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[Malanek]

To me it feels likely even before the confirmations from "industry insiders". We have already seen the galaxy map. We have already heard what Casey said by creating a new world. It just meshes with these. It could be an elaborate ruse but if so an extremely convincing one, far better than most we hear. Just the way it was written convinced me more than those confirmations.

[Grieving Natashina]

Taking this a bit more on topic, I've read the Ark Theory.  As far as fan theories go, it's a pretty solid one.  After the tweet about Andromeda, it does seem likely we'll end up there.  I'm not saying that the devs are going with the AT (please put down the torches and pitchforks,) but that would be plausible.  

[Vazgen]

As far as the some of the details around the leak, like the gameplay and such being subject to change?

Yes, but most of all the setting and storyline. Or that it all ends up a ruse and will be debunked with a Milky Way trailer at E3. I always take these "leaks" with a grain of salt, but this seems a little too convincing. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I just find it stupid that Bioware/EA would make the same mistake twice.

And I hope this isn't the correct depiction of the storyline and setting because it would make me (and quite a lot of other people it seems) to think twice before getting the new game. Which is a shame.

If this is true, Mass Effect: Next may be the first Bioware game since I started with KOTOR that I may not get. 

[Grieving Natashina]

Yes, but most of all the setting and storyline. Or that it all ends up a ruse and will be debunked with a Milky Way trailer at E3. I always take these "leaks" with a grain of salt, but this seems a little too convincing. 

I'm an odd duck.  I liked the setting and potential storyline.  My red flag is that some of this sounds way too specific to be entirely true.  Not to mention I did agree with some of the posters that noticed the striking similarities between some of the enemy names and Destiny.

 

After experiencing DA:I's development cycle, I refuse to get too worried or attached to any element that is revealed pre-Alpha.  In any case, I think we'll be leaving the Milky Way.

[Vazgen]

I'm an odd duck.  I liked the setting and potential storyline.  My red flag is that some of this sounds way too specific to be entirely true.  Not to mention I did agree with some of the posters that noticed the striking similarities between some of the enemy names and Destiny.

 

After experiencing DA:I's development cycle, I refuse to get too worried or attached to any element that is revealed pre-Alpha.  In any case, I think we'll be leaving the Milky Way.

I just don't see the point. The leak mentions Shepard defeating the Reapers. What is the reason to move to another galaxy? And how it will deal with Synthesis or krogan and geth/quarian choices? I guess they can make the ark ship to leave during the events of the trilogy but there is no technology to allow intergalactic travel at that point. They'll need to retcon and invent lore and I don't see any reason to do that. 

And with new gameplay, lore and technology it might as well be a different game altogether, not "Mass Effect".

[cap and gown]

 

And with new gameplay, lore and technology it might as well be a different game altogether, not "Mass Effect".

 

A Skyrim mod with Mass Effect character models.

[The Elder King]

I just don't see the point. The leak mentions Shepard defeating the Reapers. What is the reason to move to another galaxy? And how it will deal with Synthesis or krogan and geth/quarian choices? I guess they can make the ark ship to leave during the events of the trilogy but there is no technology to allow intergalactic travel at that point. They'll need to retcon and invent lore and I don't see any reason to do that. 
And with new gameplay, lore and technology it might as well be a different game altogether, not "Mass Effect".

Synthesis is one of the main reason why, if the leaks are true, the Ark theory Is likely. I don't think gets and quarians would appear in Andromeda. For the Krogans, I don't Know. They are surely in, Since we already Saw One, but I doubt they'd canonize either status.

[Grieving Natashina]

We could be shown getting ready to leave the Milky Way through one of the areas we didn't explore in ME.  Actually show the trip to the next galaxy in a cutscene or something like that.  Or even better, have a few quests on the ship itself to get to know crew members and also have tutorial stuff.  No matter what high EMS ending someone picks, the relays still work.  

 

I'm betting that while there isn't going to be a canon ending per say, whatever Shep did left the relays intact.  They could keep it vague, something like, "After the Reapers were defeated, we discovered a previously unknown star system in the uncharted areas of the Milky Way. On this planet was a piece of technology that dates back to the time before the Reapers.  We have evidence to suggest that this was built from one of Leviathan's thrall races, and they sacrificed themselves during the first cycle to keep it hidden.  It allows for intergalatic travel and the Council races spent three centuries studying it's effects.  It's been deemed safe and ready to use.  Time to go exploring, because we're mortals and that's how we roll.  N7, move out."  

 

As far as how to deal with the rest of the endings without it sounding empty, no clue.

[JeffZero]

I'd argue retconning and/or inventing lore, if necessary, is a small price to pay in the production staff's minds in order to get away from having to deal with ME3's endings. I'd argue the very notion of the next game(s?) taking place in a separate galaxy is the result of discussions over how best to circumvent all that. 

 

And I'll say what I said ages ago when the notion first started floating around over here: I'm totally fine with it and I prefer it to at least two popular theories, the prequel idea and the "make it a small-scale, highly personal story" idea. But it's going to ruffle many feathers, for sure.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Synthesis is one of the main reason why, if the leaks are true, the Ark theory Is likely. I don't think gets and quarians would appear in Andromeda. For the Krogans, I don't Know. They are surely in, Since we already Saw One, but I doubt they'd canonize either status.

Great, so they may be removing two of my favorite races too? 

[thebatmanreborn]

I don't doubt the survey. I was involved with the e3 trip/interview about your thoughts stuff that went on with DAI. Afterwards, I was asked about attending San Diego Comic Con to check out Mass Effect. I couldn't go (just started a new job at the time. This was two years ago, summer of 2013). I could totally see Bioware having a survey like this. However, these are just concepts. A premise. There is so much that goes into storytelling. You essentially have two groups of writers: outliners and organic. It is not uncommon for a writer to consider a premise and then to write something down on paper in order to poke around the world a bit to see how it feels. I do this with my work. The prologue I wrote for my current novel? i threw that out months ago. The story has gone in a completely different direction. The reason Bioware is doing the survey stuff is probably because they are a bit...cautious after the reception that DA2 and the ending to ME3 received. The internet can be an angry place, sadly. 

 

Nothing to get upset over. I like some of what I read on this concept. My worry, of course, is story. Sounded a little bland, but it also sounded like a story in its conception stage. It hasn't been fully fleshed out yet. I'm still hoping Liara and Garrus will be in the next Mass Effect. 

 

Those are my two cents. 

[Farangbaa]

Please answer these simple questions though:

EA/BW forced the survey uploader to delete, right?
Shinbo sents emails, right?
To who?
In what position are they to confirm any of this? (they gotta be from EA/BW else the confirmation means nothing)
Why the *bleep* would they confirm?

It makes zero sense. Even if the leak is true, that Shinobi is clearly lying.

[The Elder King]

Great, so they may be removing two of my favorite races too?

That's my opinion. Even if They canonize the geth-quarian War as ending peacefully, the geth's presence would automatically invalidate Destroy. Unless They made the quarians re-create them in that scenario.

[Heimdall]

That's my opinion. Even if They canonize the geth-quarian War as ending peacefully, the geth's presence would automatically invalidate Destroy. Unless They made the quarians re-create them in that scenario.

Well, if they follow Ark theory then Quarians (Exiles maybe) could still be around no matter the result of the war. Geth would be a lot harder to justify though.

[Vazgen]

We could be shown getting ready to leave the Milky Way through one of the areas we didn't explore in ME.  Actually show the trip to the next galaxy in a cutscene or something like that.  Or even better, have a few quests on the ship itself to get to know crew members and also have tutorial stuff.  No matter what high EMS ending someone picks, the relays still work.  

 

I'm betting that while there isn't going to be a canon ending per say, whatever Shep did left the relays intact.  They could keep it vague, something like, "After the Reapers were defeated, we discovered a previously unknown star system in the uncharted areas of the Milky Way. On this planet was a piece of technology that dates back to the time before the Reapers.  We have evidence to suggest that this was built from one of Leviathan's thrall races, and they sacrificed themselves during the first cycle to keep it hidden.  It allows for intergalatic travel and the Council races spend three centuries studying it's effects.  It's been deemed safe and ready to use.  Time to go exploring, because we're mortals and that's how we roll.  N7, move out."  

 

As far as how to deal with the rest of the endings without it sounding empty, no clue.

Yeah, like I said, new or retconned lore You see, if we find a new star system, there has to be a relay leading to it. And if there is a relay, it means the Reapers were there. And we barely found anything about the last cycle. To find something from the time before the Reapers is no less unbelievable than discovering Crucible plans on Mars. And I'd rather not start a new Mass Effect game with a leap of faith.

 

I'd argue retconning and/or inventing lore, if necessary, is a small price to pay in the production staff's minds in order to get away from having to deal with ME3's endings. I'd argue the very notion of the next game(s?) taking place in a separate galaxy is the result of discussions over how best to circumvent all that. 

 

And I'll say what I said ages ago when the notion first started floating around over here: I'm totally fine with it and I prefer it to at least two popular theories, the prequel idea and the "make it a small-scale, highly personal story" idea. But it's going to ruffle many feathers, for sure.

Except there are ways to avoid addressing the endings and still have the game in the same galaxy. Like locking away a new portion of the galaxy with a damaged key relay (so the Crucible wave doesn't reach there) or homogenizing the endings in one, or hell, going with the Indoctrination Theory. For all of my dislike of that theory it will be better than made up reasons to avoid dealing with the endings. 

[Grieving Natashina]

That's my opinion. Even if They canonize the geth-quarian War as ending peacefully, the geth's presence would automatically invalidate Destroy. Unless They made the quarians re-create them in that scenario.

That wouldn't bend the lore to far for me, to be honest.  Even if the devs more or less confirm Destroy indirectly in the most sly way possible.  I could see some of the quarians having a lot of remorse for their misunderstanding of the geth, and would try to recreate them.  Maybe not freak out the first time a unit asks if it has a soul.  I know that isn't a popular opinion at all, but it's just that.  My personal opinion.  

[Drone223]

 

Except there are ways to avoid addressing the endings and still have the game in the same galaxy. Like locking away a new portion of the galaxy with a damaged key relay (so the Crucible wave doesn't reach there) or homogenizing the endings in one, or hell, going with the Indoctrination Theory. For all of my dislike of that theory it will be better than made up reasons to avoid dealing with the endings. 

Something like DA: keep would be useful allow players to pick certain choices in game and they import them into the next title.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That's my opinion. Even if They canonize the geth-quarian War as ending peacefully, the geth's presence would automatically invalidate Destroy. Unless They made the quarians re-create them in that scenario.

Unless somehow there were Geth outside the Crucible's blast radius. 

 

They are already devastating the lore by having intergalactic flight be possible, so this wouldn't be questionable anymore. 

[The Elder King]

That wouldn't bend the lore to far for me, to be honest.  Even if the devs more or less confirm Destroy indirectly in the most sly way possible.  I could see some of the quarians having a lot of remorse for their misunderstanding of the geth, and would try to recreate them.  Maybe not freak out the first time a unit asks if it has a soul.  I know that isn't a popular opinion at all, but it's just that.  My personal opinion.  

I wouldn't honestly Mind if They followed this approach. I just think it might be possible They decided to not put All/the Major races in the new game.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Except there are ways to avoid addressing the endings and still have the game in the same galaxy. Like locking away a new portion of the galaxy with a damaged key relay (so the Crucible wave doesn't reach there) or homogenizing the endings in one, or hell, going with the Indoctrination Theory. For all of my dislike of that theory it will be better than made up reasons to avoid dealing with the endings. 

Yeah, at least the Indoctrination Theory wouldn't render the Shepard Trilogy utterly pointless. 

[The Elder King]

Unless somehow there were Geth outside the Crucible's blast radius. 
 
They are already devastating the lore by having intergalactic flight be possible, so this wouldn't be questionable anymore.

Indeed, there are multiple ways To Have both the quarians and the geth in Andromeda. I just think there's the possibility They decided to not include one or both.

[Vazgen]

 

Something like DA: keep would be useful allow players to pick certain choices in game and they import them into the next title.

Speaking of which, the recent announcement of Orbit. They even had Mass Effect concept art in that blog post, the one that can be used for forum background. 

[Grieving Natashina]

I wouldn't honestly Mind if They followed this approach. I just think it might be possible They decided to not put All/the Major races in the new game.

That's what I'm thinking as well.   I know the devs showed off some Krogan concept art for the upcoming ME game, so it seems safe to assume that they are in.  The Asari seems likely, but I could take or leave them.  I like Liara as a character, but her race...yeah, I think I'm good on the Asari as a whole.   That being said, there is a good chance we'll see Liara again, as well as a son of Wrex.  Wrex himself was a very old krogan during the ME series, so I can't see him still be around a few hundred years later.   Those are my guesses at the moment.

[Heimdall]

I wouldn't honestly Mind if They followed this approach. I just think it might be possible They decided to not put All/the Major races in the new game.

Actually that makes me think: if we go with my previous idea of exiled Quarians being on the Ark, those Quarians are usually social outcasts or deviants. Maybe in this new galaxy they might decide to recreate the geth or a new artificial intelligence, maybe that kind of thinking is what got them exiled.