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[LinksOcarina]

Well, they sure would have to come up with some weird reason to get you there. The Andromeda galaxy is approximately 2.5 million light years away from ours.

IIRC, Even the reapers could only fly at a speed of about 30 ly/day so traveling there would take just under 230 years (and that's with FTL running all the time and keep in mind, that's reapers, organics can only do about half that speed). Now, even if you put everyone into stasis, the problem is that in dark space, there is nothing, so you can't discharge your drive core (which is already a problem when flying between clusters).

So conventionally, there is really no way to get there.

 

I bet, they'd pull a Stargate Atlantis or we just conveniently find a remnant portal or some other lame explanation like that.

It would fit with what I came to expect from the ME writing team but I am always happy to be positively surprised of course.

 

Not only is that most likely, I bet we saw it already in those screenshots. I also bet it's another Mass Effect relay instead of a portal, so it will fit in the universe in some form at least.

[Pasquale1234]

You can count me in as enjoying the Mako missions too.  I even have a theme song for it: "Little Blue Dune Buggy" by Presidents of the United States of America.  

Those Mako missions are a lot of what got me invested in the series in the first place.

The variety of soil types, terrain, climates, weather - looking up at the sky and seeing multiple suns, moons, etc. - really helped get me immersed in the feeling of exploring other alien worlds.

The return of exploration and Mako v2.0 is probably my favorite feature of ME:N.

[MrFob]

Those Mako missions are a lot of what got me invested in the series in the first place.

The variety of soil types, terrain, climates, weather - looking up at the sky and seeing multiple suns, moons, etc. - really helped get me immersed in the feeling of exploring other alien worlds.

The return of exploration and Mako v2.0 is probably my favorite feature of ME:N.

 

True. I also liked that the planet surfaces corresponded to the Galaxy Map descriptions pretty well. I hope they keep it up and don't just randomize everything.

[themikefest]

I have to admitt I like the Mako only after I got ME1 for the ps3. When I played ME1 on pc, driving the Mako was a pain using a mouse and keyboard

[dreamgazer]

Driving the Mako with a controller reminds me of zipping around with one of those (clunky) off-road RC trucks from my younger years.

Here's hoping MEWhatever captures the same spirit, perhaps even better.

[Grieving Natashina]

True. I also liked that the planet surfaces corresponded to the Galaxy Map descriptions pretty well. I hope they keep it up and don't just randomize everything.

I'm looking forward to the new codex.  I loved that about ME.  Some planets have only a few lines, others give big clues about the upcoming story (such as the Leviathan of Dis.)  That feels, I don't know, realistic to me. 

[The Elder King]

I really hope I can be again a real sniper like in ME. I really missed that in the other games.

[Drone223]

That's like saying the Lazarus Project was foreshadowed by someone in ME1 saying that medical science has improved since the 20th century.

IMO, the point of an IP is that things evolve naturally. Ideally, that's why you keep adding new stories to one and the same universe (and not just for the extra cash, the name gets you). Otherwise, you might just make a new one entirely each time. Whenever things do not evolve naturally from each other, it creates a jarring experience for the audience (some take that harder than others, unfortunately, I take it fairly hard).

I am not disputing that the writers can come up with some plot that brings us to Andromeda. I am also not saying that a new game in Andromeda has to be bad. For all I know it may be fantastic. My problem is simply with the one point that there is no established basis from which a story could evolve that gets us there at all. If the writers want us to get there, they will do it but they will have to fight their own lore in a way. They will have to come up with a whole lot of new tech and at the same time invalidate or counter some established facts that run contrary to the premise.
That is what happened with Lazaruus, that is what happened with Cerberus, that is what happened with the crucible and that is what happened with the catalyst.
All of those were foreshadowed in a way but that did not change the fact that they were not based in the established lore but -in fact - ran counter to it in many ways. Of course, the writers have the last word, so they can come up with reasons but you will notice that all the above cases were labeled by the audience with terms like "space magic" or "retcon" and this was not without reason because they too did not evolve, they just happened.

As BW has not evolved inter-galactic travel either, I am afraid we will start off right where we left in ME3 in terms of lore consistency and it was not a great place IMO. Of course, this assumes the rumors are true and also, as I said, I always hope to be positively surprised. All I am saying is that this premise does not bode well for a story anchor that I will find believable and as they say, the first impression counts a lot.

Agreed a story shouldn't be built upon contrivances and poorly developed/none existent concepts in the lore which ark theory has a lot of. The ME series already has too many of these.

[Sion1138]

I do look forward to seeing how the ships get to Andromeda and the kind of star cluster Helius is going to be, so that I can complain about the science.

[goishen]

I do look forward to seeing how the ships get to Andromeda and the kind of star cluster Helius is going to be, so that I can complain about the science.

 

 

And, just to build on this...   We don't even know if there are 1) capture-able ships in space or 2) what other kinds of ships are going to be in space.

[LinksOcarina]

And, just to build on this...   We don't even know if there are 1) capture-able ships in space or 2) what other kinds of ships are going to be in space.

 

I bet it's an inactive Mass Relay that they start operating again of some kind. Got to remember how the relay's work.

 

There are two kinds of mass relay, primary and secondary. Primary relays can propel a ship thousands of light years but only link to one other relay, its "partner". Secondary relays can link to any other relay over shorter distances, only a few hundred light years. After the Rachni Wars, space faring species won't open a primary relay without knowing where it links to, in case they run into another powerful and hostile species like the rachni. This caused a rift when the turians found human pioneers, ignorant of this Citadel Council prohibition, trying to open any mass relay they could find while exploring the relay network, eventually leading to the First Contact War.

 

 

So I guarantee the council might do a revival of relay opening, hence the Pathfinder initiative. After all, they never stated how long after Mass Effect 3 the game takes place, we have some vague numbers of a few hundred years later I believe. 

[katamuro]

Whatever they do to justify leaving the milky way galaxy, whatever new techno-magic babble they invent, even it its something simple as an intergalactic relay it still means they are going to abandon the milky way, completely, just leave it hanging as if nothing done mattered at all. Unless they go into some details while explaining the end of ME3 and what happened next. Otherwise its going to be just a game inspired by ME. 

[The Arbiter]

Whatever they do to justify leaving the milky way galaxy, whatever new techno-magic babble they invent, even it its something simple as an intergalactic relay it still means they are going to abandon the milky way, completely, just leave it hanging as if nothing done mattered at all. Unless they go into some details while explaining the end of ME3 and what happened next. Otherwise its going to be just a game inspired by ME.

About time you showed up man... I was beginning to think that when the leak came out...well... you decided to just abandon the franchise xD

[7twozero]

Whatever they do to justify leaving the milky way galaxy, whatever new techno-magic babble they invent, even it its something simple as an intergalactic relay it still means they are going to abandon the milky way, completely, just leave it hanging as if nothing done mattered at all. Unless they go into some details while explaining the end of ME3 and what happened next. Otherwise its going to be just a game inspired by ME.

That's a ridiculous argument and we all know it. Something is over and done with, but not to your satisfaction? I guess it never meant anything at all!! Bsn sure is prone to using the most infantile arguments.

[Drone223]

Whatever they do to justify leaving the milky way galaxy, whatever new techno-magic babble they invent, even it its something simple as an intergalactic relay it still means they are going to abandon the milky way, completely, just leave it hanging as if nothing done mattered at all. Unless they go into some details while explaining the end of ME3 and what happened next. Otherwise its going to be just a game inspired by ME. 

To be fair I'm okay with exploring another galaxy as long a its in a future title and the Milky Way isn't abandon completely. But other than that I agree with you leaving the milky way forever is a huge no no.

[katamuro]

About time you showed up man... I was beginning to think that when the leak came out...well... you decided to just abandon the franchise xD

 

No I didnt, just was a bit too busy doing other things. 

 

That's a ridiculous argument and we all know it. Something is over and done with, but not to your satisfaction? I guess it never meant anything at all!! Bsn sure is prone to using the most infantile arguments.

 

Infantile? I am going to let that pass since you didn't understand the meaning of what I wrote. Let me explain it to you in the words that you can understand. 

New galaxy=old galaxy does not matter, old galaxy does not matter=no reason to go back to it ever, new galaxy, new aliens, new pretty much everything is a different game, the only parts that left of ME is the title and probably the technology. I like continuous, traceable lore and history within games especially in games which aspire to have it like ME did before. 

And really from what has been leaked if its true then really it could have been called anything. It could have been called Mass Age or Space Dragon Effect, it wouldn't change a thing in the game. Its not just a start of a new trilogy or anything like that its a major departure from everything that we have known up until now in the entire franchise. Some people like that I get it. Pretty much the only reason why it would be called Mass Effect is that people know and recognise the name and because they are still going to use the basic technology principle. 

[AresKeith]

A new galaxy does not automatically mean the old one didn't matter

 

Why people are so hung up over that I'll never know

[Heimdall]

A new galaxy does not automatically mean the old one didn't matter
 
Why people are so hung up over that I'll never know

It seems to be a common reaction, but one that makes no sense to me whatsoever.
 

What, is it like an infant that thinks his mother has ceased to exist because he can't see her?

[katamuro]

It seems to be a common reaction, but one that makes no sense to me whatsoever.
 

What, is it like an infant that thinks his mother has ceased to exist because he can't see her?

 

Because the games wont go back. They are not going to remember some 10 years from now when they have finished another trilogy based in andromeda galaxy that way back in 2012 they had a game that ended in the milky way galaxy and that it might still be possible to return to it. Games are not books where an author might pick it up later where he left off, not even like a movie with the Star Wars 7 basically cancelling nearly everything in the past 30 years of SW. ME never had that much popularity for them to bother with coming back. If ME even survives past the 10 years and doesnt just end up getting swept away under a rug. 

Hence, new galaxy=old galaxy might as well not exist. Its not rocket science. You are thinking only as a consumer, but for both developers and especially publishers going back is only worth it if the following is big enough, and sadly ME is not that big. Plus with how it was left it is much harder to go back then simply start off in a new place and continue on from then. 

[CronoDragoon]

Hence, new galaxy=old galaxy might as well not exist. Its not rocket science. You are thinking only as a consumer, but for both developers and especially publishers going back is only worth it if the following is big enough, and sadly ME is not that big. Plus with how it was left it is much harder to go back then simply start off in a new place and continue on from then. 

 

Every specific setting that isn't getting a new entry doesn't matter anymore?

[AresKeith]

Because the games wont go back. They are not going to remember some 10 years from now when they have finished another trilogy based in andromeda galaxy that way back in 2012 they had a game that ended in the milky way galaxy and that it might still be possible to return to it. Games are not books where an author might pick it up later where he left off, not even like a movie with the Star Wars 7 basically cancelling nearly everything in the past 30 years of SW. ME never had that much popularity for them to bother with coming back. If ME even survives past the 10 years and doesnt just end up getting swept away under a rug. 

Hence, new galaxy=old galaxy might as well not exist. Its not rocket science. You are thinking only as a consumer, but for both developers and especially publishers going back is only worth it if the following is big enough, and sadly ME is not that big. Plus with how it was left it is much harder to go back then simply start off in a new place and continue on from then. 

 

Or she's thinking as someone who knows that Bioware pretty much wrote themselves into a corner with the endings

[Heimdall]

Because the games wont go back. They are not going to remember some 10 years from now when they have finished another trilogy based in andromeda galaxy that way back in 2012 they had a game that ended in the milky way galaxy and that it might still be possible to return to it. Games are not books where an author might pick it up later where he left off, not even like a movie with the Star Wars 7 basically cancelling nearly everything in the past 30 years of SW. ME never had that much popularity for them to bother with coming back. If ME even survives past the 10 years and doesnt just end up getting swept away under a rug. 

Hence, new galaxy=old galaxy might as well not exist. Its not rocket science. You are thinking only as a consumer, but for both developers and especially publishers going back is only worth it if the following is big enough, and sadly ME is not that big. Plus with how it was left it is much harder to go back then simply start off in a new place and continue on from then. 

...Yeah, still makes no sense.  By that logic, the whole trilogy might as well have not existed if it ended at ME3, because there would be no continuation.

 

The attitude that something doesn't matter unless it appears in the sequel is something that has pervaded the fanbases of both ME and DA, and it still doesn't make sense.  The old trilogy happened, it mattered then, why has it ceased to matter now just because it isn't in the spotlight?  I remember the trilogy fondly, I'll keep it in a nice little box right next to my new Mass Effect box.  Both matter, they're two parts of the same universe.  One does not cancel out the other.

[AresKeith]

Every specific setting that isn't getting a new entry doesn't matter anymore?

 

...Yeah, still makes no sense.  By that logic, the whole trilogy might as well have not existed if it ended at ME3, because there would be no continuation.

 

The attitude that something doesn't matter unless it appears in the sequel is something that has pervaded the fanbases of both ME and DA, and it still doesn't make sense.  The old trilogy happened, it mattered then, why has it ceased to matter now just because it isn't in the spotlight?  I remember the trilogy fondly, I'll keep it in a nice little box right next to my new Mass Effect box.  Both matter, they're two parts of the same universe.  One does not cancel out the other.

 

I wonder if people think the HoF doesn't matter because their not the protag anymore

[Heimdall]

I wonder if people think the HoF doesn't matter because their not the protag anymore

Some people do.

[ZoliCs]

Or she's thinking as someone who knows that Bioware pretty much wrote themselves into a corner with the endings

 

Tbh it's not really Bioware's fault. Mass Effect is a trilogy with overarcing plot, vast lore, hundreds of choices and thousands of variables. They had 3 choice, 1: Make choices not matter in the end (basically a canon ending), Leave the ending open or do what they've done.

First one would've been awful imo, I rather have my choices matter within a trilogy and not every game in the franchise than not matter at all.

The second one is bad too, you can't just leave a trilogy open.

 

It's just basic story writing. Stuff have to end eventually.