Iron Bull.  No charge.

[Dobby]

This was my biggest disappointment in the entire game, no wh0re house.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

And why not?

You know you want to!

I do. I really do! Lol

I'm actually surprised it hasn't come up yet....

[lynroy]

I do. I really do! Lol

I'm actually surprised it hasn't come up yet....

Little blue pill might help.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Little blue pill might help.

You are the peas to my carrots!

And I don't say that often to people.

[berelinde]

I'm more curious about why the market district is so empty. You'd think you'd see more street vendors selling foodstuffs, cloth, pottery, religious souvenirs, livestock, medicinal preparations of dubious efficacy, etc. Where are the hawkers, the street performers, and the cutpurses? Why aren't there any beggars or wandering drunks?

[Wulfram]

I'm more curious about why the market district is so empty. You'd think you'd see more street vendors selling foodstuffs, cloth, pottery, religious souvenirs, livestock, medicinal preparations of dubious efficacy, etc. Where are the hawkers, the street performers, and the cutpurses? Why aren't there any beggars or wandering drunks?

Performance issues, I expect. Particularly on Old Gen consoles

[ctd757]

I personally think they should have done way more with Val Royeaux. Market district only I think more districts would've been better

[Dragonzzilla]

I wanted to see Val Royeaux's alienage. According to lore, there are ten thousand elves living there and it's not bigger than Denerim's market.

I can imagine them stacked upon each other like pancakes.

[leaguer of one]

That's because you are the brothel...

[leaguer of one]

I wanted to see Val Royeaux's alienage. According to lore, there are ten thousand elves living there and it's not bigger than Denerim's market.

....Mother of god...

[Forsythia77]

Performance issues, I expect. Particularly on Old Gen consoles

If AC Unity is any indication of that, then the same could be said on current gen consoles.  But realistically I would not assume the market in Val Royeaux  would need to be as stuffed as the streets were in that game, nor should it be as empty as it currently is.  It almost feels clinical or sterile with the lack of anything in it.  There has to be a happy medium where there is some realism.  I get that it might be a Tuesday morning that is not as busy as oh say, Saturday at noon.

[berelinde]

I'm more curious about why the market district is so empty. You'd think you'd see more street vendors selling foodstuffs, cloth, pottery, religious souvenirs, livestock, medicinal preparations of dubious efficacy, etc. Where are the hawkers, the street performers, and the cutpurses? Why aren't there any beggars or wandering drunks?

 

 

Performance issues, I expect. Particularly on Old Gen consoles

I'd have an easier time believing that if zones like the Hinterlands didn't have not one but two population-dense areas. Granted, in the Hinterlands, the people in Crossroads and in Redcliffe are mostly standing around doing nothing, but they're still there. Maybe the crowd gathered to watch the execution and the crowd gathered to hear Mother Hevara's speech count toward the total even when they aren't active? You don't have the shoppers and the crowds active at the same time, but if NPCs consume resources even when they're in an inactive state, I can see how that might add up.

[RoughTumble]

Admittedly after getting soaked in brothelalia in the other games with the Pearl and the Blooming Rose, a companion born in a brothel and one or two who worked in brothels I kind of went through brothel withdrawal in DAI.

 

  Good question.  Where's the option for wham bam thank you maam and back to saving the world?

[Nehn]

Why are there no elven slums? It seems we only get part of the city, not everything it has to offer.

[Steve236]

Cause we wouldnt want all the hipsters to give this game a bad press now do we?

[Jaquilinekangas]

I'm kinda sad how Val Royeaux turned out in-game. Don't get me wrong, it looks absolutely stunning, and just how I imagined it. But it's just not alive. The way Leliana described it in Origins, people scurrying about, music streaming from open windows... "and always, floating above that all, the Chant, coming from the Grand Cathedral. It was magnificent." I wanted that. 
 

And yes, a brothel certainly isn't required, and wouldn't "fix" what what missing, but by now it's sort of tradition. 

[Sully13]

Made this thread a few times. it could have been a information center.

[Das Tentakel]

Regarding the empty market area in DA:I, there is a persistent tendency to regard a relative absence of people there as ‘abnormal’ and unrealistic.
However, this isn’t necessarily the case. With the exception of some really large, permanent bazaars (really pre-modern shopping centers), markets are periodic events. Ordinary markets are kept a couple of times each week during a limited part of the day, often just once a week on the same spot. The really big, fancy ‘annual’ markets were held just a few times each year (though these lasted several weeks, rather than a day or so).
 
To illustrate (I took my native city of Deventer as an example, because it was a major trading centre in the medieval and early modern periods and is still a fairly important local commercial / industrial hub):
 
Here’s the Brink, the city’s major market square (probably since the 10th century) during an ordinary weekday:
  

 
And here it is during a market (traditionally held on Friday and Saturday morning)
 

 
In fact, while crowd systems in ‘ancient’ or ‘modern’ videogame cities seem realistic, they really aren’t, except in the case of really large cities with a permanently active commercial centre. They do make it look lively, but a typical village, town or city with anywhere between a few dozen or up to around 100,000 people or more would be pretty empty most of the time. People would be working in the fields, in their store, their workshop, the shipyards etc. etc.
If those 10,000 City Elves in Val Royeaux are, say, 10% of the population this would mean the entire city would be around 100,000 people and that’s pretty much within the ‘sleepy and fairly empty streets most of the time’ category.
 
Having said this, you do NOT want that realistic pattern reflected in your RPG or open world videogame; reality is pretty boring and mundane, even in the case of fairly large premodern cities. You want the illusion of realism, not the fairly humdrum, slow-paced, rather boring reality behind it. And the way to achieve this is to give a believable impression of such a city at its most lively and colourful.
 
Apart from this, I’m with those who feel that one of Val Royeaux’ (alright, the summer bazaar's) biggest problems is its sterility. It’s very clean, despite some attempts to give it a slightly ‘aged’ look, and is as lively as a sleepy Bible Belt village on Sunday.

[Elfyoth]

Isn't Val Royeaux basically Vatican of DA universe, just not independent city-state?

No you just didnst notice that the summerbazzar is on a lake in top of the city. And Antiva city is the Vatican of Thedas

[The Dank Warden]

but... The brothel was like a tradition in DAs

[Malthier]

A great disappointment, completely unacceptable. 

 

Devs, have mercy. Give us a brothel in DLC. 

[Augustei]

Brothels? Scandalous! A good Orlesian has mistresses and affairs.

[BraveVesperia]

I'm more curious about why the market district is so empty. You'd think you'd see more street vendors selling foodstuffs, cloth, pottery, religious souvenirs, livestock, medicinal preparations of dubious efficacy, etc. Where are the hawkers, the street performers, and the cutpurses? Why aren't there any beggars or wandering drunks?

From the looks of it, the market we can visit is for nobility only. Everyone looks posh and everything is clean and fancy. I'd really hope to see these things if we visit a normal market.