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[Qun00]

I personally wasn't, but during this second playthrough I've realized there's a fair amount of evidence before that point.

For example, one could wonder why Blackwall apparently wasn't affected by the fake Calling or how he had no clue where the wardens had gone.

[Lumix19]

I wasn't suspicious at all. But I did know of Thom Rainier from a codex entry so when it was revealed I knew what he was talking about. You can definitely see the clues in subsequent playthroughs though.

Edit: I did wonder how he could have been in Ferelden during the Blight though, I was like "WHY DIDN'T YOU HELP!"

[XEternalXDreamsX]

I found him to be a pretty generic good ol' warrior. I thought it was nice to collect Warden items with him. I figured the whole Warden calling may have not affected him that bad considering Hawke's Warden contact. After his quest, and 2nd playthrough.. Just like you, I could tell where he was darting around questions. I still think he is genuinely a good person.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Oh yes. His words on GW in the first dialogue struck me as a little weird. "Grey Wardens can inspire, make you think you're better than you are." My thought then was; why are you talking like that? You sounded like you're an admirer from a distance, not one of the GW.

 

Then of course, there were his fumblings and nonsensical explanations about Archdemons, etc later on.

[katerinafm]

I knew that he was lying about something due to glancing in his character thread (the good old days when I thought he was going to be an awesome Grey Warden romance). So at the first sign of him being shifty it was obvious.

[LOLandStuff]

I just recruited him and became suspicious when we went to kill the darkspawn in Valammar and Inquisitor asked how many there are.

He just stammered and gave me some dumb answer.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I was suspicious that he wasn't a Warden, since he set off too many red flags. But I wasn't suspicious of him being the monster he is until the reveal. 

[agonis]

Regrettably, no.

 

But during my second playtrough I often wondered how I could have been so stupid. Every one of his conversations showed signs that he is hiding something.

[PlasmaCheese]

Oh yes. His words on GW in the first dialogue struck me as a little weird. "Grey Wardens can inspire, make you think you're better than you are." My thought then was; why are you talking like that? You sounded like you're an admirer from a distance, not one of the GW.

 

Then of course, there were his fumblings and nonsensical explanations about Archdemons, etc later on.

 

This, exactly.

 

I got suspicious after a banter. There's a conversation him and IB have that I can't find on the wiki. I think Blackwall brings up the death of the Chargers, and Iron Bull deflects by saying Grey Warden know the meaning of sacrifice (perhaps he said for the greater good?). Risking the few for the whole or something. Then Blackwall completely shuts down the comparison in a really strange, idealistic way. A "Grey Wardens would never do that" type of thing, if I remember correctly (my first playthrough ><). Like he had no idea what Grey Wardens were about, but that couldn't be possible. I kept thinking there was no way he could be that old, not know Duncan AND be an idealist.  Then in the fade, the Fear monster says "Ah, there's nothing like a Grey Warden. And you are nothing like a Grey Warden". I agreed! After that point, I didn't know what to think of Blackwall and since he hated my 1st Inquisitor, they never had conversations. He was just a suspicious, angry old man in a barn.

 

I didn't find out his identity until a later playthrough, and by then I was suspicious of something. I just didn't know what.

[Andraste_Reborn]

I figured out he wasn't really a Grey Warden quite early on. Since I was romancing him, my reaction was 'THIS IS GOING TO BE EVEN MORE GLORIOUSLY ANGSTY THAN I THOUGHT!!!' I was not disappointed .

 

I thought he'd killed the real Blackwall, though.

[thats1evildude]

Yes, from the moment he said he was in Ferelden during the Blight. Like **** you were.

[Reznore57]

I knew something was wrong with him.

He was an overall good guy , "let's fight evilz and save puppy for the greater good" but sometimes it was just reaaalllly awkward.

That drink in Skyhold tavern, for example.

I wasn't sure why a guy like him who gave his life away to protect others was still distressed about a dog.

I was getting a lot of mixed signal from him , friendly then suddenly moody and cold.Just weird.

 

I didn't really noticed anything about the wardens though , just when he says he was in Ferelden during the Blight , I thought it was strange.

In my first playthrough , I got him at Adamant and he gave a whole speech so I had no idea he wasn't a warden.

[Junebug]

For the most part, no. I tend to just like getting carried away by the story. But there was one eyebrow-raising moment when they were meeting with Hawke's Grey Warden contact. I brought Blackwall with me and my character asked him if he heard The Calling too and he said something along the lines of, "I am not easily swayed by Corypheus' manipulation." I was like, "whaaaaaat...the Calling is an auditory hallucination + nightmares that are pretty hard to ignore....but okay!" Haha XD

[Hanako Ikezawa]

For the most part, no. I tend to just like getting carried away by the story. But there was one eyebrow-raising moment when they were meeting with Hawke's Grey Warden contact. I brought Blackwall with me and my character asked him if he heard The Calling too and he said something along the lines of, "I am not easily swayed by Corypheus' manipulation." I was like, "whaaaaaat...the Calling is an auditory hallucination + nightmares that are pretty hard to ignore....but okay!" Haha XD

Speaking of Hawke's Grey Warden contact, how did Stroud not know that Rainier wasn't Blackwall? Blackwall was the second in command of the Wardens in Orlais, and Stroud was the leader of the Wardens in the Free Marches. They would have met several times. Or Loghain, for whom the real Blackwall was his superior for several years?

[Seraphim24]

I was suspicious from the character reveal and the little blurb when his only additional hobby appeared to be "drinking." It sounded like someone who had precious little imagination when it came to their free time and those people tend to be incredibly violent (frequently as a result of extreme over passivity).

 

So, yes.

 

Although I thought they were going to artificially make him a super-hero guy even when his true nature was to be insanely violent, not actually show him to be a psycho.

[Dieb]

Oh yes. His words on GW in the first dialogue struck me as a little weird. "Grey Wardens can inspire, make you think you're better than you are." My thought then was; why are you talking like that? You sounded like you're an admirer from a distance, not one of the GW.

 

Then of course, there were his fumblings and nonsensical explanations about Archdemons, etc later on.

 

I agree. That very first conversation was the strangest - it doesn't sound right for a guy shortly after presented as very modest or even self-deprecating to speak like that.

 

However, I never got why people claim to find it revealing how he speaks about killing the Archdemon.

 

Clearly he wouldn't explain in detail what the Wardens do, and what he says, essentially, is true. Actually, that was one of the moments where I was rather put at ease with my suspicion, because this weary, dead pan "It dies from swords. There." is what made it sound believeable. Cause that's what it is - you still have to the defeat a High Dragon before you get to even go "Grey Warden" on it. Only an outsider would have fallen for the easy assumption that Wardens have some sort of magical Anti-Darkspawn-Deathray that just makes it all go away.

 

Maybe it's in the voice acting, though.

[berelinde]

Yeah, I was suspicious when he said that he was in Ferelden during the Blight. I've read World of Thedas, so I'd seen "A Fine Time to Close A Border" and I knew that the real Blackwall was in Orlais at the time.

 

I didn't care, though. I figured I'd sit tight and see where it took me, since any character with a big personal secret will eventually be forced to reveal it. Gotta say that I enjoyed the ride. Ever since talking to him in Haven, it was obvious he was running from his past, so I figured he had a past worth running away from. When the truth finally came out, I was actually expecting worse.

[Knight of Dane]

Yes but only because I happened to bring him to Valammar. When you encounter the first Darkspawn there Quizzy-kun will ask Blackwall-chan how many there are and he will hesitate.

 

Otherwise I didn't feel like his avoiding of questions was too far streched, Alistair and Stroud are just as secretive to Hawke in DA2

[Junebug]

Speaking of Hawke's Grey Warden contact, how did Stroud not know that Rainier wasn't Blackwall? Blackwall was the second in command of the Wardens in Orlais, and Stroud was the leader of the Wardens in the Free Marches. They would have met several times. Or Loghain, for whom the real Blackwall was his superior for several years?

YESSYESYES I KNOW RIGHT?! After I found out he was Rainier, I thought the exact same thing. I wonder if it was an oversight or they deliberately chose to ignore it because they ran out of notable Grey Wardens to use as potential Giant Squishy Bug fodder.

[agonis]

I knew something was wrong with him.

He was an overall good guy , "let's fight evilz and save puppy for the greater good" but sometimes it was just reaaalllly awkward.

That drink in Skyhold tavern, for example.

I wasn't sure why a guy like him who gave his life away to protect others was still distressed about a dog.

I was getting a lot of mixed signal from him , friendly then suddenly moody and cold.Just weird.

 

I didn't really noticed anything about the wardens though , just when he says he was in Ferelden during the Blight , I thought it was strange.

In my first playthrough , I got him at Adamant and he gave a whole speech so I had no idea he wasn't a warden.

 

It was not about the dog. It was about knowing what is right but not doing it. After that scene he dissapeared to save one of his soldiers because he couldn´t bear hiding any longer.

[FeliciaM]

I got suspicious when he was acting all evasive. He should know how to kill an arch demon, or have a general idea of how many darkspawn are in an area And if Loghain/Alistair/Stroud knew about Corphytits, then he should have at least heard of him, too... you know... since he was a Warden Constable.

 

Do I want he did despicable? Not really... not compared to some of the other characters in this universe. Rather tame compared to Isabela or Zevran lol

[Vaseldwa]

I wasn't suspicious at all tbh, but then again I hadn't read much lore at the time. When the big reveal came I was shocked, but I forgave him. I mean how ever many years of guilt and living alone I think is punishment enough. Plus killing him wont erase what he did, it is better imo to have him work towards his redemption. 

[MattH]

When you do Varric's personal quest and take Blackwall, the Inquisitor will ask how many darkspawn are there and he gives a very vague answer.

While I like the twist, it's a shame we didn't have a Warden companion, we've had one in every game. Although, with somebody like Anders, it was just another part of him, whereas Blackwall's whole persona is being a Warden.

[sim-ran]

I had no idea. There was clearly something in his past he was ashamed of and it seemed he was trying very hard to be a better man than he felt he truly was inside.

But I never suspected that he was not even a real Warden. The signs were there but I just put them down to bad writing.

The twist was great though on that first play. He was boring as hell before and after but those scenes were ace.

I think I'll always let him die from now on. It seems to be what he really wants at that point to finally atone, and there is no good content with him after you save him.