You also didn't respect the choice of the person who painted the apples blue. Or so we are led to believe, since we're suposedly moving to the plate to "respect" such choices.
You did. The apples he care about are still blue.
Not respecting his choice would be using the basket and painting all the apples purple and pretending they were never blue to begin with.
If anything it should be an indication that the current thinking is incorrect as to why they are there, because that's a huge plot hole.
Yes, it's going to be extremely interesting to see what they come up with.
I currently don't see any way that they can avoid at least a few substantial plotholes, or else contrivances.
Geth and Rachni probably wouldn't make it. But what if those Quarian were exiled were outcasts for their interest in Artificial Intelligence? What if they developed a new AI for us to meet and interact with? Could be interesting.
New AI would be interesting
You did. The apples he care about are still blue.
Not respecting his choice would be using the basket and painting all the apples purple and pretending they were never blue to begin with.
Umm, no you took blue apples, which the person cared eeough about to paint blue, and painted them green.
Against the artistic integrity of the person who painted them blue. 
If you're willing to do that, why stop with a few apples? Why not the whole basket?
Yes, it's going to be extremely interesting to see what they come up with.
I currently don't see any way that they can avoid at least a few substantial plotholes, or else contrivances.
Thus why bother relocating to begin with?
That wouldn't work because the Reapers basically took control over all of them
No, the Heretics agreed to the Reapers taking control. Legion is a perfect example of how not all Geth were overwritten.
Geth would also be a perfect candidate to run the Ark while organics are in a cryo stasis.
Agreed. I can't think of any workaround if you killed them in ME1.
What?
Yep. They don't even need bodies, or new ones can be fabricated when they get there.
In your meataphor. You asked if the apples that were painted green would be considered green or not, so I was asking if the apples that were painted blue would be considered blur or not.
Geth and Rachni probably wouldn't make it. But what if those Quarian were exiled were outcasts for their interest in Artificial Intelligence? What if they developed a new AI for us to meet and interact with? Could be interesting.
If Geth aren't included, Quarians shouldn't be either. It wouldn't respect the choice the player can make if only one is selected. Plus Geth are really popular with the fanbase, which is hard to achieve with robots. They wouldn't throw them away just to be replaced with "Not Geth".
Yes, it's going to be extremely interesting to see what they come up with.
I currently don't see any way that they can avoid at least a few substantial plotholes, or else contrivances.
I am sure there will be, it happens.
I just think people panicking too quickly on this one.
Indeed it did.
But apparently RGB is important enough to "respect" going into the new series. but the genophage isn't. Hmmm....
Well... Look. They were already starting to adapt to the genophage once. Who's to say that they can't adapt to it once again, as a matter of fact, have their adaption be amplified by the cryo-sleep in an attempt to wake up?
Yes, it's going to be extremely interesting to see what they come up with.
I currently don't see any way that they can avoid at least a few substantial plotholes, or else contrivances.
But what if those Quarian were exiled were outcasts for their interest in Artificial Intelligence? What if they developed a new AI for us to meet and interact with? Could be interesting.
I am sure there will be, it happens.
I just think people panicking too quickly on this one.
Panicking is interesting.
Thus why bother relocating to begin with?
It's still less of a headache for them I guess
No, the Heretics agreed to the Reapers taking control. Legion is a perfect example of how not all Geth were overwritten.
And they used Legion to take control over the non-Heretics
And they used Legion to take control over the non-Heretics
We also know that Geth can disconnect themselves from each other. For example, the Heretic Station wasn't connected to all Heretics at the time you either rewrite or destroy those at the base.
Since they know they can be hacked by being connected, Legion had some disconnect before he was captured and used against those who were still connected to the consensus and against becoming Heretics.
In your meataphor. You asked if the apples that were painted green would be considered green or not, so I was asking if the apples that were painted blue would be considered blur or not.
No, I asked if the blue apples in the basked turned suddenly green because i repainted some of them outside the basket.
It could even work for the Geth. Just have it so they are the Geth who didn't agree with the Heretics and were offplanet when the Quarians launched their campaign to retake Rannoch. After meeting Legion, the fact that there are friendly Geth would be known by the galactic leaders.
As for the Rachni, they are pretty hard to explain.
The Rachni wouldn't be too hard to work into the story (IMO). Just have the Queen, if she survived, give the ARKCON project a royal egg.
If the player killed the original, but freed the Frankien-Queen, have it so that the Crucible engineers recover a royal egg from her before she goes insane on the work crews; maybe even have it so that is why she flips out.
If the player killed both Queens, have it so that genetic data collected from Peak 15, and the Ravenger factory allows the Salarians to create their own version of a cloned queen. Really it wouldn't be too far fetched, I mean they were essentially Jurassic Park-ing dinosaurs for the Krogans to ride into battle, having them create a cloned egg would be child's play.
As for why the races of the galaxy would want to bring the Rachni along for the ride; cheap, efficient engineering crew. Even if the player's world state would have the galaxy not trust the queen as far as they could throw her, there is no denying their savant-like ability to construct durable structures under the most extreme conditions.And that's not even mentioning their potential military applications.
Sure, keeping the queen contained would be an issue, but that's what the Krogan are for. With a Queen in place you have an alien that can provide a steady supply of bodies in a matter of a few days for whatever the refugees would need; far better to send a soldier or drone out to explore a hostile planet than risk the very finite personal and equipment of the other races.
Contrivance is acceptable to me so long as its minimized after the move to Andromeda.
Perhaps. I just hope it will be nothing so jarring that it lingers in the back of the mind.
The Rachni wouldn't be too hard to work into the story (IMO). Just have the Queen, if she survived, give the ARKCON project a royal egg.
If the player killed the original, but freed the Frankien-Queen, have it so that the Crucible engineers recover a royal egg from her before she goes insane on the work crews; maybe even have it so that is why she flips out.
If the player killed both Queens, have it so that genetic data collected from Peak 15, and the Ravenger factory allows the Salarians to create their own version of a cloned queen. Really it wouldn't be too far fetched, I mean they were essentially Jurassic Park-ing dinosaurs for the Krogans to ride into battle, having them create a cloned egg would be child's play.
As for why the races of the galaxy would want to bring the Rachni along for the ride; cheap, efficient engineering crew. Even if the player's world state would have the galaxy not trust the queen as far as they could throw her, there is no denying their savant-like ability to construct durable structures under the most extreme conditions.And that's not even mentioning their potential military applications.
Sure, keeping the queen contained would be an issue, but that's what the Krogan are for. With a Queen in place you have an alien that can provide a steady supply of bodies in a matter of a few days for whatever the refugees would need; far better to send a soldier or drone out to explore a hostile planet than risk the very finite personal and equipment of the other races.
You make a very solid case. Okay, I agree with you and hope to see Rachni as well now.
As for why the races of the galaxy would want to bring the Rachni along for the ride; cheap, efficient engineering crew. Even if the player's world state would have the galaxy not trust the queen as far as they could throw her.
What does it matter what the unwashed masses think of the Rachni or the Geth? It's not a popularity contest. If someone is useful and/or civilized they are in.
The Rachni wouldn't be too hard to work into the story (IMO). Just have the Queen, if she survived, give the ARKCON project a royal egg.
Yeah, I doubt this Council-led ark initiative is going to be getting rid of their no-AI policy anytime soon.
Which council will lead them? The one's from ME1 if alive or the one's that replace the one's that died in ME1? And if the council is leading the ark, it would be safe to say they evacuated the Citadel before it was taken to Earth. I wonder how many others were evacuated with the council?
This method would be... contrary to lore.
During the chat with Yaroslev Tartakovsky in the hot labs, Shepard can inquire about the need for a male in reproduction. The reply indicates that queens contain all the needed genetic material from their fathers - which would imply that some other breeding pair is needed to create a royal egg.
The specifics of the Rachni's reproductive process is a little nebulous granted.
The wiki has this to say on their reproduction cycle:
Though queens are usually mated to brood warriors, the reproductive processes of the rachni do not necessarily require a male counterpart. Queens carry the genetic information of their fathers inside them, allowing them to lay eggs even if no brood warriors are present. They are said to be able to lay a massive amount of eggs every few hours, resulting in an entire rachni colony within days.
Some of the other cloning methods you mentioned might work, though. I might be a bit concerned about the source due to the genetic memory thing they share.
True, it would be problematic, but even if the resulting queen didn't share the original's penchant for co-operation, there is no reason to assume that she would be unwilling to work with the refugees. She could be appeased by the fact that these races did just resurrect her and save her from annihilation by the Reapers, and that by traveling into the unknown it would beneficial for both parties to work together.
Even if the procedure left this clone 'deranged' the ark personnel could still make use of her offspring by sending the insane drones down to a planet, waiting for them to establish a colony, and then sending the Krogan in to wipe them out. Free labor, and a perfectly suitable foundation for a colony, all in the span of a week or two.
Well... Look. They were already starting to adapt to the genophage once. Who's to say that they can't adapt to it once again, as a matter of fact, have their adaption be amplified by the cryo-sleep in an attempt to wake up?
They were adapting over the course of centuries, though. Perhaps more. It could be centuries before they start adapting again.
ANd I don't see how stasis could possibly aid in that.
It's still less of a headache for them I guess
Simpler than merely creating a unified galactic state?
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