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[Messi Kossmann]

And, just to add: What's "Mass Effect"? Its about the reapers? Or about milky way? About Sheperd?

A lot people can say what's mass effect is about, and we never seeing a repeated answer.

[arathor_87]

Well, you have to accept that people are worried. If the new game is a blank slate with no connection to previous events in the franchise, it´s almost like a new franschise. Sure, it will have faster than light travel (as many other science fiction franchises), biotics, maco (just a vehicle) and familiar races. But I don´t think this is enough for some people. And is this wrong? No it isn´t. I can only speak for myself, but the most important thing in Mass Effect isn´t the technology or biotics, it´s the characters and the choices. If our previous choices or beloved characters doesn´t matter in the new game, it loses all connection to the triology. Biotics, a maco and mass relays won´t solve this. At least not for me.

EDIT: And yes, you are correct. Mass Effect is not only about the reapers. But what´s the point with destroying/controlling the reapers or jumping into a beam and synthesize the whole galaxy if it doesn´t matter in the end?  Sure it´´s a new galaxy. But humans, krogans and asari will problably still be there. 

- Hey! Have you heard the story about Commander Shepard?

- Commander who?

- The guy who saved all organic life in the Milky Way from an ancient race called the reapers. He´s sacrificed himself to control the reapers. He protects human life at all costs.

- Ahh yes, "reapers". The immortal race of sentient starships who allegedly attacked the Milky Way. We have dismissed that claim.

 

[Nitrocuban]

Let's be realistic, Bioware can't continue in Citadel space after ME3's endings without disappointing a big amount of the player base.

By leaving the milky way behind Bioware respects players' choices more than they ever could with trivialising and/or canonising the endings for an easy sequel in known space.

[Get Magna Carter]

Bioware have stated they are not going to retcon player's decisions to replace with a canon continuity

 

And (especially if you include the refuse ending) there seems to be no way to continue from every ending ..so they have to go before the end of ME3 or set the game in a different region of space taking some races and technology from the original trilogy to keep it in the Mass Effect universe.

 

the change in setting seems insignificant compared to the gameplay changes in the trilogy

i.e. Mass Effect was a single-player RPG (which looked like a shooter) with puzzle solving, driving sections, unlocking mini-games

Mass Effect 3 was a 3rd-person shooter with a multiplayer mode 

[wright1978]

Sounds quite plausible. I can see why they might see bypassing the trainwreck that is ME3 is a sane choice, whilst still using the races.

I'm glad they aren't canonising or trying to play in Shep's time period sandbox.

It'll have to stand on its own 2  feet as it won't much goodwill that you would get if it was based in the same universe.

Some of the concepts sound interesting but i'll need more meat on the bone before i might get excited.

[Bizantura]

If I understand correctly the game is not only a reboot but a mixture of SP and MP and not SP or MP, meaning MP is unavoidable.  I am not made for MP and yes I've tried.  Seems the pool of games to choose from is about to become non existend.  Sad but true adapt or be discarded!!

[pdusen]

I'm pretty sure the Andromeda galaxy does, in fact, exist in Mass Effect lore, so the races of the Milky Way galaxy going to colonize it really doesn't make the game less Mass Effect, it's just going to be a part that we haven't seen before.

[Dr. Rush]

Its the safest way to do a reboot without calling it a reboot. Of course they are going to do it this way, why take a risk when you can just fudge the lore?

[Nitrocuban]

If I understand correctly the game is not only a reboot but a mixture of SP and MP and not SP or MP, meaning MP is unavoidable.  I am not made for MP and yes I've tried.  Seems the pool of games to choose from is about to become non existend.  Sad but true adapt or be discarded!!

Nah, I think you are completly wrong.

No reboot but a sequel, just disconnected to the ME3 ending. And MP seems less forced into Sp than in ME3. You can have friends join your "N7 missions" or just play them alone with SP squad mates, strictly separating SP from MP. In ME3 we pretty much had to play some MP to get EMS up for the best ending.

[Kabooooom]

We predicted this long ago based on nothing but a concept image of a galaxy map and deduction about how Bioware could avoid the ending fiasco while also respecting player choice.

So I'm sorry, but if this is true it was incredibly predictable and I really dont have many feels for those that are disappointed. You should have realized this would happen.

Mass effect will still be mass effect, and in all likelihood this game will capture the essence of exploration that made ME1 great and it will be a fantastic story, the start of a new adventure.

[The Arbiter]

We predicted this long ago based on nothing but a concept image of a galaxy map and deduction about how Bioware could avoid the ending fiasco while also respecting player choice.

So I'm sorry, but if this is true it was incredibly predictable and I really dont have many feels for those that are disappointed. You should have realized this would happen.

Mass effect will still be mass effect, and in all likelihood this game will capture the essence of exploration that made ME1 great and it will be a fantastic story, the start of a new adventure.

yeah that's the whole point of my RESTART/REBOOT Theory since people were already telling me "ME 3 IS THE END" PERIOD. Now to my eyes this is a gamble, also you are right about Bioware using the same mechanics, i.e. races, exploration, combat, N7 Program, Space and stuff but what worries me is that this is "unexplored" territory given the fact that the tradition of Bioware is continuity and save imports unlike Final Fantasy which restarts the franchise to 0 per new installment. Well I will give them the benefit of the doubt since ME1 started this way so that is a good sign. I also expected this to happen because of the sheer amount of things they have said even if people disagreed with me. Heck I even hate my own theory I want to see my old squad somehow but that's not gonna happen. As to buying ME4? I'm not sure... I don't know maybe I Should wait for reviews, reactions and is it worth it videos. Just trying to gather what the fanbase would think about a total RESTART

 

but if we are talking about Batman Arkham Knight and Harley Quinn? Insta buy

[Revan Reborn]

Let's be realistic, Bioware can't continue in Citadel space after ME3's endings without disappointing a big amount of the player base.

By leaving the milky way behind Bioware respects players' choices more than they ever could with trivialising and/or canonising the endings for an easy sequel in known space.

Says who? You do realize that most of the Milky Way is unexplored and wasn't near an active Mass Relay? None of the endings need to be "canon" to further explore 99% of what's left of the Milky Way. The only thing BioWare does is spit in our faces suggesting nothing of what we did in the first three games mattered, that they regret the last choice in ME3, thus rebooting Mass Effect which is likely something nobody wants.

[Kabooooom]

Says who? You do realize that most of the Milky Way is unexplored and wasn't near an active Mass Relay? None of the endings need to be "canon" to further explore 99% of what's left of the Milky Way. The only thing BioWare does is spit in our faces suggesting nothing of what we did in the first three games mattered, that they regret the last choice in ME3, thus rebooting Mass Effect which is likely something nobody wants.

Yes, going off the relay network makes more practical sense. However, IF the intent of the "Ark" is to ensure the survival of the species of the galaxy, then merely going off the relay network is actually really quite incredibly stupid. Eventually, centuries or millennia down the line, there exists the very real possibility that their civilization will fall prey to the Reapers once more - if discovered.

Thus, an intergalactic journey (although it bends the lore to the limits of breaking) makes far more strategic sense, if one is making the gamble that the Reapers are exclusively confined to the Milky Way.

[ElitePinecone]

Says who? You do realize that most of the Milky Way is unexplored and wasn't near an active Mass Relay? None of the endings need to be "canon" to further explore 99% of what's left of the Milky Way. The only thing BioWare does is spit in our faces suggesting nothing of what we did in the first three games mattered, that they regret the last choice in ME3, thus rebooting Mass Effect which is likely something nobody wants.

 

I reckon the intention of the devs was always that the Crucible's effects spread to the entire galaxy. Saying that Shepard's final decision only affected 1% of the Milky Way makes it rather dramatically less epic and important, don't you think? It might not make sense, but very little of the Crucible or the endings does.

 

And moving to a new galaxy does not invalidate anything you did before. The Milky Way continues on in the same way as you left it after ME3. If you want to find out what that was, there's the Extended Cut slides and videos. 

 

What it does offer is a completely new slate with which to tell new stories, free from the baggage of three games and a whole lot of fan disappointment. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I reckon the intention of the devs was always that the Crucible's effects spread to the entire galaxy. Saying that Shepard's final decision only affected 1% of the Milky Way makes it rather dramatically less epic and important, don't you think? It might not make sense, but very little of the Crucible or the endings does.

 

And moving to a new galaxy does not invalidate anything you did before. The Milky Way continues on in the same way as you left it after ME3. If you want to find out what that was, there's the Extended Cut slides and videos. 

 

What it does offer is a completely new slate with which to tell new stories, free from the baggage of three games and a whole lot of fan disappointment. 

Yes it does. If there is not even going to be references to the previous games, then it invalidates them. 

[Revan Reborn]

Yes, going off the relay network makes more practical sense. However, IF the intent of the "Ark" is to ensure the survival of the species of the galaxy, then merely going off the relay network is actually really quite incredibly stupid. Eventually, centuries or millennia down the line, there exists the very real possibility that their civilization will fall prey to the Reapers once more - if discovered.

Thus, an intergalactic journey (although it bends the lore to the limits of breaking) makes far more strategic sense, if one is making the gamble that the Reapers are exclusively confined to the Milky Way.

The Ark theory is as credible as the Indoctrination theory. It's fan fabricated. It has no authority whatsoever. What reapers? Did you not complete ME3? Regardless of your ending, the reapers are no longer a threat. The Mass Relays are repaired and I don't see how using them is "quite incredibly stupid" when that's the main means of transportation for the entire galaxy.

 

No, it really doesn't. The Leviathans created the Catalyst who created the reapers. We know that the reapers go to "Dark Space" for their slumber, but all of the races they have harvested are exclusively from the Milky Way.

 

I reckon the intention of the devs was always that the Crucible's effects spread to the entire galaxy. Saying that Shepard's final decision only affected 1% of the Milky Way makes it rather dramatically less epic and important, don't you think? It might not make sense, but very little of the Crucible or the endings does.

 

And moving to a new galaxy does not invalidate anything you did before. The Milky Way continues on in the same way as you left it after ME3. If you want to find out what that was, there's the Extended Cut slides and videos. 

 

What it does offer is a completely new slate with which to tell new stories, free from the baggage of three games and a whole lot of fan disappointment. 

I don't believe BioWare ever said that. You may think that, but that's purely an assumption on your part. We know the discharge from the Citadel only affected active Mass Relays. Considering relays aren't in ever solar system across the galaxy, it's not unreasonable to believe much of the galaxy wasn't affected.

 

The EC does nothing but slightly elaborate more on an already ambiguous ending. Moving to another galaxy does not make sense in the slightest when Mass Effect has only been in the Milky Way. The name of the franchise is based off of reaper tech in the Milky way.

 

What it does offer is a slap in the face to fans who aren't nearly as ridiculous when it comes to the endings and essentially reboot a franchise that does not need rebooting. This is just poor execution, far worse than the ME3 endings were, which is why it's unlikely to be true.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The Ark theory is as credible as the Indoctrination theory. It's fan fabricated. It has no authority whatsoever. What reapers? Did you not complete ME3? Regardless of your ending, the reapers are no longer a threat. The Mass Relays are repaired and I don't see how using them is "quite incredibly stupid" when that's the main means of transportation for the entire galaxy.

 

No, it really doesn't. The Leviathans created the Catalyst who created the reapers. We know that the reapers go to "Dark Space" for their slumber, but all of the races they have harvested are exclusively from the Milky Way.

I'd prefer the Indoctrination Theory myself. At least it would let us stay in the same setting. 

 

We don't know they harvest exclusively the Milky Way. We don't even know if they truly slumber between cycles. For all we know, they go from galaxy to galaxy doing a cycle on each of them. 

[Iakus]

 

"Ow yeah. Damn James Cameron, the Terminator never born to be a good guy, he is THE Terminator!! Damn Cameron again, the Alien is a horror movie, it's never supposed to be a action sci-fi like Aliens 2."

You see how limited your opinions are? Now Mass Effect need to be restrained in Milk Galaxy because the FIRST trilogy is in Milk Galaxy?

And, just to say, according to rumors, Mass Effect Next may not called a "Mass Effect : something". So, how about if change the name of the game? Of course you will complain...

 

Umm, the Milky Way galaxy is HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF STARS!  Stars which there is already a way to reach (the relay network)

 

Currently in Mass Effect lore, there is no way to get a ship to Andromeda.  Not with current fuel limitations and while keeping the crew alive.  Not even with Reaper technology.  This does not include the standard space magic handwavium we've all come to know and love, of course /sarcasm.

 

So yeah, relocating to Andromeda would not only break lore (yet again) it would be wasteful.

 

As for it "feeling like Mass Effect"  Anyone here remember the backlash with Dragon Age 2?  The style change, the shift in combat "when you push a button, something awesome has to happen"?  Redesigned elves?  This rumor, if true, would be an even more intense shift.  It would be like transporting DA4's setting to a completely unexplored continent, leaving behind all previous Dragon Age lore;  the looming threat of war with the Qunari, the Grey Wardens, the Deep Roads,  the Blackened City, red lyrium.   All of it.  For something totally different.  Even if it was done well, it wouldn't be Dragon Age.  It would be some other fantasty game with "Dragon Age" stamped on the label.

[AresKeith]

Yes it does. If there is not even going to be references to the previous games, then it invalidates them. 

 

Not really

[ElitePinecone]

What it does offer is a slap in the face to fans 

 

I think this language is a little dramatic for what is essentially a videogame narrative decision. 

 

But even if you're right and Ark Theory is false and the "leaked survey" is made-up nonsense, that doesn't mean people can't discuss it if they wish. 

 

To my mind, the survey content matches up pretty well with everything else we know about ME Next, or everything that's been rumoured about it, and two or three influential posters on neoGAF said it was legitimate. 

 

I think it is a valid topic of discussion, and I'm increasingly feeling that it will turn out to be accurate. In the meantime, there's nothing wrong with using it as a base for speculation.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Not really

Yes, it does. It won't even reference them. The Shepard Trilogy may as well be a video game series in this new Mass Effect game with how unconnected it is. 

[Iakus]

I think this language is a little dramatic for what is essentially a videogame narrative decision. 

 

But even if you're right and Ark Theory is false and the "leaked survey" is made-up nonsense, that doesn't mean people can't discuss it if they wish. 

 

To my mind, the survey content matches up pretty well with everything else we know about ME Next, or everything that's been rumoured about it, and two or three influential posters on neoGAF said it was legitimate. 

 

I think it is a valid topic of discussion, and I'm increasingly feeling that it will turn out to be accurate. In the meantime, there's nothing wrong with using it as a base for speculation.

Sure.  AS long as you understand there are some people who really don't like it.  Just there are some who really don't like IT, or other fan theories.

[Kabooooom]

The Ark theory is as credible as the Indoctrination theory. It's fan fabricated. It has no authority whatsoever. What reapers? Did you not complete ME3? Regardless of your ending, the reapers are no longer a threat. The Mass Relays are repaired and I don't see how using them is "quite incredibly stupid" when that's the main means of transportation for the entire galaxy.

No, it really doesn't. The Leviathans created the Catalyst who created the reapers. We know that the reapers go to "Dark Space" for their slumber, but all of the races they have harvested are exclusively from the Milky Way.

I don't believe BioWare ever said that. You may think that, but that's purely an assumption on your part. We know the discharge from the Citadel only affected active Mass Relays. Considering relays aren't in ever solar system across the galaxy, it's not unreasonable to believe much of the galaxy wasn't affected.

The EC does nothing but slightly elaborate more on an already ambiguous ending. Moving to another galaxy does not make sense in the slightest when Mass Effect has only been in the Milky Way. The name of the franchise is based off of reaper tech in the Milky way.

What it does offer is a slap in the face to fans who aren't nearly as ridiculous when it comes to the endings and essentially reboot a franchise that does not need rebooting. This is just poor execution, far worse than the ME3 endings were, which is why it's unlikely to be true.

Like most of our conversations in the past, it seems you've 100% missed the point.

The entire PURPOSE of the "ark" would be a contingency plan. It would have left BEFORE the reaper war ended. For the travelers, they had NO IDEA whether or not the reapers would be defeated, and indeed by all evidence the galaxy was LOSING the war. Hence, what makes more sense? Fleeing somewhere where logic dictates the reapers may eventually find you, or fleeing somewhere that they probably wouldn't?

I'm not sure if you truly didn't understand that very basic concept, or if you are just constructing straw man ark theories to more easily debate.

That clear things up a little bit? So once again, yes, IF an ark premise is correct, then merely fleeing off the relay network is indeed incredibly stupid from a strategic point of view. You may as well not even flee at all, in that case.

[Iakus]

Yes, it does. It won't even reference them. The Shepard Trilogy may as well be a video game series in this new Mass Effect game with how unconnected it is. 

That's a setting I could go for.   

[AresKeith]

Yes, it does. It won't even reference them. The Shepard Trilogy may as well be a video game series in this new Mass Effect game with how unconnected it is. 

 

It doesn't have to reference them if it's suppose to be a new setting separate from it