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[Iakus]

 
That clear things up a little bit? So once again, yes, IF an ark premise is correct, then merely fleeing off the relay network is indeed incredibly stupid.

Not really.

 

THe only reason the Ilos facility lost so many people was power limitations.

 

THe only reason there weren't a million Javik's running the next cycle was the Reapers caught wind of the project.

 

Going off the grid for a couple centuries is totally viable, as long as you can keep it secret.  Heck heading out into dark space and powering down for a couple centuries is far more viable a plan then spending centuries asleep hoping the drive core doesn't microwave you while you're unconscious.

[themikefest]

Maybe they want the next game to be  in another galaxy to avoid interfering with the events that take place after ME3 in the Milky Way. Like bring Shepard back. Hahahaha. Remember Bioware has their get-out-of-jail-free-card with the breath scene, one more story and the details have changed over time

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It doesn't have to reference them if it's suppose to be a new setting separate from it

Then it isn't a Mass Effect game if it is a new setting separate from the other Mass Effect games.

[SolNebula]

Just imagine if the next game is the beginning of a new trilogy and at the end of the last game we discover that the protagonist is Shepard that happen to had amnesia after the Citadel incident. That would be a hell of a twist.....trolololol

[ElitePinecone]

Then it isn't a Mass Effect game if it is a new setting separate from the other Mass Effect games.

 

Mass Effect can be any number of things. People are telling you in this thread that they'd still think a game was "Mass Effect" if it just had the races and technology. 

 

It's a pretty subjective definition. 

[PCThug]

Just imagine if the next game is the beginning of a new trilogy and at the end of the last game we discover that the protagonist is Shepard that happen to had amnesia after the Citadel incident. That would be a hell of a twist.....trolololol

It would take on an even more bizarre turn if you played as a male Shepard and then as a female in the new game.

[Revan Reborn]

I'd prefer the Indoctrination Theory myself. At least it would let us stay in the same setting. 

 

We don't know they harvest exclusively the Milky Way. We don't even know if they truly slumber between cycles. For all we know, they go from galaxy to galaxy doing a cycle on each of them. 

It's more likely they don't than they do. Your just building inference upon inference with has no support. My assertion is purely based off the games and the fact that the Leviathans are in the Milky Way, thus the Catalyst's programming was only built to manage relations in that galaxy. The only reason the reapers leave is so that a new cycle can develop where they can harvest again. It's extremely unlikely reapers are just going around harvesting everything. We have no reason to believe that nor do any of the games support it.

 

I think this language is a little dramatic for what is essentially a videogame narrative decision. 

 

But even if you're right and Ark Theory is false and the "leaked survey" is made-up nonsense, that doesn't mean people can't discuss it if they wish. 

 

To my mind, the survey content matches up pretty well with everything else we know about ME Next, or everything that's been rumoured about it, and two or three influential posters on neoGAF said it was legitimate. 

 

I think it is a valid topic of discussion, and I'm increasingly feeling that it will turn out to be accurate. In the meantime, there's nothing wrong with using it as a base for speculation.

You are more than welcome to speculate. What I find incredibly tasteless is people spreading this "survey" that looks more like an elaborate troll than true are stating that the survey and it's contents are fact. Nothing is "fact" until BioWare actually reveals the game at E3 this year. Again, this "survey" could have been fabricated by anyone on BSN who has actively followed the development of the next Mass Effect. The fact the Ark theory is the premise is largely what makes me believe it's definitely not true.

 

Like most of our conversations in the past, it seems you've 100% missed the point.

The entire PURPOSE of the "ark" would be a contingency plan. It would have left BEFORE the reaper war ended. For the travelers, they had NO IDEA whether or not the reapers would be defeated, and indeed by all evidence the galaxy was LOSING the war. Hence, what makes more sense? Fleeing somewhere where logic dictates the reapers may eventually find you, or fleeing somewhere that they probably wouldn't?

I'm not sure if you truly didn't understand that very basic concept, or if you are just constructing straw man ark theories to more easily debate.

That clear things up a little bit? So once again, yes, IF an ark premise is correct, then merely fleeing off the relay network is indeed incredibly stupid from a strategic point of view. You may as well not even flee at all, in that case.

You aren't getting it.

 

The Ark theory is fake. It's made up. There is no evidence to support its validity at all. It's more ridiculous than the ME3 endings. Considering we know the reapers have the means of traveling outside the galaxy, no, that's not a wise assumption to believe they could not follow.

[SolNebula]

It would take on an even more bizarre turn if you played as a male Shepard and then as a female in the new game.

 

I guess they have Casablanca somewhere in space....hahahhaa

[The Elder King]

I Have mixed feeling About those leaked info (though it's too early To say they're True or not). I'd Honestly prefer the next ME game To be set in the Milky Way.
I'll wait For more info though, even if the leaks are true. I was already applying a 'wait And see' approach for the next ME game anyway.

[arathor_87]

Just imagine if the next game is the beginning of a new trilogy and at the end of the last game we discover that the protagonist is Shepard that happen to had amnesia after the Citadel incident. That would be a hell of a twist.....trolololol

Sounds like Mass Effect of the old Republic. Darth Shepard discovers his past. He´s an ancient sith lord from the Andromeda galaxy. ; )

[AresKeith]

Then it isn't a Mass Effect game if it is a new setting separate from the other Mass Effect games.

 

That's like people saying it isn't Mass Effect because no Shepard

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Mass Effect can be any number of things. People are telling you in this thread that they'd still think a game was "Mass Effect" if it just had the races and technology. 

 

It's a pretty subjective definition. 

Except it won't have the same technology, since it is another galaxy thus they developed on different paths. Unless they operate with Mass Effect technology as well but that means Reapers visit there too which means they'll still have to address what happened to the Reapers thus going to another galaxy did nothing. 

 

That's like people saying it isn't Mass Effect because no Shepard

No, Shepard is just a character in the setting. There can be multiple protagonists in the same setting and it still being part of that series. Just look at Dragon Age. 

 

But as Iakus pointed out, this would be like if DA4 took place not on Thedas but another continent completely disconnected from Thedas then saying it is the same setting. It's not, and is quite frankly insulting to say it is. 

[Kabooooom]

It's more likely they don't than they do. Your just building inference upon inference with has no support. My assertion is purely based off the games and the fact that the Leviathans are in the Milky Way, thus the Catalyst's programming was only built to manage relations in that galaxy. The only reason the reapers leave is so that a new cycle can develop where they can harvest again. It's extremely unlikely reapers are just going around harvesting everything. We have no reason to believe that nor do any of the games support it.

You are more than welcome to speculate. What I find incredibly tasteless is people spreading this "survey" that looks more like an elaborate troll than true are stating that the survey and it's contents are fact. Nothing is "fact" until BioWare actually reveals the game at E3 this year. Again, this "survey" could have been fabricated by anyone on BSN who has actively followed the development of the next Mass Effect. The fact the Ark theory is the premise is largely what makes me believe it's definitely not true.

You aren't getting it.

The Ark theory is fake. It's made up. There is no evidence to support its validity at all. It's more ridiculous than the ME3 endings. Considering we know the reapers have the means of traveling outside the galaxy, no, that's not a wise assumption to believe they could not follow.

No, you're not getting it. I'm not debating the validity of the Ark Theory. OBVIOUSLY it was constructed by fans. I'm debating YOUR perception/straw man arguments of it and my position, and your unwillingness to recognize that some semblance of it is a plausible direction that the writers will take.

Really, if you are just going to continue to construct straw man arguments then there is really no point in continue to debate with you. It's really quite a pathetic thing to do.

Like I've said now about five different times in posts that you respond to but don't read: I dont even particularly like the ark theory, nor do I particularly hope for it to be true. I'm ambivalent towards it, despite that I find it super predictable and an easy way out for the writers.

That said, I would absolutely love it if it turns out to be true, just so I could get some satisfaction from the disappointment of smug hipster fanboys like you. Oh god, the nerdrage would be glorious

[AresKeith]

No, Shepard is just a character in the setting. There can be multiple protagonists in the same setting and it still being part of that series. Just look at Dragon Age. 

 

But as Iakus pointed out, this would be like if DA4 took place not on Thedas but another continent completely disconnected from Thedas then saying it is the same setting. It's not, and is quite frankly insulting to say it is. 

 

Not really, if a DA took place in another continent it would still be Dragon Age because it still takes place in the Dragon Age

[Revan Reborn]

No, you're not getting it. I'm not debating the validity of the Ark Theory. OBVIOUSLY it was constructed by fans. I'm debating YOUR perception/straw man arguments of it and my position, and your unwillingness to recognize that some semblance of it is a plausible direction that the writers will take.

Really, if you are just going to continue to construct straw man arguments then there is really no point in continue to debate with you. It's really quite a pathetic thing to do.

You concede it's just a "theory" and "constructed by fans" yet you then suggest it's "a plausible direction that the writers will take." That's rather absolute, friend. Clearly, you are buying into this survey and you are more than welcome to do that. I merely take anything from the internet, especially from reddit, with a grain of salt. Especially when it sounds as ridiculous and poorly constructed as this supposed survey alleges is the next Mass Effect. If you want to believe what is likely a troll post, then good on you.

 

Who's really using the Straw Man here? You have stated none of your statements are "definitive," yet you continue to use "definitive" statements like the one I quoted. I merely and skeptical and unlikely to believe hearsay. The fact you are trying to minimize my stance to a Straw Man merely shows the holes in your own argument and that you truly believe this to be "fact." Again, believe what you want. However, don't believe you can force others to see your line of thinking through fan creations and ridiculous arguments.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Not really, if a DA took place in another continent it would still be Dragon Age because it still takes place in the Dragon Age

Except that new continent doesn't operate by the Thedas calender, so no it wouldn't.

 

Plus it takes more than a date to make it in the same setting. The Renaissance and the Edo Period were the same time. Doesn't make them in the same setting.  

[AresKeith]

Except that new continent doesn't operate by the Thedas calender, so no it wouldn't.

 

We don't know how other continents operate 

 

And DA and ME are two different series for this comparison to even work

[Kabooooom]

You concede it's just a "theory" and "constructed by fans" yet you then suggest it's "a plausible direction that the writers will take." That's rather absolute, friend. Clearly, you are buying into this survey and you are more than welcome to do that. I merely take anything from the internet, especially from reddit, with a grain of salt. Especially when it sounds as ridiculous and poorly constructed as this supposed survey alleges is the next Mass Effect. If you want to believe what is likely a troll post, then good on you.

Who's really using the Straw Man here? You have stated none of your statements are "definitive," yet you continue to use "definitive" statements like the one I quoted. I merely and skeptical and unlikely to believe hearsay. The fact you are trying to minimize my stance to a Straw Man merely shows the holes in your own argument and that you truly believe this to be "fact." Again, believe what you want. However, don't believe you can force others to see your line of thinking through fan creations and ridiculous arguments.

Are you dense? Or just illiterate? Please explain how "plausible" = absolute/definitive?

No, it is you who are constructing straw-men, literally with every single post. I'm done, you aren't worth my time. You can go ahead and have the last word, as I'm sure your ego requires it.

And like I said, the ONLY thing I will be disappointed about if some semblance of Ark Theory doesn't prove true is that I wont be able to bask in the nerdrage fallout that people like you will probably have from it.

The only thing more irritating than debating with fanboys like you is debating with Creationists, for exactly the same reasons too.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

We don't know how other continents operate 

 

And DA and ME are two different series for this comparison to even work

If they operate the same as the continent we were on, thus the two have been connected somehow, then what's the point of going there to separate from the first continent if they are still connected? Replace continent with galaxy and we have the problem this new "Mass Effect" game would have. 

[AresKeith]

If they operate the same as the continent we were on, thus the two have been connected somehow, then what's the point of going there to separate from the first continent if they are still connected? Replace continent with galaxy and we have the problem this new "Mass Effect" game would have. 

 

That's subjective, you feel that Mass Effect is just about the Milky Way others don't feel this way

[ElitePinecone]

If they operate the same as the continent we were on, thus the two have been connected somehow, then what's the point of going there to separate from the first continent if they are still connected? Replace continent with galaxy and we have the problem this new "Mass Effect" game would have. 

 

So you wouldn't be freaking out so much if ME Andromeda had some callbacks to the previous trilogy?

 

Because they could literally just have the player receive emails or whatever over a QEC link. Maybe even a conversation. 

[Iakus]

Not really, if a DA took place in another continent it would still be Dragon Age because it still takes place in the Dragon Age

Just to reiterate the point I was trying to make:

 

 

As for it "feeling like Mass Effect"  Anyone here remember the backlash with Dragon Age 2?  The style change, the shift in combat "when you push a button, something awesome has to happen"?  Redesigned elves?  This rumor, if true, would be an even more intense shift.  It would be like transporting DA4's setting to a completely unexplored continent, leaving behind all previous Dragon Age lore;  the looming threat of war with the Qunari, the Grey Wardens, the Deep Roads,  the Blackened City, red lyrium.   All of it.  For something totally different.  Even if it was done well, it wouldn't be Dragon Age.  It would be some other fantasty game with "Dragon Age" stamped on the label.

 

There's more to a setting than just slapping a name on it.   THe stuff that makes Dragon Age unique is a variety of things in its setting.  Same as Mass Effect.  If ME were to pull up stakes and relocate to a completely different location (even if that was feasible given the technology base) it wouldn't be Mass Effect because the stuff that Mass Effect was built upon would be gone.

 

As an example, does anyone here remember Stargate Universe?  Not a bad show, imo.  But it simply wasn't Stargate for me.

 

No, if they were to go with some sort of Ark Theory, it would be much more feasilbe to simply take a bunch of ships out into dark space, power down for a couple centuries, then return to the Milky Way.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That's subjective, you feel that Mass Effect is just about the Milky Way others don't feel this way

No, the Milky Way was just the stage. The people, the technology, and the lore made up the setting. 

 

If we go to a new galaxy, we lose two of those three things, and nearly use the first as well other than a few are along for the ride.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

So you wouldn't be freaking out so much if ME Andromeda had some callbacks to the previous trilogy?

 

Because they could literally just have the player receive emails or whatever over a QEC link. Maybe even a conversation. 

If they made it so the first three games actually mattered rather than just brushing them to the side, yes I would be happier. But they won't, since then that doesn't let them ignore addressing what happened like they apparently want to. 

[AresKeith]

No, the Milky Way was just the stage. The people, the technology, and the lore made up the setting. 

 

If we go to a new galaxy, we lose two of those three things, and nearly use the first as well other than a few are along for the ride.

 

And given the way ME3 ended two of those three are changed