More like "It is more difficult to uber-stomp the game with an off-host vanguard than an on-host one" Stompage still happens with the majority of these kits though
IMO, only on really laggy off host scenario's is there an issue.
SRSLY? Even a bit of lag makes the Slayer barely usable. Drell Vanguard starts making the throwing motion, but throws no grenades, which get him killed. That's why PUGS don't play them.
Over rated in what way? You saying they cant kill stuff? They do, but other kits kill just was well, if you have a full manifest. But I think instead of being over rated, kits such as the Infiltrator class shines when a person that can play it very well will usually shine, and that goes for any other class
Infiltrators are rated highly because they deal high damage, and if playing Gold or Platinum, can be part of a good team. But just like the Juggy, not everyone who plays one does it well, and some as you are probably inferring use it as a crutch, instead of learning other classes and rounding out their skill set
Only GI and Harrier TGI have ridiculous damage. Other Infiltrators including the DAI, AIU, SI, QMI, AHI have very high damage but nothing that other classes cannot match or even surpass. The rest of the infiltrators are easily outclassed by other classes. Other than 4 of them their survivability is greatly overrated because they cannot regen their shields while cloaked.
I bet OP spits when they talk.
SRSLY? Even a bit of lag makes the Slayer barely usable. Drell Vanguard starts making the throwing motion, but throws no grenades, which get him killed. That's why PUGS don't play them.
Eh, I play them all off-host. At least then I have an excuse if I don't score first. 
^ As a class I would consider Vanguards to be more powerful than Infiltrators
On host you're absolutely right. Vanguards don't have a clunker in them like the Shadow.
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SRSLY? Even a bit of lag makes the Slayer barely usable. Drell Vanguard starts making the throwing motion, but throws no grenades, which get him killed. That's why PUGS don't play them.
The Slayer is greatly affected off host, the most affected character in the game. Goes from the most (or one of the top few) most powerful kits in the game to avearge.
The Drell Vanguard is an absolute beast off host and almighty "did you just see that" on host. I play the Drell Vanguard all the time off host. And while there can be the odd, rare grenade mis-fire, it is not as bad as you make it sound. A typical pug dies with every kit in the game.
Like I said in my previous post, very laggy off host conditions (which will cause BC / grenade mis fire) can cause problems, but it is rare I experience lag that severe
The Slayer is greatly affected off host, the most affected character in the game. Goes from the most (or one of the top few) most powerful kits in the game to avearge.
The Drell Vanguard is an absolute beast off host and almighty "did you just see that" on host. I play the Drell Vanguard all the time off host. And while there can be the odd, rare grenade mis-fire, it is not as bad as you make it sound. A typical pug dies with every kit in the game.
Like I said in my previous post, very laggy off host conditions (which will cause BC / grenade mis fire) can cause problems, but it is rare I experience lag that severe
Agree it's not even BC, phase disruptor sucks butt on a connection with any lag. It fires slower, hell sometimes doesn't even register damage when it does fire. Dodge is effected and of course BC is effected some as well.
The Slayer is greatly affected off host, the most affected character in the game. Goes from the most (or one of the top few) most powerful kits in the game to avearge.
The Drell Vanguard is an absolute beast off host and almighty "did you just see that" on host. I play the Drell Vanguard all the time off host. And while there can be the odd, rare grenade mis-fire, it is not as bad as you make it sound. A typical pug dies with every kit in the game.
Like I said in my previous post, very laggy off host conditions (which will cause BC / grenade mis fire) can cause problems, but it is rare I experience lag that severe
Well I get lots of EU to US connections. or EU to Russia, China and so on. So my lag can be severe. And Drell dies while in Charge.
Only Vanguards I play frequently off-host are my melee Kroguard, melee Batguard and the Cabal. You may notice all three of these have something in common.
Meanwhile, the only infiltrator I rarely play off-host is the Shadow, who is basically a vanguard anyway.
Agree it's not even BC, phase disruptor sucks butt on a connection with any lag. It fires slower, hell sometimes doesn't even register damage when it does fire. Dodge is effected and of course BC is effected some as well.
.... and then there's the times when you charge an enemy and don't get any shields back. You're dead in the water at that point. The only hope is to try to teleport dodge out of there ASAP. Slayer off-host is awful.
I have no problem playing a non-infiltrator class with three infiltrators as long as they revive me.
Don't know what to tell you guys, I find Vanguards to be super powerful both off host and ofc on host. Are they optimal off host? no, but when they are optimal, they are super powerful.
Maybe I'm just used to compensating for low FPS gameplay (lol PS3)
Drell assassin FTW! Hmm, might take him out for a gold run.
complaining about what other people play in a pug game is way to popular.
To answer the original question...
Don't know what to tell you guys, I find Vanguards to be super powerful both off host and ofc on host. Are they optimal off host, no, but when they are optimal, they are super powerful.
Maybe I'm just used to compensating for low FPS gameplay (lol PS3)
30 FPS does have an impact in CQC. Enemies react slower, so they don't instanly all rail on the closest Vanguard.
In any case. Vanguards can be super powerful even off-host. But you need a lot of head-knowledgeTM and experience playing off host to make them work. While infiltrators only need to know 1 thing: how to push the Cloak button,
I play PS3 and the only problem I have is the servers?
I play PS3 and the only problem I have is the servers?
There are no "servers" per say. You connect to the host which is the lobby leader.
30 FPS does have an impact in CQC. Enemies react slower, so they don't instanly all rail on the closes Vanguard.
In any case. Vanguards can super powerful even off-host. But you need a lot of head-knowledgeTM and experience playing off host to make them work. While infiltrators only need to know 1 thing: how to push the Cloak button,
Because of this thread I just used my Novaguard off-host. And while I had the highest score, I was also out of medigels by wave 7. Friggin Collectors. Anyway, I can't novaguard. BC works okay-ish but somehow I never really got around to use Nova.
Btw... playing an infiltrator with Javelin off-host isn't -that- easy. 
Edit: 60fps on PC with all aggro on the Vanguard... ouch.
Then I have a problem with the hosts, rather. And disconnecting on the first game I play.
Just started a lobby to make sure I get my stability passives on my Geth Spitfire Havoc. First one in, a GI. Ok, not bad. Next one in, another GI. Ok, I get on the mic to make a request saying "No way I'm playing with two Infiltrators. One of you need to change." One guy responds by changing to KroGuard. But then the last guy in is a Shadow. So off I go to close the lobby.
Next lobby, first to join me is that same Shadow kit. Guess who came next? Yep, another Infiltrator in the name of Ghost. I'm off to try third time is the charm right now.
So my question is whatever you want it to be. Stuff like do you think it's too popular or not, if you'd play with more then one Infiltrator if your not one yourself, and so on.
I hope you're not hating on my Shadow!
Because of this thread I just used my Novaguard off-host. And while I had the highest score, I was also out of medigels by wave 7. Friggin Collectors. Anyway, I can't novaguard. BC works okay-ish but somehow I never really got around to use Nova.
Btw... playing an infiltrator with Javelin off-host isn't -that- easy.
Edit: 60fps on PC with all aggro on the Vanguard... ouch.
Not when I'm shaking the screen and randomly staggering all the things or lashing everything to the moon
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