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[The Arbiter]

Months ago I was speculating about a "TOTAL RESTART / REBOOT THEORY" of Mass Effect and the creator of the "ARK THEORY" also communicated with me. Assuming arguendo that these "leaks" are true then the most logical way for me to conclude that the next installment in order to save the MILKYWAY must and  would and should be a TOTAL RESTART of the franchise because the leaks seems to point out an attempt to distance themselves from the Shepard trilogy wherein a fellow forumer called it as "running away" while the other stated it as a "brilliant move" or if they would somehow want an "indirect Sequel" is go with the ARK THEORY.

 

Now another thing, if they don't decide to delete the Milkyway but will have a direct impact on the next game with our protagonist or his/her crew members without even mentioning on what happened after the reaper war... it could indicate a RESTART REBOOT because the original crews and protagonist are replaced but the lore continues even if the original ending and outcome is vague or goes in multiple ways.

 

Ultiamtely the question lingers "WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MLIKYWAY" The extended cut gave different outcomes but Bioware does not consider any of them as canon... which means we would never get to re-visit the MILKYWAY EVER AGAIN since if we re-visit that galaxy it would lead as to a canon somehow unless if they are aiming for a total RESTART / REBOOT

 

What do you guys think? is this GOOD? is this AMAZING? is this a LET DOWN? is this a CHEAP KNOCK OFF? comment below!

 

 

 

NARRATIVE:

• Premise: Set in the Helius Cluster of the Andromeda Galaxy, removed by time and space from the Mass Effect "Commander Shepard" trilogy and its ending. Play as a "Pathfinder" explorer leading expedition with the aim of establishing new home for humanity. Encounter "savage untamed lands", "cut-throat outlaws", and "warring alien races" in an effort to survive and colonies. Andromeda is home to a mysterious alien race, the Remnants, who've left their vaults and ancient technology throughout.
• Game Objective: Explore 100s of solar systems (over 4x size of Mass Effect 3) collecting resources, developing your ship, crew, and arsenal, while engaging in diplomacy in order to set up colonies, while discovering the mystery behind the Remnants and racing to secure their technology.
• New Species: Remnants, an ancient race who've left ruins and technology throughout the galaxy. And Khet, seemingly antagonistic.
• Squadmates: Same as previous games: make friends, take two with you on missions. Cora is able to generate biotic shields you can fire out of. Drack is a Krogan.
• Loyalty Missions: Same as previous games: complete to unlock increased loyalty and new skill tree for that character. Example: Krogan colony ship has been stolen by outlaws. Track down the ship and return it to increase loyalty with Drack. Dialogue trees and end game impacted by loyalty status.
• Dialogue: "Meaningful choices". Deeper control over responses, such as interrupting conversation. Action based choices are physical choices to shape the course of conversation, such as pulling out a weapon and forcing them to open a door instead of attempting to do so purely via conversation.

EXPLORATION/CUSTOMISATION

• Tempest Starship: Pilotable ship to discover 100s of solar systems. Customisable with trophies/loot/photos taken through the galaxy. Transition between flying ship, to landing on planet, to driving Mako, to getting out on foot, all seamless with no loading screens.
• Mako Vehicle: Upgradeable with turbo boost, shield generator, hostile detector, etc. Customisable paint job.
• Planets: 100s of surfaces to explore, for discovering places to colonise, and alien vaults/outputs to conquer.
• Colonies: Build settlements on habitable planets. Able to decide what type of settlement for bonuses. EG: Recon Settlements will clear fog of war on space map and offer more strike team missions, meanwhile Mining Settlements will periodically supply crafting materials.
• Blueprints: Allow you to craft alien technology using materials for better equipment and weapons, such as a jetpack for jumping, cryo-beam to target enemies, etc.
• Crew: Customisable skill trees, gear, weapons, etc.

MISSIONS TYPES AND MULTIPLAYER:

• Remnant Vault Raids: Ancient ruins in two variants. Standard: Accessed by finding and activating Remnant Monoliths, explored to find a "powerful artefact". Acquiring artefact triggers defence systems: robots, traps, and restructured layout. Rewards with valuable loot, crafting resources, and Star Keys. Orbital Facilities: Unlocked with Star Keys, provide permanent stat bonuses, and optional higher difficulty vault raids that add Khet patrols and outlaws. Rewards with rare loot and narrative acclaim.
• Khet Outposts: Optional wave-based combat challenges that reward with XP, reduced Khet power and additional narrative options in the region if destroyed.
• Strike Team: Spend resources to recruit mercenaries and develop AI controlled strike teams to be deployed on randomly generated, time sensitive missions. Include settlement defence and remnant artefact recovery. Strike Teams return 20 - 30 minutes later with XP, currency, and equipment depending on mission outcome. Spend money/resources to train Strike Team, and buy better equipment, to increase success rate and send on dangerous missions.
• Active Strike Team: See above, however you can choose to complete the Strike Team mission manually via play using your multiplayer roster of characters. Able to play co-op with friends, more friends increasing difficulty and rewards. Bonus rewards for joining another players strike team mission. XP, loot, and customisation rewards for Strike Team played characters are cohesive with multiplayer specific horde mode.
• Horde Mode: Similar to Mass Effect 3: four players against waves of enemies with additional objectives such as disabling a bomb or assassinating a target. Similar XP/loot rewards to Mass Effect 3. APEX funds earned to be used in single player.

 

05/04/15 UPDATE: Please understand I respect Andromeda and I have no problem moving to Andromeda but that can only happen if they RESTART THE FRANCHISE or CANONIZE one of the endings which won't happen. A restart is not a reboot! A restart means that the past trilogy never happened or if it did happen, it only took place in its own respective lore and setting. Which means Mass Effect 4 starts from scratch with a different story no connection at all which eventually lead Milkyway races into Andromeda somehow.

 

The Arktheory while I respect it brings a lot of problems in order to justify itself to be considered as a "Sequel" because not only it hand-waves the endings of ME3 but it also deletes the MILKYWAY WITH IT!

 

FEEL FREE TO EXPRESS YOUR OPINION WITHOUT DROPPING NUKES AGAINST SOMEONE i.e. no Adhominem attacks

[GalacticWolf5]

Theres already a thread about this. You could have posted your theory there.

[arathor_87]

Bioware will dig their own grave if they choose to restart the whole franschise. Many people fell in love with Mass Effect thanks to the trilogy. To neglect all this..it will not be good for Bioware. The rage on the Mass Effect 3 endings will be nothing compared to the rage if they choose to restart the whole franchise. And if they respect their fans, they will not to this. Personally, I will not buy the next Mass Effect game if this is the case. 

[Soultaker08]

Really hope this leak is wrong, but shinobi already said its the real deal.

 

i dont know what to say.

 

its not Mass Effect to me without good ol´ Milkyway , but i guess i have to wait for E3 at least. Pls dont be true .

[Messi Kossmann]

Bioware will dig their own grave if they choose to restart the whole franschise. Many people fell in love with Mass Effect thanks to the trilogy. To neglect all this..it will not be good for Bioware. The rage on the Mass Effect 3 endings will be nothing compared to the rage if they choose to restart the whole franchise. And if they respect their fans, they will not to this. Personally, I will not buy the next Mass Effect game if this is the case. 

People will complain, whatever Bioware decision. If you don't like this approach, other people will complain. If bioware take the approach that you like, other people will complain. So, the "rage" that will happens is not an argument.

[Revan Reborn]

People will complain, whatever Bioware decision. If you don't like this approach, other people will complain. If bioware take the approach that you like, other people will complain. So, the "rage" that will happens is not an argument.

It is when this is not even remotely "Mass Effect." The ending complaints are relatively minor in the larger scheme of things because people took issue with the implications and how much their choice mattered. Whereas this is essentially rebooting Mass Effect and turning it into something entirely new. That's not just making an incoherent and ambiguous ending. That's telling your fan base "yeah we don't like that Mass Effect anymore, deal with the new one."

 

A few folks may have left the franchise over the ending of ME3. Many will leave if the next Mass Effect completely disregards everything that made Mass Effect what it is.

[Mister J]

What arathor_87 said. Except I will buy it, cause I am positive that it will be a good game, even though it doesn't deliver the things I truly have a passion for...

 

It may be kinda similar to Indiana Jones 4. Some good moments, but not the same as the originals...

[Andrew Lucas]

Honestly, cheap knock off.

Still... gonna play it.

[CINCTuchanka]

Bioware will dig their own grave if they choose to restart the whole franschise. Many people fell in love with Mass Effect thanks to the trilogy. To neglect all this..it will not be good for Bioware. The rage on the Mass Effect 3 endings will be nothing compared to the rage if they choose to restart the whole franchise. And if they respect their fans, they will not to this. Personally, I will not buy the next Mass Effect game if this is the case. 

 

I don't understand your logic here. You say that "many people fell in love with Mass Effect thanks to the trilogy."  However, when the first Mass Effect came out there was no trilogy.  So you are saying that "many" people fell in love with Mass Effect because of a trilogy which DIDN'T EXIST YET.

 

By your logic, the first Mass Effect was doomed to failure because it wasn't based on anything that came before.  And yet, the first Mass Effect is the favorite of many players.  Mass Effect 3, which had to deal with a lot of the baggage from the first two games, was met with  controversy.

 

So, to sum up, you are saying that people would rage at the new game more than the ending of Mass Effect 3 if BioWare decided to make their game less like Mass Effect 3 and more like the first Mass Effect.

[Messi Kossmann]

It is when this is not even remotely "Mass Effect." The ending complaints are relatively minor in the larger scheme of things because people took issue with the implications and how much their choice mattered. Whereas this is essentially rebooting Mass Effect and turning it into something entirely new. That's not just making an incoherent and ambiguous ending. That's telling your fan base "yeah we don't like that Mass Effect anymore, deal with the new one."

 

A few folks may have left the franchise over the ending of ME3. Many will leave if the next Mass Effect completely disregards everything that made Mass Effect what it is.

Yeah, a lot people will leave? One thing that i know is the BSN is not a good place to see what is good for a Bioware Game. In neogaf post most of comments say that this is a good approach, same in the Facebook fan page here in Brazil.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

If this leak is true, it has ruined any positive hopes I have for the game. And I'm someone who liked the ME3 endings. Please be wrong. 

[Revan Reborn]

Yeah, a lot people will leave? One thing that i know is the BSN is not a good place to see what is good for a Bioware Game. In neogaf post most of comments say that this is a good approach, same in the Facebook fan page here in Brazil.

Whoever said anything about folks on BSN leaving? I'm talking about the general population. Mass Effect is an incredibly popular franchise. It is by far BioWare's most iconic franchise to date and regardless of what many thought of the ending, people love it. You turn Mass Effect into something it isn't and people will turn. It's happened with plenty of games before that were not true to the source material and people voted with their wallets.

[Messi Kossmann]

Whoever said anything about folks on BSN leaving? I'm talking about the general population. Mass Effect is an incredibly popular franchise. It is by far BioWare's most iconic franchise to date and regardless of what many thought of the ending, people love it. You turn Mass Effect into something it isn't and people will turn. It's happened with plenty of games before that were not true to the source material and people voted with their wallets.

And why it's not a Mass Effect game? Bioware decide what's a "Mass Effect game", not you. Yes, you can leave if you dont like, its your decision. I leave Assassins Creed games because i dont like what Ubisoft doing with it. But it's YOUR and MY choice to leave. Don't think that your opinion is what most of people want. Assassins Creed game continues to sell well, and i think the Next Mass Effect will sell well too.

[BabyPuncher]

If the leak is true, it's going to suck some serious ass.

[7twozero]

One thing that i know is the BSN is not a good place to see what is good for a Bioware game.

[arathor_87]

I don't understand your logic here. You say that "many people fell in love with Mass Effect thanks to the trilogy."  However, when the first Mass Effect came out there was no trilogy.  So you are saying that "many" people fell in love with Mass Effect because of a trilogy which DIDN'T EXIST YET.

 

By your logic, the first Mass Effect was doomed to failure because it wasn't based on anything that came before.  And yet, the first Mass Effect is the favorite of many players.  Mass Effect 3, which had to deal with a lot of the baggage from the first two games, was met with  controversy.

 

So, to sum up, you are saying that people would rage at the new game more than the ending of Mass Effect 3 if BioWare decided to make their game less like Mass Effect 3 and more like the first Mass Effect.

Okey I admit. Bad choice of words. Many people fell in love with the first game and continued to play it. And they loved it. The thing is, I have no problem with a new protagonist or a new galaxy, it´s excitnng and fresh. The problem for me is the following:

If (and I say if) the rumours are true, it means that almost nothing from the triology will be mentioned at all. Even if it´s a new galaxy, don´t you think that Shepards legacy will live on? If the pathfinder rumour is true. How come control Shepard doesn´t help the humans in the new galaxy? Reapers travel a lot faster than any alien ship in the galaxy. To reach the new galaxy would be no problem for the reapers. But hey, it seems like the milky way disappeared from the universe. This is of course just speculation. But Bioware did confirm that they wouldn´t mention the trilogy that much (maybe not at all) in the new game. So we got a new setting in a new galaxy, where the trilogy doesn´t matter at all. Hmm, this doesn´t feel like Mass Effect for me. It feels lika  new franchise with the same name and similar features. It´s like if a new Star Wars sequel wouldn´t mention the galactic civil war and how Luke Skylwaker with friends saved the galaxy. 

Furthermore, the information (rumours) reminds of the new Dragon Age game. The multiplayer part in a single player game is one of the things I don´t like. And if they world is to open (sandbox) there´s a risk that the story will not be that good. This is the problem with the new Dragon Age game. You went to the war table, traveled to a place on the map, ran around and killed some enemies to finish some side missions. The whole game just felt like a giant side mission, almost like a mmo. And there are more similiarities. So there are many reasons to why I´m skeptic. But I´ll hope for the best. I accept that people are excited, but I´m not. I will problably not buy it when it comes out, and I usually pre-order games from Bioware. 

[CINCTuchanka]

Okey I admit. Bad choice of words. Many people fell in love with the first game and continued to play it. And they loved it. The thing is, I have no problem with a new protagonist or a new galaxy, it´s excitnng and fresh. The problem for me is the following:

If (and I say if) the rumours are true, it means that almost nothing from the triology will be mentioned at all. Even if it´s a new galaxy, don´t you think that Shepards legacy will live on? If the pathfinder rumour is true. How come control Shepard doesn´t help the humans in the new galaxy? Reapers travel a lot faster than any alien ship in the galaxy. To reach the new galaxy would be no problem for the reapers. But hey, it seems like the milky way disappeared from the universe. This is of course speculation. But Bioware did confirm that they wouldn´t mention the trilogy that much (maybe not at all) in the new game. So we got a new setting in a new galaxy, where the trilogy doesn´t matter at all. Hmm, this doesn´t feel like Mass Effect for me. It feels lika  new franchise with the same name and similar features. It´s like if a new Star Wars sequel wouldn´t mention the galactic civil war and how Luke Skylwaker and friends saved the galaxy. 

Furthermore, the information (rumours) reminds of the new Dragon Age game. The multiplayer part in a single player game is one of the things I don´t like. And if they world is to open (sandbox) there´s a risk that the story will not be that good. This is the problem with the new Dragon Age game. You went to the war table, traveled to a place on the map, ran around and killed some enemies to finish some side missions. The whole game just felt like a giant side mission, almost like a mmo. And there are more similiarities. So there are many reasons to why I´m skeptic. But I´ll hope for the best. I accept that people are excited, but I´m not. I will problably not buy it when it comes out, and I usually pre-order games from Bioware. 

 

I understand your point better now, thanks.  I agree that it is disconcerting to think that our previous actions in the ME trilogy will be ignored or retconned.  I think that it is way too soon to know how it will go down one way or another.  I will say that there is a strong likelihood that our actions will be mentioned but those actions may not ultimately be that determinative in what our world-state is.  If the leak is true, we are probably looking at the species of the Milky Way attempting to colonize Andromeda far in the future (maybe hundreds of years after ME3?) If that is the case, I am sure we would get a codex entry (at least) along with a Dragon Age Keep style of world state editor.

 

Basically, there is nothing in this "leak" that suggests that our previous actions won't be mentioned.  It is possible that the "Ark" theory may prove correct and Andromeda's denizens don't know anything about the Milky Way because they bailed during the Reaper War, but I think this is not going to happen.  Why? Because, assuming again the leak is  correct, there is mention of a Krogan colony ship.  The Krogans during Reaper War didn't have interstellar much less intergalactic capabilities. 

[Revan Reborn]

And why it's not a Mass Effect game? Bioware decide what's a "Mass Effect game", not you. Yes, you can leave if you dont like, its your decision. I leave Assassins Creed games because i dont like what Ubisoft doing with it. But it's YOUR and MY choice to leave. Don't think that your opinion is what most of people want. Assassins Creed game continues to sell well, and i think the Next Mass Effect will sell well too.

You aren't understanding the argument. Do you believe people would still identify with Batman if he wore pink, and started hopping around like a bunny rabbit during the day giving kids candy? No. That's clearly not Batman. The same applies here. BioWare has a franchise. That's not just something you throw away because a minority did not like how it ended. You are gravely missing the impact this could have or you simply will not recognize reality.

[Mister J]

^ I get what you're saying, but I don't think 'this is not Mass Effect' is the correct way of putting it. It's kinda like you're the only one who is able to determine what a Mass Effect game is. I got the same thing with many oldschool Tomb Raider players and it kinda pisses me off.

 

A better way to say it is: 'this game is not what I hoped for and expect from a Mass Effect game.' (and on that I agree)

[Anacronian Stryx]

Wow the Khet doesn't sound like the Geth at all.. are the Khet following a dude named..hmm .. Zaren?

 

 

Also I for one think we should embrace Bioware's new goal of breaking all know galaxies with bad story telling.

[Son of Shepherd]

Bioware will dig their own grave if they choose to restart the whole franschise. Many people fell in love with Mass Effect thanks to the trilogy. To neglect all this..it will not be good for Bioware. The rage on the Mass Effect 3 endings will be nothing compared to the rage if they choose to restart the whole franchise. And if they respect their fans, they will not to this. Personally, I will not buy the next Mass Effect game if this is the case. 

You would think Bioware will lose a lot of their current ME fanbase if this is true. I'm another won't buy a game based on this. 

 

But I wonder if they will even care; They will get new fans after all who love the next game.

[Revan Reborn]

^ I get what you're saying, but I don't think 'this is not Mass Effect' is the correct way of putting it. It's kinda like you're the only one who is able to determine what a Mass Effect game is. I got the same thing with many oldschool Tomb Raider players and it kinda pisses me off.

 

A better way to say it is: 'this game is not what I hoped for and expect from a Mass Effect game.' (and on that I agree)

Not at all. Alright, lets phrase it this way. When you have a franchise, there are certain things that are set in stone when it becomes a success. Star Wars. Star Trek. Both of these are long-standing sci-fi that have certain rules that you do not violate under any circumstances. In order to be "Star Wars" or "Star Trek," there are certain traits and themes the medium must have. The same is true for Mass Effect.

 

What we know of Mass Effect is entirely limited to the Milky Way. First contact. The Citadel races. The reapers. The entire franchise is based on one galaxy and how this existential threat attempted to destroy it all. Just because you recycle some familiar races and put them on a ship to another galaxy doesn't make it "Mass Effect." Do you understand my point now?

 

Not to mention, Mass Effect isn't just about lore, but it's about how the games are built. The original three was a trilogy. One of the biggest factors was the save import to see your decisions impact the future. What this "survey" essentially states is that it's using a fan-created theory for one, the ARK theory, and it's rebooting the entire Mass Effect franchise and suggesting ME3's endings were terrible. That's what this survey presents to us.

 

I love Mass Effect, but like every other franchise on the planet, there are some basic rules that have to be followed set by the creators. You don't just completely go out of left field and make it something that doesn't represent the original. This has happened in the past and rarely does it work for any franchise. That is my concern. I don't believe this is legitimate anyways, but the fact it's such a large departure from Mass Effect is what is truly disturbing.

 

Wow the Khet doesn't sound like the Geth at all.. are the Khet following a dude named..hmm .. Zaren?

The "Khet." The "Remnants." I wouldn't be surprised at all if this were just an elaborate troll to get people talking about the next Mass Effect. It's not even trying to be subtle about similarities.

[Dutch]

It's not that bad personally. It's quite interesting that we might go to another galaxy. However, I'd like to stay in the Milky Way and I personally believe that we need a canon ending.

[arathor_87]

I understand your point better now, thanks.  I agree that it is disconcerting to think that our previous actions in the ME trilogy will be ignored or retconned.  I think that it is way too soon to know how it will go down one way or another.  I will say that there is a strong likelihood that our actions will be mentioned but those actions may not ultimately be that determinative in what our world-state is.  If the leak is true, we are probably looking at the species of the Milky Way attempting to colonize Andromeda far in the future (maybe hundreds of years after ME3?) If that is the case, I am sure we would get a codex entry (at least) along with a Dragon Age Keep style of world state editor.

 

Basically, there is nothing in this "leak" that suggests that our previous actions won't be mentioned.  It is possible that the "Ark" theory may prove correct and Andromeda's denizens don't know anything about the Milky Way because they bailed during the Reaper War, but I think this is not going to happen.  Why? Because, assuming again the leak is  correct, there is mention of a Krogan colony ship.  The Krogans during Reaper War didn't have interstellar much less intergalactic capabilities. 

Yes, I agree with you. But I´m concerned. Based on the tweets and interviews, it seems like the developers wants a blank slate. And this means it will be almost no connection to the triology. And if this happen, It will feel like a new franchise for me. Sure, there´s a possibility that the game will be good. But on the other  hand, something will be missing if this is true. A world state edior would be awesone. I´m not asking for Shepard and his choices to be mentioned all the time, but it would be nice if we got a world state editor, a codex entry and maybe some dialogue in the game. Just to hear a random person talking about the reaper war would be nice. A conncetion between the trilogy and the new game. Biotics and using a mako is not enough for me. Maybe I´m overreacting and maybe I´m wrong. But something doesn´t feel right. But maybe this is beyond my comprehension. After all, I´m just a human! 

[Messi Kossmann]

Not at all. Alright, lets phrase it this way. When you have a franchise, there are certain things that are set in stone when it becomes a success. Star Wars. Star Trek. Both of these are long-standing sci-fi that have certain rules that you do not violate under any circumstances. In order to be "Star Wars" or "Star Trek," there are certain traits and themes the medium must have. The same is true for Mass Effect.

 

What we know of Mass Effect is entirely limited to the Milky Way. First contact. The Citadel races. The reapers. The entire franchise is based on one galaxy and how this existential threat attempted to destroy it all. Just because you recycle some familiar races and put them on a ship to another galaxy doesn't make it "Mass Effect." Do you understand my point now?

 

Not to mention, Mass Effect isn't just about lore, but it's about how the games are built. The original three was a trilogy. One of the biggest factors was the save import to see your decisions impact the future. What this "survey" essentially states is that it's using a fan-created theory for one, the ARK theory, and it's rebooting the entire Mass Effect franchise and suggesting ME3's endings were terrible. That's what this survey presents to us.

 

I love Mass Effect, but like every other franchise on the planet, there are some basic rules that have to be followed set by the creators. You don't just completely go out of left field and make it something that doesn't represent the original. This has happened in the past and rarely does it work for any franchise. That is my concern. I don't believe this is legitimate anyways, but the fact it's such a large departure from Mass Effect is what is truly disturbing.

 

The "Khet." The "Remnants." I wouldn't be surprised at all if this were just an elaborate troll to get people talking about the next Mass Effect. It's not even trying to be subtle about similarities.

"Ow yeah. Damn James Cameron, the Terminator never born to be a good guy, he is THE Terminator!! Damn Cameron again, the Alien is a horror movie, it's never supposed to be a action sci-fi like Aliens 2."

You see how limited your opinions are? Now Mass Effect need to be restrained in Milk Galaxy because the FIRST trilogy is in Milk Galaxy?

And, just to say, according to rumors, Mass Effect Next may not called a "Mass Effect : something". So, how about if change the name of the game? Of course you will complain...