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[DanteYoda]

This thread reminds me of one of those new age conspiracy theory websites...

I Feel that fits the whole of BSN quite well

[Ieldra]

@OP:

You are making an interesting point. This should, indeed, have had way more impact on those who know. Not on my Inquisitor though: she's alway suspected that the term god, as far as really existing entities goes, is nothing more than a stand-in for "really, really super-powered entity who has, at some time, endeavoured to influence the cultures of lesser-powered beings".

 

The thing is, as we all know, that religion is a social phenomenen that doesn't depend on the gods really existing and having a will and an agenda of their own. One idea I've been debating at various times has gotten was, however, that religion might be a phenomenon that exactly depends on the gods not being such entities. As soon as a god becomes real, it loses its mythological aura and becomes subject to politics, basically a magical superpower in one person. Mythal's revelation should be examined in this context. By the story. Eventually.

 

For the same reason, this will never happen to the Maker. Because, well, his religion is no exception: its power and its moral authority depend on being able to infuse the Maker with the trappings of human culture. If such a powerful entity was revealed to exist in truth, it would be all too apparent for too many of the religious factions that he is not, in fact, anything they ever believed. Faith would become politics to an even bigger degree than it already is, and I'm pretty confident that's the last thing the writers want.  

[Madmoe77]

@OP:

You are making an interesting point. This should, indeed, have had way more impact on those who know. Not on my Inquisitor though: she's alway suspected that the term god, as far as really existing entities goes, is nothing more than a stand-in for "really, really super-powered entity who has, at some time, endeavoured to influence the cultures of lesser-powered beings".

 

The thing is, as we all know, that religion is a social phenomenen that doesn't depend on the gods really existing and having a will and an agenda of their own. One idea I've been debating at various times has gotten was, however, that religion might be a phenomenon that exactly depends on the gods not being such entities. As soon as a god becomes real, it loses its mythological aura and becomes subject to politics, basically a magical superpower in one person. Mythal's revelation should be examined in this context. By the story. Eventually.

 

For the same reason, this will never happen to the Maker. Because, well, his religion is no exception: its power and its moral authority depend on being able to infuse the Maker with the trappings of human culture. If such a powerful entity was revealed to exist in truth, it would be all too apparent for too many of the religious factions that he is not, in fact, anything they ever believed. Faith would become politics to an even bigger degree than it already is, and I'm pretty confident that's the last thing the writers want.  

 

 

This is a very valid point which I will further explain my position on. 

 

Faith is a personal thing. Religion drives the faith based on the cultural adherence to that faith. In many ways religion is the first thing a person learns from their family. It creates an identity of self. Not only self but the very glue that your culture may have to maintain itself as a whole. Religious identity is directly connected to the God or gods within that core faith to maintain judgment, be the example or the fear for it's adherents. In this case when our Quizze sets out to destroy Hakkon and 'humble' them Iron Shiek style, we have not only taken out a dragon with a spirit inside it but ripped the very base of an entire culture to it's knees. No one talks about it later because it had no Weight. (Predictable I know, but wait; there's more.)

 

The Maker will not be challenged or offed so easily simply because of it's real world tie in. That effect would be worse than the Mass Effect 3 ending issue. It would send people at Fox News into a frenzy about games preaching and tearing down real world ideals in a caricature of them. The real world thoughts about God, with a capitol G are greatly ingrained in western culture. Attacking those ideals is social suicide. Ask any atheist who complains about Thanksgiving prayer! Don't do it kids. Just don't.

 

The gods that are supposed to carry the plot of every canticle and every major event within the game now becomes worthless. They have no weight. Another poster drew attention to a group of elves in the courtyard at Skyhold talking about this just as nonchalantly as they would argue sports over dinner. They didn't mass. They didn't revolt. They just spoke about one of the games biggest reveals it could make with the very Inquisitor who met their god walking by without so much as a tomato thrown or 'inquisitive' line of questioning. I loaded my game and went right to the court yard in a save after this reveal and they were right there as the poster said they were. 

 

I think it is funny that I got so much flack for the first reason I posted why this reveal ruined the plot. Walls Have Ears. Those ears have voices. They build a reluctant man into the Herald of Andraste but they ignore a real God when confronted with it? It is an omission of convenience. One that tells the player the in-game lore has no effect, that it does not drive the plot and the cultures within the game would retire quietly to their beds if their Gods were challenged, killed or desecrated. But mages under persecution would blow up chantry's to make a point.

 

Dragon Age doesn't know where it's weight is planted from a gamer's perspective. It will not commit to the realism it is establishing to support it's fantasy. It's central tenants are empty and losing credibility. If it chooses to continue rewriting lore each game and devaluing it at the same time it serves no purpose but to simulate sex and racism for prejudices they choose to preach each new title. The world God is not empty, if I as an atheist know this is something I have to be careful with-killing other's gods willy nilly should have some kind of effect.      

[leaguer of one]

This is a very valid point which I will further explain my position on. 

 

Faith is a personal thing. Religion drives the faith based on the cultural adherence to that faith. In many ways religion is the first thing a person learns from their family. It creates an identity of self. Not only self but the very glue that your culture may have to maintain itself as a whole. Religious identity is directly connected to the God or gods within that core faith to maintain judgment, be the example or the fear for it's adherents. In this case when our Quizze sets out to destroy Hakkon and 'humble' them Iron Shiek style, we have not only taken out a dragon with a spirit inside it but ripped the very base of an entire culture to it's knees. No one talks about it later because it had no Weight. (Predictable I know, but wait; there's more.)

 

    

That's not the same case. Avvar well know their gods can die and be reborn.(They even tell this themselves.) And to any out sider their god are just seen a spirits. Your missing the matter od context.

 

 

The Maker will not be challenged or offed so easily simply because of it's real world tie in. That effect would be worse than the Mass Effect 3 ending issue. It would send people at Fox News into a frenzy about games preaching and tearing down real world ideals in a caricature of them. The real world thoughts about God, with a capitol G are greatly ingrained in western culture. Attacking those ideals is social suicide. Ask any atheist who complains about Thanksgiving prayer! Don't do it kids. Just don't.

 

The gods that are supposed to carry the plot of every canticle and every major event within the game now becomes worthless. They have no weight. Another poster drew attention to a group of elves in the courtyard at Skyhold talking about this just as nonchalantly as they would argue sports over dinner. They didn't mass. They didn't revolt. They just spoke about one of the games biggest reveals it could make with the very Inquisitor who met their god walking by without so much as a tomato thrown or 'inquisitive' line of questioning. I loaded my game and went right to the court yard in a save after this reveal and they were right there as the poster said they were. 

 

I think it is funny that I got so much flack for the first reason I posted why this reveal ruined the plot. Walls Have Ears. Those ears have voices. They build a reluctant man into the Herald of Andraste but they ignore a real God when confronted with it? It is an omission of convenience. One that tells the player the in-game lore has no effect, that it does not drive the plot and the cultures within the game would retire quietly to their beds if their Gods were challenged, killed or desecrated. But mages under persecution would blow up chantry's to make a point.

 

Dragon Age doesn't know where it's weight is planted from a gamer's perspective. It will not commit to the realism it is establishing to support it's fantasy. It's central tenants are empty and losing credibility. If it chooses to continue rewriting lore each game and devaluing it at the same time it serves no purpose but to simulate sex and racism for prejudices they choose to preach each new title. The world God is not empty, if I as an atheist know this is something I have to be careful with-killing other's gods willy nilly should have some kind of effect.      

But it a matter of perspective. Elven faith in there gods is shaky at best being they are culturally a divided people. What impact is this going to have on them if one part believes in the maker, the other in the que, the rest in surviving to the next day, and a scattered few who truly do but through missed understood recounting?

Elven religion has no true glue with it's people as a whole. Only the fact they were once great it what binds them together. Human faith remains unchallenged because the maker never truelly walked the earth while the elven god did and even show they are not really gods.  the fact the elve gods were show to be not real gods only strengthen the chantey...How can something proven false weaken something that has yet to be.

 

As I said before this is not a reveil, this is not Thor being proven real, this is a discredit. All this is is finding out Thor was real but he really was a normal guy who found some magical hammer and people mistake him to be a god. that's not going to shake any faiths at all.

[Madmoe77]

This would be a suitable time to post that Bioware fan Gif of yours.. However, I cannot. Dunno how to do that from mobile.

 

I will only say this one time. You have done nothing but antagonize since you joined the thread and have offered nothing but an attitude to discredit not with merit but insult and now you are looking for henchmen to join you in doing so. I am flagging you. You have done this in multiple threads with the "cherry-picking" and right into insults and flaring up other forumites to join you. You are not interested in a discussion, you want to cause an issue, make fun of and push the rabbit back into a hole.

[Daerog]

Seeing the gods of other faiths is not new in Thedas.

 

The Old Gods are physically present in Thedas, and turn into Archdemons when corrupted. The Chantry did not hide that information. It certainly made their religion look good and led to the decline of the worship of the Old Gods (it's not entirely gone).

 

Let's say Mythal/Fen'Harel is revealed to the world, and in the form of Solas. Not by hearsay, but by actually announcing himself. The fact that he is a god would not be so shocking, but more that this is a god that is currently present physically in the world and is not corrupted and trying to destroy it.

 

Dalish elves would flock to him, some Andrastian elves may flock to him and some would reject him as just a powerful being, and humans in general would be suspicious of him. After all, the elf religion is exclusive and Solas thinks very little of humans. Come to think of it, Solas may be the undoing of the Dalish faith, not the lore or history or culture/tradition, just in the faith/worshiping stuff.

 

So...

 

Thedas may initially freak out because of previous dealings with "gods" of old faiths, but may give a sigh after seeing that he isn't corrupted and bent on world domination/destruction, and then remain suspicious since Solas a very powerful being. The Chantry would probably not deny that he is Mythal/Fen'Harel, but would reject him being treated as a god, and Solas would likely agree with them on that point.

[Ieldra]

As I said before this is not a reveil, this is not Thor being proven real, this is a discredit. All this is is finding out Thor was real but he really was a normal guy who found some magical hammer and people mistake him to be a god. that's not going to shake any faiths at all.

The question here is: what exactly is it that defines a god? What measuring stick do you use to say "Mythal is not a deity"? There is no such measuring stick because all that any entity needs to be revered as a deity is for people to claim that it is. The appellation "deity" pretty much only exists in the minds of would-be believers. For everyone else any "god" is nothing more than a magical superpower in one person.

 

Which means that if any "god" steps out of the unknown, it will give the faith of the people who believed in it a boost if it acts at least somewhat in accordance to how they believed it would. It will have an enormous cultural weight. Meanwhile, those who believe in something else will predictably denounce the entity as an imposter as they've always done. Long-term, however, faith will change into politics for the believers because once their "god" takes its place among the visible powers of the world, this is inevitable. The "god" will become a ruler, or an advisor, with divine legitimacy, but the aura of the divine will slowly fade over time. 

 

This is, btw, why faith in an absent god is much easier to come by. Your faith is much less likely to be adversely affected by the real entity that way. Of course, looked at through the lens of a non-believer, this just emphasizes that faith in gods may be a somewhat questionable thing in the first place. If you're bound to be disappointed by your god's reality should it choose to reveal itself, why believe it's different as along as it hasn't?

[leaguer of one]

The question here is: what exactly is it that defines a god? What measuring stick do you use to say "Mythal is not a deity"? There is no such measuring stick because all that any entity needs to be revered as a deity is for people to claim that it is. The appellation "deity" pretty much only exists in the minds of would-be believers. For everyone else any "god" is nothing more than a magical superpower in one person.

 

Which means that if any "god" steps out of the unknown, it will give the faith of the people who believed in it a boost if it acts at least somewhat in accordance to how they believed it would. It will have an enormous cultural weight. Meanwhile, those who believe in something else will predictably denounce the entity as an imposter as they've always done. Long-term, however, faith will change into politics for the believers because once their "god" takes its place among the visible powers of the world, this is inevitable. The "god" will become a ruler, or an advisor, with divine legitimacy, but the aura of the divine will slowly fade over time. 

 

This is, btw, why faith in an absent god is much easier to come by. Your faith is much less likely to be adversely affected by the real entity that way. Of course, looked at through the lens of a non-believer, this just emphasizes that faith in gods may be a somewhat questionable thing in the first place. If you're bound to be disappointed by your god's reality should it choose to reveal itself, why believe it's different as along as it hasn't?

 These very gods themselves state they aren't god. Flemeth(Mythal) and Solas(Fen'heral) go out of the way to say they aren't gods and the gods of old aren't ether.

it's just a matter of perspective.

 

Flemeth say this in dao. "Age and power is a matter of perspective. Compared to you yes on both accounts." 

What a go is is a matter of perspective. The ignorant people of Thedus sees the Inquisitor as a god or demi-god. And did the same with Andraste. it's just a matter of understanding or lack there of.

 

In true it's an examlpe of people making their own gods, like the Avvar and spirits. 

And yes faith in an absent god is much easier...it's hard to challenge that way.

[Madmoe77]

 These very gods themselves state they aren't god. Flemeth(Mythal) and Solas(Fen'heral) go out of the way to say they aren't gods and the gods of old aren't ether.

it's just a matter of perspective.

 

Flemeth say this in dao. "Age and power is a matter of perspective. Compared to you yes on both accounts." 

What a go is is a matter of perspective. The ignorant people of Thedus sees the Inquisitor as a god or demi-god. And did the same with Andraste. it's just a matter of understanding or lack there of.

 

In true it's an examlpe of people making their own gods, like the Avvar and spirits. 

And yes faith in an absent god is much easier...it's hard to challenge that way.

 

 

You keep stating that as if we don't know it. We know the Avvar look at their gods this way. It still does not extend to the Dalish or any other culture. Gods will always be Gods to the believers. PERIOD. It adds insult that a group of elves discuss this after the event in the courtyard. Why not a wartable mission to quell the rumor or put down an alienage revolt? Why not? 

 

The Inquisitor cannot deny this in any way in the game in masse. Which is not at all how the reality of God, capitol G works in relation to the canon or real life. This reveal would be like Christ rising again and saying we got it all wrong. THAT WOULD CAUSE AN EFFECT! (capitalization for emphasis only This is why I say it is an omission of convenience. It has to be. Because something so glaringly obvious shouldn't be missed. 

 

As stated before-Anders blew up a chantry for equal rights under chantry rule. Not even because he thought the God's were wrong-Maker or Andraste. Just simply because he tired of circumstance. So in that sense a group of disenfranchised Dalish would probably relish at the idea that any of their lore was real and be emboldened by it. You can't point to anything in game that suggests they shouldn't except for an omission of convenience.

 

Dragon Age would have us believe that the general population of it's established culture is tone deaf and numb; dumb to it's surroundings and only reactionary within the plot of it's main characters. But when it is convenient we can kill a God and write into it a safety. "they don't mind," to suspend critical reaction to it. It is the same with open sexuality in the game. "People are just magically accepting of each other-unless we don't want them to be!"

 

Things in this game resolve themselves too easily.     

[leaguer of one]

You keep stating that as if we don't know it. We know the Avvar look at their gods this way. It still does not extend to the Dalish or any other culture. Gods will always be Gods to the believers. PERIOD. It adds insult that a group of elves discuss this after the event in the courtyard. Why not a wartable mission to quell the rumor or put down an alienage revolt? Why not? 

 

The Inquisitor cannot deny this in any way in the game in masse. Which is not at all how the reality of God, capitol G works in relation to the canon or real life. This reveal would be like Christ rising again and saying we got it all wrong. THAT WOULD CAUSE AN EFFECT! (capitalization for emphasis only This is why I say it is an omission of convenience. It has to be. Because something so glaringly obvious shouldn't be missed. 

 

As stated before-Anders blew up a chantry for equal rights under chantry rule. Not even because he thought the God's were wrong-Maker or Andraste. Just simply because he tired of circumstance. So in that sense a group of disenfranchised Dalish would probably relish at the idea that any of their lore was real and be emboldened by it. You can't point to anything in game that suggests they shouldn't except for an omission of convenience.

 

Dragon Age would have us believe that the general population of it's established culture is tone deaf and numb; dumb to it's surroundings and only reactionary within the plot of it's main characters. But when it is convenient we can kill a God and write into it a safety. "they don't mind," to suspend critical reaction to it. It is the same with open sexuality in the game. "People are just magically accepting of each other-unless we don't want them to be!"

 

Things in this game resolve themselves too easily.     

Why would there be an alienge riot? Do you not know how divided elves are as a culture? The majority of elves don't believe in the same god and very few who are city elves believe in elven gods. Believe in ancient elven culture is one thing but city elves does believe in the gods at all. Elves are a divided race who believe in different thing who only have a memory of a memory of what they were. What we found in the arbor wilds would change anything for the majority of elves. Only the dalish could be effected

 

Modern elves are stuck between the chanrty,the qun, non-belief and skirting with the dalish who are the vast minority. And i said this many times in this topic before. Look at the context of the people you think this effect before saying it will drastically effect them.

[Madmoe77]

Why would there be an alienge riot? Do you not know how divided elves are as a culture? The majority of elves don't believe in the same god and very few who are city elves believe in elven gods. Believe in ancient elven culture is one thing but city elves does believe in the gods at all. Elves are a divided race who believe in different thing who only have a memory of a memory of what they were. What we found in the arbor wilds would change anything for the majority of elves. Only the dalish could be effected

 

Modern elves are stuck between the chanrty,the qun, non-belief and skirting with the dalish who are the vast minority. And i said this many times in this topic before. Look at the context of the people you think this effect before saying it will drastically effect them.

 

 

I think we have a fundamental disagreement on what a splintered culture actually means. They have nothing to unify them currently; a living God would do that. 

 

I don't see how this keeps flying under the radar in the exchange here. 

 

The point of my original post is exactly as you keep parroting here. The game is not consistent with God, capital G to the point of uselessness. They may as well not use it at all. It has no greater value. It adds nothing to the plot. They could make up something like mega-God fade monster of all-gods for the next game and it would be foolish hyperbole. So much so that any canticle is no longer doctrine or important at all. What they call premise is not a premise as the tangibility to support it is empty. Therefore the lore of the current series is no longer a factor. 

 

I; as the player know two important things here-God in-game is something I can kill. When confronted with God-in-game no sense of urgency is needed-it is irrelevant. From any viewpoint in Origins I do not have to fear anything in the rules. 

[Madmoe77]

The Avvar also fought to the death to defend that 'god' that they knew or believed would come back. 

[leaguer of one]

I think we have a fundamental disagreement on what a splintered culture actually means. They have nothing to unify them currently; a living God would do that. 

 

I don't see how this keeps flying under the radar in the exchange here. 

 

The point of my original post is exactly as you keep parroting here. The game is not consistent with God, capital G to the point of uselessness. They may as well not use it at all. It has no greater value. It adds nothing to the plot. They could make up something like mega-God fade monster of all-gods for the next game and it would be foolish hyperbole. So much so that any canticle is no longer doctrine or important at all. What they call premise is not a premise as the tangibility to support it is empty. Therefore the lore of the current series is no longer a factor. 

 

I; as the player know two important things here-God in-game is something I can kill. When confronted with God-in-game no sense of urgency is needed-it is irrelevant. From any viewpoint in Origins I do not have to fear anything in the rules. 

the fact they are a divided culture is a fact. A painful one. One half is in southern thedus under the control of Andratian faith. the others are slaves or 3rd class citizens in Teventor. Then there is the former slaves convering to the qun. And that leaves the dalish who are few in number and spread about and you are the only ones who fallow the elven god.

 

The elves in southern and northern thedus who are not dalish are ignorant of elven gods. Any knowledge based would be Andratian or teventor based who neglect study any elven lore on a large scale. that means no one is around to teach them of the elven gods and it has been for generations. The only way a city elf can learn about them is through the dalish and the few libraries that may have info on it if they are allowed and that if they can read in the first place. 

 

Sorry, but the story make it a point the elves are divided people and culture, the opening narration of the city elfs origin make a point of stating this. it's a fact.

 

it's has nothing to do with constancy. It about perspective. Anything can be call a god but that does not mean it is. And the elven gods being proven not to truly be god is not going to effect the   elves of the alienge. They don't grow up being taught of them. Not in any way. they just learn they were once great and it's now gone. it's not going to shake there faith in it because they have no faith in it.

 

The Avvar also fought to the death to defend that 'god' that they knew or believed would come back. 

And the Avvar is 100% different from what the elve relationship of their so called gods. The avvar are raised for generation to live and breath and be there belief while an alienge elf is not and never heard of most of the elven gods of old outside of the dalish. The avvar are raise learning there gods can die and be reborn, the alienge elves  are raised having andrastian faith forced on them. The elves have no united culture like the Avvar and the ones that do are the dalish who are in few number.

[PsychoBlonde]

Why would you be fazed to find out that Mythal exists?  You've spent the ENTIRE DANG GAME fighting Corypheus, an ancient Tevinter Magister and self-proclaimed demigod.  And YOU are considered by many to be the Chosen One of the Most Popular Thedas God: The Maker.

 

I figure by the time Flemeth does her thing, everybody has so much God Fatigue that nobody gives a damn any more and people just want everything to get back to normal.

[Patient.Zero]

@Madmoe77
I know this is an older post, but it's 2am and I feel like sharing.

1) Dear ol'Solas is an elven god, and while the Inquisition still based out of Haven he tells you he tried to talk to the Dalish. He tried to tell them the truth of eleven history and culture, and they rejected him. Fen'Harel went to the Dalish. The Dalish rejected him. They did not revolt or riot or rally or rebel. They called him a kook because they did not want to buy what he was selling.

2) Consistency is not the same as continuation. Lore evolves my well spoken friend, just because beings once thought to be omnipotent have been revealed to be otherwise, doesn't mean that the writers of the game are wishy-washy or lack direction. It just means that the game is headed in a different direction then you thought.

3) I have either not heard the chatter if the elves at Skyhold about Myhal, or I have no recollection of it. So I ask, what did they say? Perhaps they were not as hyped and you would have liked, but I suspect it was something poignant.

4) You meantioned having played through the DLC but I suspect that Decent and Trespasser were not released yet. If you have played through Trespasser, were the disappearing elves more akin to the reaction you expected from Mythal's reveal?

[Madmoe77]

@Madmoe77
I know this is an older post, but it's 2am and I feel like sharing.

1) Dear ol'Solas is an elven god, and while the Inquisition still based out of Haven he tells you he tried to talk to the Dalish. He tried to tell them the truth of eleven history and culture, and they rejected him. Fen'Harel went to the Dalish. The Dalish rejected him. They did not revolt or riot or rally or rebel. They called him a kook because they did not want to buy what he was selling.

2) Consistency is not the same as continuation. Lore evolves my well spoken friend, just because beings once thought to be omnipotent have been revealed to be otherwise, doesn't mean that the writers of the game are wishy-washy or lack direction. It just means that the game is headed in a different direction then you thought.

3) I have either not heard the chatter if the elves at Skyhold about Myhal, or I have no recollection of it. So I ask, what did they say? Perhaps they were not as hyped and you would have liked, but I suspect it was something poignant.

4) You meantioned having played through the DLC but I suspect that Decent and Trespasser were not released yet. If you have played through Trespasser, were the disappearing elves more akin to the reaction you expected from Mythal's reveal?

 

We are gonna get yelled at for digging up corpses! Shhh...we will have to whisper

 

1) The Dalish rejected him because it seems they believed him a soothsayer or one of the spoiled pantheon. It's not really clear yet. As for him openly admitting in Trespasser that he was a little 'g'; god, it was refreshing. It still doesn't dress down the Temple of Mythal reveal, the libraries in Trespasser and the Veil being a construct to imprison not-Gods. One thing Solas revealing so much did do finally was address the flawed perspective being god-like would bring. His decision to strip the veil is exactly what I thought should happen. (not saying my view was right but it is from my perspective and opinion more realistic.) Once the pantheon believed in their own divinity it twisted every ounce of morality they could have had when they were just vulnerable others. Other's being mundane common folk who aspire to greatness. 

 

2) Wishy-washy is a slight and could be taken many ways critically I know. What we did learn with the Descent is that dwarves are like white blood cells to the Titan's. Again though-is this just trying to avoid the metaphysical like midichlorians in the Star War's prequels? It does bring a genuine glue to some of the lore. Albeit that doesn't take away from my point that big 'G's' becoming little 'g's' is overdone. As you said it is so consistently done that by now every big lore God/god should be assumed to have had a forgotten effect and was blown up to a being they were not. Why not just have big-bad's like Loghain then?

 

Consistency and continuation won't fight stale for much longer. My overall complaint is that they go to it too often. It waters down the ability to create compelling real world elements to avoid these pitfalls. And they are pitfalls. I was asked earlier in the threads why it would matter if splintered Elf tribes with differing religious belief's found out about Mythal or now the Dread Wolf; that's simple we have this problem growing with ISIS in the real world. Cultures with mythological reasoning and metaphysical backup tend to have no end to the extent they feel empowered by this or worse repressed by this. What happens if a group who had supreme protection suddenly lost that protection? The fearful wouldn't be too complacent to right past wrongs.

 

3) It's been a while and I still don't know the end's and out's of acquiring and sharing those game shorts. I know I can capture certain 20 second or so shots with my Xbone but I haven't pursued it much further. If I remember correctly it is a reoccurring group of non-distinct elves. They remark something like,"Did you hear-Mythal!?" "Mythal, like the legends?" "Yes that Mythal! What does this mean?"

 

They discuss it like I said they do. Like a modern couple would discuss Donald Trump revealing he is the symbiote to his toupe. It does two things-establishes that people know of the events regardless of secrecy. And second that the reaction according to Trespasser is the loyal, curious and disenfranchised elves or combinations of them both are gathering in a remote location. We don't know if they are being called, driven by Solas' network to come back and reform, or if they are just accumulating at a site to do what we are doing here. They could be pursuing a place of ancient lore yet not revealed (oooh awwwe)!

 

(I would honestly laugh my ass off if they were being called like the Warden's hear the Calling-Solas you hate that the Warden's stealing your stick! Well of Sorrows-huh huh-anyone?)  

 

But we can fall back on Dragon Age 2 and the beginning to Inquisition as a potential spoiler here. The MAGE REBELLION! cough cough.

 

4) I think I added enough in about the DLC to support my reactions. They are mixed. I feel like the fandom is now trying their very best to build up Solas as if he is something he may not be-unbeatable, a God amongst men with 'glowy' eyes! Wait for it-I don't think that carries any WEIGHT! (I had to, sorry. Consistency and continuity and all.)

 

I am looking forward to it though. If anything I am less soured by the game and it's need to occupy my time. That's good though. Empty religious models aside-Dragon Age can be more than this. Falling back on Loghain once more, but a protagonist with Earthly control is often so much more menacing than one claiming something extraordinary. What Hitler did turned him into a verb, adjective and adverb too often used to make generalizations. But he deserves it. Three hundred years from now-or a thousand-let's hope he doesn't become mythos just because.