2122 réponses à ce sujet

[Grieving Natashina]

Am I the only one that thinks you guys are being very paranoid at the prospect of the galaxy being erased entirely?

I think the OP is exaggerating.  I haven't seen a lot of people that agreed with that.  The debate has been centered around the idea that, if it isn't in the Milky Way, it doesn't feel like a true ME game.  I'm just absorbing the various view points about that at the moment. I'm in the middle of a ME marathon at the moment, and playing through ME1 again.  After I complete the series again (for only the 4th time,) I'll be able to put some thought in my opinions about that idea.

[LinksOcarina]

I think the OP is exaggerating.  I haven't seen a lot of people that agreed with that.  The debate has been centered around the idea that, if it isn't in the Milky Way, it doesn't feel like a true ME game.  I'm just absorbing the various view points about that at the moment. I'm in the middle of a ME marathon at the moment, and playing through ME1 again.  After I complete the series again (for only the 4th time,) I'll be able to put some thought in my opinions about that idea.

 

Well, the question then should be, what makes Mass Effect, Mass Effect?

 

If it was the Milky Way, then I would agree with the sentiment, but I have a feeling it's more than just the setting. 

[Grieving Natashina]

Well, the question then should be, what makes Mass Effect, Mass Effect?

 

If it was the Milky Way, then I would agree with the sentiment, but I have a feeling it's more than just the setting. 

Same here, which is why I'm holding off forming an opinion for the moment.  It's a damned good question and one that deserves a lot of thought.  I haven't had the years to think about it like some of the other posters have.  It's something I'll keep in mind during this session though.  I am curious about the responses, so long as folks remain civil.  

[Steelcan]

I still find the implication that the ME writers are so gelded that they will run away to a new galaxy to try and side-step the endings issue utterly hilarious

 

or its because the lead writer for Halo 4 is trash

[LinksOcarina]

I still find the implication that the ME writers are so gelded that they will run away to a new galaxy to try and side-step the endings issue utterly hilarious

 

or its because the lead writer for Halo 4 is trash

 

to be fair to Halo 4, it had some pretty decent writing in it.

 

I was a bit more concerned with that games ending more than Mass Effect 3 though...

[Steelcan]

to be fair to Halo 4, it had some pretty decent writing in it.

 

I was a bit more concerned with that games ending more than Mass Effect 3 though...

Halo 4 has one redeeming quality, the incineration cannon is freakin awesome, but beyond that its got no redeeming qualities

[Prince Lex]

I prepared myself a long time ago for the fact that this next Mass Effect is going to be incredibly different to anything we've seen previously. I'm apprehensive about some of the stuff that was mentioned in that survey, but I'm still optimistic. I don't think any of what was mentioned automatically makes the thing terrible. Honestly with the way people are going on here you'd think it's absolutely the worst game ever. I now understand why people avoid BSN XD. Calm the hell down folks.

 

This guy nailed it on the first page:

 

 

 

One thing that i know is the BSN is not a good place to see what is good for a Bioware Game. In neogaf post most of comments say that this is a good approach, same in the Facebook fan page here in Brazil.

 

Truth. The fact is, every time Bioware release a game the BSN goes nuts with utter hatred no matter what they do. I actually think the descriptions mentioned in that survey sound like an upgraded version of ME1 mixed with the good parts of Inquisition (which BSN hated but whatever) with a more nomadic style discovery approach to the story rather than "we r militurry hurr durr" which I'm totally down for. 

 

The way people are going on, you'd think they expected some sort of direct continuation of the trilogy's story, Really? After the lengths they've gone to to stress how different it's going to be, about how it's not going to be anything to do with Shep?

 

And honestly folks, who gives a **** about whether or not the endings are expanded upon or not? It's time for something new. The endings are what they are, and if they even attempted to try to please everyone by honouring that choice in the sequel I don't think they'd produce a decent product at all. People need to get out of the mindset of this being the next part of a story and remember it's new and it's fresh. 

 

It's still going to be Mass Effect. But all it needs to still be Mass Effect is the signature tech/power/combat gameplay, an excellent cast of characters (which Bioware have NEVER failed at, even if the games were disappointing), a space ship, dialogue and well... space.

 

Andromeda... is unnecessary. I don't mind it too much, but I do feel like they laboured the point in the original trilogy that large parts of the Milky Way were unexplored because the Mass Relays dictated where they could go, so I don't see the need to visit our closest galactic neighbour. But I'm not averse to the idea. I'm cautiously optimistic. And the people who are determined to be disappointed by any information that isn't Shepard 2.0 might as well leave the building now, because that ship sailed a long long time ago. 

[felipejiraya]

I really don't care if NME doesn't even mention what happened at the other games or make one ending canon but Andromeda bugs the hell out of me. It's lazy writing (even with heavy doses of "space magic" I'll find it very far-fetched) and ignores the potential that the unexplored portions of the Milky Way still holds.

[Kabooooom]

Halo 4 has one redeeming quality, the incineration cannon is freakin awesome, but beyond that its got no redeeming qualities

I used to consider Halo 4 as you do. But no longer. I didn't understand the extended lore before I played it. Once I did, I came to appreciate Halo 4 for the masterpiece that it actually is.

The writer had an extremely difficult job. Most people dont realize, but the lore of Halo is even deeper and more extensive than the lore of Mass Effect. He had to try to incorporate aspects of the lore from the books into the games to make the Reclaimer saga work, while also appealing to casual gamers simultaneously. Halo isn't like Mass Effect. The Chief can't stop to ask the Librarian a dozen questions about just wtf she is talking about.

All things considered, the story and cinematography of Halo 4 are incredibly well done. The writers and artists did a great job.

I humbly recommend that you read this (it's long). He is a literature student who wrote an extended analysis of Halo 4. It may convince you:

https://haruspis.wor...-analysis-dawn/

[Steelcan]

I used to consider Halo 4 as you do. But no longer. I didn't understand the extended lore before I played it. Once I did, I came to appreciate Halo 4 for the masterpiece that it actually is.

The writer had an extremely difficult job. Most people dont realize, but the lore of Halo is even deeper and more extensive than the lore of Mass Effect. He had to try to incorporate aspects of the lore from the books into the games to make the Reclaimer saga work, while also appealing to casual gamers simultaneously. Halo isn't like Mass Effect. The Chief can't stop to ask the Librarian a dozen questions about just wtf she is talking about.

All things considered, the story and cinematography of Halo 4 are incredibly well done. The writers and artists did a great job.

I humbly recommend that you read this (it's long). He is a literature student who wrote an extended analysis of Halo 4. It may convince you:

https://haruspis.wor...-analysis-dawn/

Halo lore after Halo Reach can go f*ck itself right off a cliff onto a pike

[dreamgazer]

Hm. Wonder how long the Reaper division in Andromeda lets the cycles run.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Hm. Wonder how long the Reaper division in Andromeda lets the cycles run.

Since Andromeda is our neighbor galaxy, either they just left it so we have about 50,000 years or more likely since there are advanced races there Andromeda is next in which case it has a few centuries until the next harvest. 

[Kabooooom]

Halo lore after Halo Reach can go f*ck itself right off a cliff onto a pike

Eh. To each their own. Not a fan of the Forerunner back story I take it?

[Iakus]

Since Andromeda is our neighbor galaxy, either they just left it so we have about 50,000 years or more likely since there are advanced races there Andromeda is next in which case it has a few centuries until the next harvest. 

If they just left it then Andromeda would likely have races at least as advanced as the Leviathans

 

If they harvested there too, well, what was the point of going there?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

If they just left it then Andromeda would likely have races at least as advanced as the Leviathans

 

If they harvested there too, well, what was the point of going there?

I meant just left it as they just finished their harvest there before going to the Milky Way. 

[Steelcan]

Eh. To each their own. Not a fan of the Forerunner back story I take it?

Forerunners, Precursors, and Ancient Astronauts! (who are allied with the San Shuyyum and cured the flood disease!)

Nightfall

the recent comic series

the recent novels (Karen Traviss REALLY?!)

Halo 4 campaign

Spartan Ops

Kai Leng  Sarah Palmer

 

it all needs to just be declared non-canon

[The Arbiter]

It's still subjective. For some people "Mass Effect" was the Mako or planet exploration or the retro sci-fi aesthetic or unlimited ammo, none of which were in the last two games. The borders between "Mass Effect" and "not Mass Effect" are entirely what a person thinks they are.

 

It's silly debating what makes up a series when that varies for each individual. It's sillier to insist that everybody has to accept that a game set in another galaxy wouldn't be "Mass Effect", because some people seem pretty fine with it. Your definition might be different, and that's fine, but there's no point trying to convince everybody else.

I'm fine with Andromeda as long as they restart the franchise... because there is no point of calling it a sequel if it is vaguely connected to the past unknown events of 3. In my humblest opinion they should just hit the restart button of the milkyway and send the N7 dudes to Andromeda along with different volunteer races. But it would be a pain in the arse for bioware to explain mass relays or anything we experienced all over again but I don't know its basically a big pile of rubbish right now that I have a hard time explaining. It is as if some fans don't want to abandon the trilogy at all so they send an ark but the milky-way is now a big black hole of different possibilities we don't know because of the endings at the same time claiming to move forward? I don't even...

[pdusen]

guess they can make the ark ship to leave during the events of the trilogy but there is no technology to allow intergalactic travel at that point. They'll need to retcon and invent lore and I don't see any reason to do that. 

Really? No technology anywhere? Why would you assume that we have perfect knowledge of everything that exists everywhere in the setting of the Trilogy?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Really? No technology anywhere? Why would you assume that we have perfect knowledge of everything that exists everywhere in the setting of the Trilogy?

Because said trilogy tells us that the Reapers destroy any technology that can give the cycles an edge against them. Intergalactic travel is such an edge. 

[The Elder King]

Because said trilogy tells us that the Reapers destroy any technology that can give the cycles an edge against them. Intergalactic travel is such an edge.

If They find it though. They didn't find Ilos.
I'm not Saying that it wouldn't be awfully convenient that technology to travel in other galaxies pops out of nowhere, but the Reapers aren't perfect.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

If They find it though. They didn't find Ilos.
I'm not Saying that it wouldn't be awfully convenient that technology to travel in other galaxies pops out of nowhere, but the Reapers aren't perfect.

True. They didn't find the Crucible plans either. But it is really getting to the point of rediculousness is there was yet another uberplan that the Reapers missed. Just makes them look incompetent. That happened enough in ME3. 

 

And even if they did, how to justify it. The Eezo core would have to be the size of a star to get a ship to another galaxy. Nothing in the Mass Effect lore, not even the stuff the Reapers made, is at that scale. But it is just expected to be believed that this cycle built it? 

[MrFob]

Really? No technology anywhere? Why would you assume that we have perfect knowledge of everything that exists everywhere in the setting of the Trilogy?

 

Well, they sure would have to come up with some weird reason to get you there. The Andromeda galaxy is approximately 2.5 million light years away from ours.

IIRC, Even the reapers could only fly at a speed of about 30 ly/day so traveling there would take just under 230 years (and that's with FTL running all the time and keep in mind, that's reapers, organics can only do about half that speed). Now, even if you put everyone into stasis, the problem is that in dark space, there is nothing, so you can't discharge your drive core (which is already a problem when flying between clusters).

So conventionally, there is really no way to get there.

 

I bet, they'd pull a Stargate Atlantis or we just conveniently find a remnant portal or some other lame explanation like that.

It would fit with what I came to expect from the ME writing team but I am always happy to be positively surprised of course.

[The Elder King]

True. They didn't find the Crucible plans either. But it is really getting to the point of rediculousness is there was yet another uberplan that the Reapers missed. Just makes them look incompetent. That happened enough in ME3. 
 
And even if they did, how to justify it. The Eezo core would have to be the size of a star to get a ship to another galaxy. Nothing in the Mass Effect lore, not even the stuff the Reapers made, is at that scale. But it is just expected to be believed that this cycle built it?

Wait, weren't the plans for the Crucible left behind in purpose by the Catalyst/Reapers? Though I didn't play ME3 in a long time, so I might Probably remembering if wrong.
It Seems strange, indeed. Though it wouldn't be the first time resolved something with 'space magic'.

[MrMrPendragon]

Wait, weren't the plans for the Crucible left behind in purpose by the Catalyst/Reapers? Though I didn't play ME3 in a long time, so I might Probably remembering if wrong.
It Seems strange, indeed. Though it wouldn't be the first time resolved something with 'space magic'.

 

The way I saw it was they knew about the Crucible but not the improvement the Protheans made. As in, they knew exactly what kind of weapon the Crucible was, back when the previous cycles were building it, but they figured it wouldn't be able to harm them, since there was no way of dispensing that energy.

 

What they didn't know is that the Protheans totally screwed up everything - from the Keepers activating the Citadel, to upgrading the Crucible to incorporate the Citadel as a targeting mechanism.

[Drone223]

Well, they sure would have to come up with some weird reason to get you there. The Andromeda galaxy is approximately 2.5 million light years away from ours.
IIRC, Even the reapers could only fly at a speed of about 30 ly/day so traveling there would take just under 230 years (and that's with FTL running all the time and keep in mind, that's reapers, organics can only do about half that speed). Now, even if you put everyone into stasis, the problem is that in dark space, there is nothing, so you can't discharge your drive core (which is already a problem when flying between clusters).
So conventionally, there is really no way to get there.

Add to that there is no way for such a project to go unnoticed by the galaxy at large especially the shadow broker. You also have the logistical issues of the project itself. It'll be a nightmare to get all the nessary resources to pull it off and there can be no room for error, one minor mistake and the ark project would be doomed before it even completes its mission. Given the current technological capabilities of the galaxy it's unlikely they'll be able to pull off such a project too many things could go wrong and if something does go wrong there may be nothing they can do about it.