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SAVE THE MILKYWAY! Mass Effect 4 to DELETE MILKYWAY BECAUSE ANDROMEDA?


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#751
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Not even the Reapers.


Yes, they can, actually. They dont have to discharge their drive cores and they don't have to refuel, at least in any meaningful way relative to how the FTL tech of the galaxies' races work. They can thus travel for all intents and purposes indefinitely at FTL. They travel 30 light years per day. At that speed, they would reach Andromeda in 230 years. A blink of an eye for a Reaper.

So, sorry but the codex, lore, and basic extrapolation says they can do it. Whether or not they DID do it or would do it is a different story. That is unknown.

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Not at the current tech level it's not.  

 

You can't make an absolute statement like this without knowing everything that is happening everywhere in the setting. Which you don't.



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Our cycle isn't at the Reaper's tier of technology.


What's your point?

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What's your point?

Just because Reapers can do something doesn't mean we can. 



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Just because Reapers can do something doesn't mean we can. 

 

Perhaps they just want to borrow Reaper tech..... and then create an AI that manages the flight and voyage and the cryogenic status of the crew for hundreds of years.

 

 

That sounds like it'd go over well. :P



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Perhaps they just want to borrow Reaper tech..... and then create an AI that manages the flight and voyage and the cryogenic status of the crew for hundreds of years.

 

 

That sounds like it'd go over well. :P

Sovereign will be the shackled AI of the new ship.  :D



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You can't make an absolute statement like this without knowing everything that is happening everywhere in the setting. Which you don't.

 

Unless Bioware decides to either

 

1) focus on a completely different civilization than the Council or Terminus that we simply have never heard of, yet is much more advanced than anything we have seen

 

or 2) Advance the timeline so far that the tech is so advanced as to be unrecognizable

 

or 3) Bioware decides to drop yet another load of space magic like unto the Lazarus Project or the Crucible

 

then I think I can speak with a reasonable degree of certainty that intergalactic travel is at best unfeasible and at worst suicidal.



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Perhaps they just want to borrow Reaper tech..... and then create an AI that manages the flight and voyage and the cryogenic status of the crew for hundreds of years.

 

 

That sounds like it'd go over well. :P

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Unless Bioware decides to either

 

1) focus on a completely different civilization than the Council or Terminus that we simply have never heard of, yet is much more advanced than anything we have seen

 

or 2) Advance the timeline so far that the tech is so advanced as to be unrecognizable

 

or 3) Bioware decides to drop yet another load of space magic like unto the Lazarus Project or the Crucible

 

then I think I can speak with a reasonable degree of certainty that intergalactic travel is at best unfeasible and at worst suicidal.

 

Well, people here do keep pointing out how much of the galaxy is still unexplored. The truth is, we really have no idea what else might be out there to find that could enable us to make that kind of leap. We just have to wait and see.



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Well, people here do keep pointing out how much of the galaxy is still unexplored. The truth is, we really have no idea what else might be out there to find that could enable us to make that kind of leap. We just have to wait and see.

So wouldn't it make more sense to make a game about finding this mysterious stuff in our own backyard, rather than go cruising around in an Infinite Improbability drive no one's ever heard of before?



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So wouldn't it make more sense to make a game about finding this mysterious stuff in our own backyard, rather than go cruising around in an Infinite Improbability drive no one's ever heard of before?


Because the biggest threat to the Mass Effect universe can never be beaten - the ending. :P
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So wouldn't it make more sense to make a game about finding this mysterious stuff in our own backyard, rather than go cruising around in an Infinite Improbability drive no one's ever heard of before?

 

I don't see why either of those should make less sense than the other. They are just two different premises.


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I don't see why either of those should make less sense than the other. They are just two different premises.

Because our cycle doesn't have technology capable of intergalactic travel but does have technology capable of interstellar travel. 


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Not even the Reapers.

Congratz for your new job as Bioware lead writer. I'm sad to see that your retcon the lore though.


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Congratz for your new job as Bioware lead writer. I'm sad to see that your retcon the lore though.

 

I'm only going to hope Arcian is right.

 

Because if not, then more reapers are out there. Because if they could travel that far, they would. And the ME trilogy is unresolved, yet again. And personally, I'm ****** tired of reapers.



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Because the biggest threat to the Mass Effect universe can never be beaten - the ending. :P

Then give it the greatest insult you can give an enemy: to be ignored.  And make the next story into a "pure krogan"


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I'm only going to hope Arcian is right.

 

Because if not, then more reapers are out there. Because if they could travel that far, they would. And the ME trilogy is unresolved, yet again. And personally, I'm ****** tired of reapers.

Not neccesarily. The entire Reaper armada can travel together for maximum efficiency, meaning all were in the Milky Way during ME3. 



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I'm only going to hope Arcian is right.

 

Because if not, then more reapers are out there. Because if they could travel that far, they would. And the ME trilogy is unresolved, yet again. And personally, I'm ****** tired of reapers.

 

Not really, just because they can doesn't mean they did



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Not really, just because they can doesn't mean they did

 

I've had this argument multiple times now... and it boils down to the same thing. 

 

That some people think the Reapers are merely concerned about the Milky Way. I don't want to be rude, but I have to shake my head at that.. They were focused on general problem solving. Not mere enviromental issues. Big picture sh*t, on how to solve organic/synthetic conflict. In which case, they would turn their eyes everywhere for a solution, if they were able to. The Harvest wasn't their endgame. Synthesis is. And until Shepard, they didn't know how it could work. But they knew it was a possibility. And if they knew this, they would be open to traveling outside the galaxy to see if there was an answer there.


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I'm only going to hope Arcian is right.
 
Because if not, then more reapers are out there. Because if they could travel that far, they would. And the ME trilogy is unresolved, yet again. And personally, I'm ****** tired of reapers.


Apparently, one running theory is that the Reapers are capable of traveling to Andromeda, yet don't because they have a headache and aren't in the mood.

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Apparently, one running theory is that the Reapers are capable of traveling to Andromeda, yet don't because they have a headache and aren't in the mood.

 

Sadly, that works better for me. 



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I've had this argument multiple times now... and it boils down to the same thing. 

 

That some people think the Reapers are merely concerned about the Milky Way. I don't want to be rude, but I have to shake my head at that.. They were focused on general problem solving. Not mere enviromental issues. Big picture sh*t, on how to solve organic/synthetic conflict. In which case, they would turn their eyes everywhere for a solution, if they were able to. The Harvest wasn't their endgame. Synthesis is. And until Shepard, they didn't know how it could work. But they knew it was a possibility. And if they knew this, they would be open to traveling outside the galaxy to see if there was answer there.

 

That's kinda over-thinking it really

 

Yes they were looking for other solutions, but they were ultimately galactic janitors since we no indication that they do go to other galaxies because the Star Brat would have mentioned it  



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Apparently, one running theory is that the Reapers are capable of traveling to Andromeda, yet don't because they have a headache and aren't in the mood.


Or they are lazy, when there's a regular supply of beings to rape, torture, kill and indoctrinate on your doorstep who wants to slog their way to a new galaxy.

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Yes they were looking for other solutions, but they were ultimately galactic janitors since we no indication that they do go to other galaxies because the Star Brat would have mentioned it


Why would the Catalyst mention it?

"Oh, and yeah, we do this in Andromeda and Triangulum too, so neener-neener."

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Or they are lazy, when there's a regular supply of beings to rape, torture, kill and indoctrinate on your doorstep who wants to slog their way to a new galaxy.


There isn't a regular supply, though.

Assuming the only reason they exist is to "rape, torture, kill and indoctrinate" instead of follow a mandate about exerting order over the chaos of organic evolution, why wait 50k years for one galaxy to respawn when you can bounce between three galaxies (and their little cousins and nephews for kicks and giggles) every 10-15k? Even that seems lazy.

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That's kinda over-thinking it really

 

Yes they were looking for other solutions, but they were ultimately galactic janitors since we no indication that they do go to other galaxies because the Star Brat would have mentioned it  

 

Let me ask one thing: Do you respect the reapers? Because I do. I want to destroy them, but don't see them as mere janitors. After all, they are computers... and if anything, that means they are process oriented and algorithmic, not just task based. An AI would always be mindful of underlying logic, it would simply "think", and not just "do", and improve upon tasks given to them or question whether the task is even worth doing. And they would be "curious" about new data that improves these tasks further. So for this, I respect them...faulty as they might be.

 

I think they just churn out the Harvests simply because no other opportunity has changed the parameters yet. But the thing is, opportunity would abound in the unknown (like another galaxy). They would seek that, if they could. They themselves want to change the parameters. And another galaxy is the most obvious way to do that.