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[Iakus]

They can still cure the Genophage in Andromeda.

And here I thought the point of moving to Andromeda was so "our choices mattered" 

[CronoDragoon]

And here I thought the point of moving to Andromeda was so "our choices mattered" 

 

It mattered in the game you made the choice in.

[Pasquale1234]

This all sort of misses why this franchise is moving from England to Mars in the first place, though (because they can't set anything on Earth anymore due to how the Harry Potter series ended, hypothetically).
 
There would be plenty of stories left to tell in the Milky Way if ME3 had just let the Crucible destroy the Reapers.

It would take a bit more than that, wouldn't it?

The player made several other choices that had a major impact on the fate of some species.

[Iakus]

It mattered in the game you made the choice in.

 

Indeed it did.

 

But apparently RGB is important enough to "respect" going into the new series.  but the genophage isn't.  Hmmm....

[CronoDragoon]

It would take a bit more than that, wouldn't it?

The player made several other choices that had a major impact on the fate of some species.

 

Yeah, but you could at least do a sort of "frontier" exploration within the Milky Way. I don't really see the point of that instead of a new galaxy, but the reason you can't do the Milky Way anywhere is because of the Crucible.

 

Indeed it did.

 

But apparently RGB is important enough to "respect" going into the new series.  but the genophage isn't.  Hmmm....

 

Screw the krogan.

[Pasquale1234]

Which is why I think the ending should be retconned to some degree.
 
No not into MEHEM, or MEHEM-lite even.  
 
but since ME3 was clearly meant to end the series, and further games, at least set postwar were not intended, i think creating a "noncanon canon" which is not Red, Blue, Green, IT, MEHEM, Marauder Shields, or anything else, to get everyone to the same starting point would solve that problem.
 
I know, some people may howl that "my choices didn't matter"  But ya know what, I am perfectly comfortable playing a male Exile in KOTOR 2 knowing that's not canon.  What's important is my choices mattering in the game the choice takes place in

Apparently, the whole carried over world state thing is mighty important to a lot of people. So much so that BioWare makes promises wrt "no canon".

It's fine with me - I would prefer it, actually - if the consequences for any choice you're given is confined to the game in which you make it. Some of the choices within the trilogy ended up handwaved. I mean, I liked thinking that Wrex was willing to stick his neck out to help Grunt because of the friendship and respect w/ Shepard, but Wreav also helps, which makes it less meaningful imho. No Legion? You get a new geth VI.

[ZoliCs]

And here I thought the point of moving to Andromeda was so "our choices mattered" 

I knew you gona say that. You choice mattered because it affected the Milky Way...Seriously are you really this thick or just trolling?

[wolfhowwl]

Which is why I think the ending should be retconned to some degree.

 

No not into MEHEM, or MEHEM-lite even.  

 

but since ME3 was clearly meant to end the series, and further games, at least set postwar were not intended, i think creating a "noncanon canon" which is not Red, Blue, Green, IT, MEHEM, Marauder Shields, or anything else, to get everyone to the same starting point would solve that problem.

 

I know, some people may howl that "my choices didn't matter"  But ya know what, I am perfectly comfortable playing a male Exile in KOTOR 2 knowing that's not canon.  What's important is my choices mattering in the game the choice takes place in

 

They could just go with Destroy. The Geth's story arc is finished anyways.

[Iakus]

I knew you gona say that. You choice mattered because it affected the Milky Way...Seriously are you really this thick or just trolling?

 

It affected the krogan.  If we're going to handwave away choices like that so easily, why leave the Milky Way at all?

They could just go with Destroy. The Geth's story arc is finished anyways.

 

that would lead to cries of favoritism.  if an outcome has to be canonized, I'd go with something unique, not achievable through ME3's base game or modding one of the game's outcomes (like MEHEM)

[ZoliCs]

It affected the krogan.  If we're going to handwave away choices like that so easily, why leave the Milky Way at all?

 

Sigh.

 

Depending on your choices the Krogan can either be cured, still have the Genophage, or be extinct in the Milky Way. And they stay that way whether they are cured in Andromeda or not. They could have wings and pink feathers in Andromeda for all it matters, that doesn't change the fact that in the Milky Way they are what your choices made them.

 

If you can't comprehend this concept then go back to school.

[Grieving Natashina]

I'm not stepping too deep into this, but I've seen folks that have stated that prefer other endings support Destroy as a canon ending.  I've watched the same folks that debated about why they love synthesis and the validity of their choice mention that they would be okay with high EMS Destroy.  Screw any cries of "favoritism."  I'd love to see a poll of this.  As I've mentioned before, the ME team needs to start enforcing some of their own canon.  Let Control and Synthesis be the results of an alternative reality, or Star Grandad drunk off of wine, or Shepard's biographer getting bored.  

 

I know that it's too late, but I wish BioWare had just bitten the bullet and make Destroy canon.  That would have been a great way to move the series forward.  Shepard's story is done, I know that.  I'm fine with the next member of N7 carving a place in history.  However, I suppose I would have preferred to be apart of the cleanup and seen the aftermath a few (like 2-5) years later.  I think that's the part that bothers me the most.  I'm open-minded about leaving the galaxy, because I refuse to be as hurt or angry or frustrated as some of the posters are in here about this.  I also think that a bloody galaxy does not a Mass Effect game make, but that's just my opinion.  Some of the screenshots I've seen could have been any galaxy.

 

 Yet, I can understand why they are getting frustrated.  I don't think they want Shepard 2.0, they just want to find out what happened to the Milky Way.  Even if my idea about something coming in from Andromeda is correct; even if we don't actually leave the galaxy until the End Game, I'm still going to be a bit bummed that I won't know what happened with the Reapers.  Well, obviously I do (it's whatever ending I picked,) but the new N7 player character might not have more than a vague answer given to them at best.  

[goishen]

It just doesn't make sense to move from an all encompassing threat to a Dirty harry movie on the Citadel.   It would feel like a let down, to me at least.

[Grieving Natashina]

It just doesn't make sense to move from an all encompassing threat to a Dirty harry movie on the Citadel.   It would feel like a let down, to me at least.

Well, unless they were going to ramp it up from a galactic threat to the entire universe being danger, some scaling down was bound to happen.  After the Reapers in ME and the Breach in DA:I, I fine with a smaller hero's journey.   Besides, they could start small and end with something really big.

 

Heck, think about the way that ME1 started.  You were a commander on a ship being sent to investigate a small dig site in a beautiful place called Eden Prime ("They say it's a paradise.")  You were also being evaluated to join a special ops group based on your service record.   You get there, and I think running into a few angry robots and techo-zombies isn't that big.  The player has no way of knowing that the big ship taking off (Sovereign) is anything more than some alien mothership.  I managed to keep myself mostly spoiler free, so I didn't know I was looking at a Reaper when I first played ME last year.  Pretty standard techno-fantasy stuff, nothing that implies "end of all life as we know it."   It's only once Shep receives the Beacon that things get real and even then it doesn't appear extremely galaxy shaking until Virmire.  When Ilos starts near the end of the game, it becomes clear that this galactic threat isn't exaggerated and it really is a matter of survival for all organic life in the Milky Way.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

You know that it goes there (assuming the leak is legit), but you don't know how.

 

Codeces are written in-universe. You know what their writers knew, and they don't have perfect knowledge either.

 

Acknowledging that I don't know everything is not handwaving.

 

Your complaint is not valid because it rests on the assumption that we know everything, which we don't.

I know no matter how, it goes against what they established. The only way I am even willing to humor is a wormhole. 

 

The writers of the Codex know what they are capable of, and intergalactic travel is not one of those. 

 

We'll never know everything since we don't work at Bioware. We aren't there for every meeting, hearing every word. 

 

How?

 

You don't even know what time period you are in yet in this game.

If it takes place before or during the Reaper War, we don't have the technology thus it reaks the lore. 

If it takes place after the Reaper War, the endings would have to be addressed thus ruining the point. 

[Iakus]

Sigh.

 

Depending on your choices the Krogan can either be cured, still have the Genophage, or be extinct in the Milky Way. And they stay that way whether they are cured in Andromeda or not. They could have wings and pink feathers in Andromeda for all it matters, that doesn't change the fact that in the Milky Way they are what your choices made them.

 

If you can't comprehend this concept then go back to school.

The genophage doesn't affect the Milky Way, except as how it affects the krogan.

 

You make choices regarding the krogan in the Milky Way.

 

You take krogan out of the Milky Way and into Andromeda.

 

They are still affected by the choices you made while they are in the Milky Way.

 

Try to avoid personal attacks, please.

[pdusen]

 

 

I know no matter how, it goes against what they established. The only way I am even willing to humor is a wormhole. 

 

The writers of the Codex know what they are capable of, and intergalactic travel is not one of those. 

 

We'll never know everything since we don't work at Bioware. We aren't there for every meeting, hearing every word. 

 

 

You're being dense on purpose and I'm done with it.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You're being dense on purpose and I'm done with it.

No need to do personal attacks. It's also against the Site Rules. 

[Heimdall]

The genophage doesn't affect the Milky Way, except as how it affects the krogan.
 
You make choices regarding the krogan in the Milky Way.
 
You take krogan out of the Milky Way and into Andromeda.
 
They are still affected by the choices you made while they are in the Milky Way.
 
Try to avoid personal attacks, please.

Only if they were on Tuchanka when the cure was or was not released.

Same solution for Quarians, the Ark builders recruited a large number of exiles for the project, problem solved, choices respected.

[ZoliCs]

The genophage doesn't affect the Milky Way, except as how it affects the krogan.

 

You make choices regarding the krogan in the Milky Way.

 

You take krogan out of the Milky Way and into Andromeda.

 

They are still affected by the choices you made while they are in the Milky Way.

 

Try to avoid personal attacks, please.

 

Try not to be dense.

 

Here's a metaphor you might understand:

 

Apple = Krogan

Basket = Milky Way

Plate = Andromeda

 

You have a basket full of apples. You paint all the apples blue. Now you take out 2 apples and put it on a plate. You paint the apples on the plate green.

Did the apples in the basket turn green? No they did not.

[Iakus]

Try not to be dense.

 

Here's a metaphor you might understand:

 

Apple = Krogan

Basket = Milky Way

Plate = Andromeda

 

You have a basket full of apples. You paint all the apples blue. Now you take out 2 apples and put it on a plate. You paint the apples on the plate green.

Did the apples in the basket turn green? No they did not.

You also didn't respect the choice of the person who painted the apples blue. Or so we are led to believe, since we're suposedly moving to the plate to "respect" such choices.

[LinksOcarina]

Which is already iffy since they can still be suffering from the genophage and potentially have nearly all their fertile females wiped out.

 

If anything it should be an indication that the current thinking is incorrect as to why they are there, because that's a huge plot hole. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Only if they were on Tuchanka when the cure was or was not released.

Same solution for Quarians, the Ark builders recruited a large number of exiles for the project, problem solved, choices respected.

It could even work for the Geth. Just have it so they are the Geth who didn't agree with the Heretics and were offplanet when the Quarians launched their campaign to retake Rannoch. After meeting Legion, the fact that there are friendly Geth would be known by the galactic leaders. 

 

As for the Rachni, they are pretty hard to explain.

 

Try not to be dense.

 

Here's a metaphor you might understand:

 

Apple = Krogan

Basket = Milky Way

Plate = Andromeda

 

You have a basket full of apples. You paint all the apples blue. Now you take out 2 apples and put it on a plate. You paint the apples on the plate green.

Did the apples in the basket turn green? No they did not.

Please don't personally attack other posters by insulting them. 

 

Depends. Are the apples that were painted blue considered turning blue? 

[AresKeith]

It could even work for the Geth. Just have it so they are the Geth who didn't agree with the Heretics and were offplanet when the Quarians launched their campaign to retake Rannoch. After meeting Legion, the fact that there are friendly Geth would be known by the galactic leaders. 

 

As for the Rachni, they are pretty hard to explain.

 

That wouldn't work because the Reapers basically took control over all of them

[ZoliCs]

It could even work for the Geth. Just have it so they are the Geth who didn't agree with the Heretics and were offplanet when the Quarians launched their campaign to retake Rannoch. After meeting Legion, the fact that there are friendly Geth would be known by the galactic leaders. 

Geth would also be a perfect candidate to run the Ark while organics are in a cryo stasis.

 

As for the Rachni, they are pretty hard to explain.

Agreed. I can't think of any workaround if you killed them in ME1.

 

Depends. Are the apples that were painted blue considered turning blue? 

What?

[Heimdall]

It could even work for the Geth. Just have it so they are the Geth who didn't agree with the Heretics and were offplanet when the Quarians launched their campaign to retake Rannoch. After meeting Legion, the fact that there are friendly Geth would be known by the galactic leaders.

As for the Rachni, they are pretty hard to explain.

That wouldn't work because the Reapers basically took control over all of them

Geth and Rachni probably wouldn't make it. But what if those Quarian were exiled were outcasts for their interest in Artificial Intelligence? What if they developed a new AI for us to meet and interact with? Could be interesting.