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[Pasquale1234]

That's practically starting a new franchise, which is not the case here, if I am correct. You couldn't call it Harry Potter could you?

No, of course not - but then, it was called "Mass Effect", not "Commander Shepard's Adventures in the Milky Way".

In the several threads about this, I've seen some complaints repeated over and over again:

-- They're throwing the whole trilogy away. (Harry Potter still exists, and you can reread his stories anytime)
-- Nothing we did in the trilogy matters. (Harry still did all of the things the original series said he did)
-- They're wasting the potential that still exists in The Milky Way (Maybe Rowling has already told all the stories she wanted to tell in Harry's locale)

And I knew when I posted that someone would pick it apart.

[Balkankerverkoper]

I don't see the point of calling it Mass Effect if the only overlap is it being a space sci-fi.

[CronoDragoon]

I don't see the point of calling it Mass Effect if the only overlap is it being a space sci-fi.

...ignoring the same races, lore, combat, dialogue/companion structure?

[ZoliCs]

...ignoring the same races, lore, combat, dialogue/companion structure?

 

Add in the art, technology and possibly music as well.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

...ignoring the same races, lore, combat, dialogue/companion structure?

Well, this new game ignores the lore as well, making things that it establishes as impossible with current tech to suddenly be possible because reasons. 

[CronoDragoon]

Well, this new game ignores the lore as well, making things that it establishes as impossible with current tech to suddenly be possible because reasons.

It ignores one part of the lore (if in fact it does. Considering none of us know the specifics it's amusing that this is being proclaimed already). This isn't a binary designation, where something either ignores the lore or doesn't. If that were the case, neither ME2 nor ME3 are Mass Effect games.

I realize some hardcore ME1 fans subscribe to that view anyway, but I don't consider it one worth debating.

[pdusen]

Well, this new game ignores the lore as well, making things that it establishes as impossible with current tech to suddenly be possible because reasons. 

 

First, you have no idea what this game does and doesn't do, so stop acting like you do.

 

Second, you don't have perfect knowledge of every kind of tech that currently exists in the ME universe, and neither does any NPC you've ever spoken to, so stop acting like you do.

 

If you're going to complain constantly, at least try to find something valid to complain about.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

First, you have no idea what this game does and doesn't do, so stop acting like you do.

 

Second, you don't have perfect knowledge of every kind of tech that currently exists in the ME universe, and neither does any NPC you've ever spoken to, so stop acting like you do.

 

If you're going to complain constantly, at least try to find something valid to complain about.

I know the leak suggests it goes to another galaxy. 

 

We know that the tech has limits from things like the Codex. 

 

Just because you're willing to handwave it away doesn't mean it isn't a valid complaint. 

[dreamgazer]

I have objections to fleeing to Andromeda, but "it won't feel like a Mass Effect game" isn't (currently) one of them. If they deliver character development between familiar races, branching dialogue options that give the PC agency, atmospheric music while exploring new locations, similar combat mechanics and tech usage, and overall plot relevance, I have no problem believing that this combo:





or this combo:





Or this combo:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAJqAMBfJ74

... would feel like Mass Effect.

[pdusen]

I know the leak suggests it goes to another galaxy. 

 

We know that the tech has limits from things like the Codex. 

 

Just because you're willing to handwave it away doesn't mean it isn't a valid complaint. 

 

You know that it goes there (assuming the leak is legit), but you don't know how.

 

Codeces are written in-universe. You know what their writers knew, and they don't have perfect knowledge either.

 

Acknowledging that I don't know everything is not handwaving.

 

Your complaint is not valid because it rests on the assumption that we know everything, which we don't.

[Nitrocuban]

ME1+ME2 Codex also says all Protheans are dead and yet we have one on the Normandy alive and well in ME3.

Who knows what ME4 codex will tell us?

[LinksOcarina]

Well, this new game ignores the lore as well, making things that it establishes as impossible with current tech to suddenly be possible because reasons. 

 

How?

 

You don't even know what time period you are in yet in this game.

[Vortex13]

I have objections to fleeing to Andromeda, but "it won't feel like a Mass Effect game" isn't (currently) one of them. If they deliver character development between familiar races, branching dialogue options that give the PC agency, atmospheric music while exploring new locations, similar combat mechanics and tech usage, and overall plot relevance, I have no problem believing that this combo:

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... would feel like Mass Effect.

 

 

Same here. I don't like the idea of moving the game to Andromeda, but I am willing to concede that BioWare needed to travel outside the Milky Way thanks to the all encompassing endings there. I will say that what does worry me is the prospect of losing the faces that make Mass Effect, Mass Effect.

 

 

I am not talking about specific companions, but the races that comprised the setting. The Salarians, the Batarians, the Rachni, etc. they all helped add that distinctive flair to the game, and I don't want to loose anyone in the transition. Obviously, the popular races are going to make the journey, but even the minor races are important to the universe (IMO), and I would argue that 'alien' species like the Rachni need to make it into the new title if for no other reason than to ensure that not everyone is a human or a human wearing a rubber suit.

 

 

BioWare can and will give us new races to explore in Andromeda, but how many of them are going to be rehashes of existing races? How likely will another 'alien' alien be added to the setting? Because (IMO) BioWare doesn't have the best track record when it comes to adding alien/'other' elements to an existing franchise as it goes on.

[CronoDragoon]

I don't have the survey info in front of me, but is there anything that mandates ARKCON being specifically a response to the Reapers? Could it simply be an expedition to colonize the Milky Way that accidentally stumbles onto a wormhole?

[ElitePinecone]

I don't have the survey info in front of me, but is there anything that mandates ARKCON being specifically a response to the Reapers? Could it simply be an expedition to colonize the Milky Way that accidentally stumbles onto a wormhole?

 

It doesn't indicate how or why humans or any other Milky Way species ended up in Andromeda, no...

 

I think people are assuming it's an ark because of Aaryn Flynn's comments on repopulation from a small genetic base, and "ARKCON", but it could still be anything really.

 

I'd tend to think it probably won't be an accidental expedition passing through a wormhole though, because as someone said what are the odds that all those species would be together on the one ship in large enough numbers to be sustainable? 

[CronoDragoon]

It doesn't indicate how or why humans or any other Milky Way species ended up in Andromeda, no...

 

I think people are assuming it's an ark because of Aaryn Flynn's comments on repopulation from a small genetic base, and "ARKCON", but it could still be anything really.

 

I'd tend to think it probably won't be an accidental expedition passing through a wormhole though, because as someone said what are the odds that all those species would be together on the one ship in large enough numbers to be sustainable? 

 

Well, as someone pointed out there's more than one ship (the leak mentions the krogan have their own ship, I think) but if the expedition is for the purpose of colonizing unexplored Milky Way areas, then the odds are probably around 100% that they'd have sustainable populations.

 

Still, it seems hard to believe that something besides utter annihilation otherwise would convince the Council to let the krogan come along.

[The Elder King]

Well, as someone pointed out there's more than one ship (the leak mentions the krogan have their own ship, I think) but if the expedition is for the purpose of colonizing unexplored Milky Way areas, then the odds are probably around 100% that they'd have sustainable populations.
 
Still, it seems hard to believe that something besides utter annihilation otherwise would convince the Council to let the krogan come along.

Yup, the leak mentions a krogan colony ship, with Apparently a colony as well.

[ZoliCs]

I don't have the survey info in front of me, but is there anything that mandates ARKCON being specifically a response to the Reapers? Could it simply be an expedition to colonize the Milky Way that accidentally stumbles onto a wormhole?

 

No, but the most logical time when the Ark leaves would be after Thessia and before Sanctuary/Cronos Station. That way the Crucible has no affect on them, they can take any race they want (only the Rachni, the Geth, and the Quarians are iffy), and it makes most sense story wise since at that point success is the most unlikely in ME3.

[Iakus]

Yup, the leak mentions a krogan colony ship, with Apparently a colony as well.

Which is already iffy since they can still be suffering from the genophage and potentially have nearly all their fertile females wiped out.

[The Elder King]

Which is already iffy since they can still be suffering from the genophage and potentially have nearly all their fertile females wiped out.

I know. I do wonder what they did With the krogans. We do know they'll be in though.

[Iakus]

No, of course not - but then, it was called "Mass Effect", not "Commander Shepard's Adventures in the Milky Way".

In the several threads about this, I've seen some complaints repeated over and over again:

-- They're throwing the whole trilogy away. (Harry Potter still exists, and you can reread his stories anytime)
-- Nothing we did in the trilogy matters. (Harry still did all of the things the original series said he did)
-- They're wasting the potential that still exists in The Milky Way (Maybe Rowling has already told all the stories she wanted to tell in Harry's locale)

And I knew when I posted that someone would pick it apart.

The first two points I actually agree with you.  Mass Effect=/=Shepard or the Reapers.  

 

But the third point I do disagree, quite strongly.  This would be like if Rowling set a book in the Harry Potter "universe" but set it on Mars, regardless of whether or not that even makes sense.  Overlooking all the other places on Earth as somehow uninteresting or lacking in storytelling potential.

[ZoliCs]

Which is already iffy since they can still be suffering from the genophage and potentially have nearly all their fertile females wiped out.

 

They can still cure the Genophage in Andromeda.

[CronoDragoon]

The first two points I actually agree with you.  Mass Effect=/=Shepard or the Reapers.  

 

But the third point I do disagree, quite strongly.  This would be like if Rowling set a book in the Harry Potter "universe" but set it on Mars, regardless of whether or not that even makes sense.  Overlooking all the other places on Earth as somehow uninteresting or lacking in storytelling potential.

 

This all sort of misses why this franchise is moving from England to Mars in the first place, though (because they can't set anything on Earth anymore due to how the Harry Potter series ended, hypothetically).

 

There would be plenty of stories left to tell in the Milky Way if ME3 had just let the Crucible destroy the Reapers.

[Iakus]

 

There would be plenty of stories left to tell in the Milky Way if ME3 had just let the Crucible destroy the Reapers.

Which is why I think the ending should be retconned to some degree.

 

No not into MEHEM, or MEHEM-lite even.  

 

but since ME3 was clearly meant to end the series, and further games, at least set postwar were not intended, i think creating a "noncanon canon" which is not Red, Blue, Green, IT, MEHEM, Marauder Shields, or anything else, to get everyone to the same starting point would solve that problem.

 

I know, some people may howl that "my choices didn't matter"  But ya know what, I am perfectly comfortable playing a male Exile in KOTOR 2 knowing that's not canon.  What's important is my choices mattering in the game the choice takes place in