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SAVE THE MILKYWAY! Mass Effect 4 to DELETE MILKYWAY BECAUSE ANDROMEDA?


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#876
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It would have to be a hell of a good reason to go on a one-way trip in enough numbers to do what this supposed "leak" claims.


Agreed, but I'm not seeing a shortage of good reasons, or the potential for really good reasons.
 

WEll for several centuries it would be pretty boring.  Nothing but the black of dark space year after year... ;)


Oh, you. You know what I mean.
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Lowest common denominator after the end of ME3 is that either 1) you destroy tens/hundreds of thousands of reapers, 2) you control tens/hundreds of thousands of reapers, 3) you're all kawaii with tens/hundreds of thousands of reapers, 4) you're still getting wiped out by tens/hundreds of thousands of reapers... either way there's plenty of reaper drives to be recovered or used, maybe that's how they get around the "because space magic" issue

I don't really see what having Reaper-tier Eezo cores available has to do with what I said about the perils of a cluster that is really close together. If by space magic you mean travelling to those stars without Mass Relays, I never said it wasn't possible. I said it wasn't practical. If by space magic you mean getting to Andromeda, as I said I'm perfectly willing to accept the trip as possible if it takes place after the Reaper War for exactly the same reason you stated. The problem is some are saying it will happen before the end of the Reaper War. 



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Do you have data for that or are you just making it up?

 

We don't detect any planets in dense clusters.


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They'll probably throw a ship at a black hole and techno-babble that it's a one in a million shot as an excuse for it never happening again (or ever happening in the past, cause otherwise all those rogue AI's the Starchild predicts would have conquered us already).



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We don't detect any planets in dense clusters.

Yep. Not even gas giants, which are believed to be the first planets formed in any stellar system. If those can't exist yet, then terrestrial worlds, especially ones that can harbor life, couldn't exist yet either. 



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They'll probably throw a ship at a black hole and techno-babble that it's a one in a million shot as an excuse for it never happening again.


... probably.

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Also, my theory lines up with an idea dreamgazer gave. Due to everyone involved forgetting about the dark energy issue (with the reapers and all), it gets out of control and the milky way is unstable and that is why the races abandon it. Explains the other races in the other galaxy.
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Would they still be able to send an ark/ship/whatever to another galaxy after the war if Shepard chose low ems? After seeing what happens to Earth I doubt it would be anytime soon that an ark/ship/whatever would be able to leave the Milky Way

 

If we do go to another galaxy, it would most likely happen before Shepard makes her choice.



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Also, my theory lines up with an idea dreamgazer gave. Due to everyone involved forgetting about the dark energy issue (with the reapers and all), it gets out of control and the milky way is unstable and that is why the races abandon it. Explains the other races in the other galaxy.

The other races in the other galaxy are almost definitely natives of that galaxy. 

 

Of all the ideas, the Milky Way becoming unstable due to a sudden incomprehensible spike in dark energy activity and power, is one of the worst. That is literally throwing everything about Mass Effect away other than the ark ship. 



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Would they still be able to send an ark/ship/whatever to another galaxy after the war if Shepard chose low ems? After seeing what happens to Earth I doubt it would be anytime soon that an ark/ship/whatever would be able to leave the Milky Way

 

If we do go to another galaxy, it would most likely happen before Shepard makes her choice.

Only Earth was burned lifeless in the low EMS ending. Unless they were building it on Earth, it shouldn't be affected much. 



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The other races in the other galaxy are almost definitely natives of that galaxy. 
 
Of all the ideas, the Milky Way becoming unstable due to a sudden incomprehensible spike in dark energy activity and power, is one of the worst. That is literally throwing everything about Mass Effect away other than the ark ship.


Other races as in the milky way races. And the dark energy plot was part of ME which was totally ignored in part 3. There were problems with it already in ME2 (tali mission), so why is it a bad idea?

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Other races as in the milky way races. And the dark energy plot was part of ME which was totally ignored in part 3. There were problems with it already in ME2 (tali mission), so why is it a bad idea?

Bioware didn't do a good job with the DE build up, it only relied on 3 or 4 vague lines and most of them came from optional missions.



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We don't detect any planets in dense clusters.

I asked because I didn't know, and I wasn't sure if Hanako was making something up.  Now I know.

 

But like I said, it isn't a problem.  Even at hundreds of lightyears, that's a journey of weeks or a few months for standard Mass Effect FTL across the entire cluster.  That's not enough to mandate a relay, especially since most of our destinations will probably be much closer.



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Bioware didn't do a good job with the DE build up, it only relied on 3 or 4 vague lines and most of them came from optional missions.


Well, they would atleast have something to start with. Wouldnt they?

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Even at hundreds of lightyears, that's a journey of weeks or a few months for standard Mass Effect FTL across the entire cluster.


That'll start rapidly eating up time, though, which will work against a versatile exploration philosophy.
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Only Earth was burned lifeless in the low EMS ending. Unless they were building it on Earth, it shouldn't be affected much. 

 If that was the case then all the endings that are picked, except refuse, would have no effect on any other planet.



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That'll start rapidly eating up time, though, which will work against a versatile exploration philosophy.

Maybe, but technically speaking similar amounts of time should be getting eaten up whenever we travel within star clusters in the games we've had so far.  That's why each of the other games takes place over a matter of months.  As long as the plot isn't too time sensitive (Which rarely works in exploration focused games anyway), it shouldn't be a problem.



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Man, I'm getting glossy-eyed from reading all this. In the end it'll likely be a very simple presentation, which does not go into nearly as much detail as the community will desire, and I feel like I'll be in a better position by default since I didn't spend months analyzing the pseudo-scientific storytelling possibilities. Knock yourselves everyone; I'll wake you up from your self-induced cryosleep come E3.
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#894
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If that was the case then all the endings that are picked, except refuse, would have no effect on any other planet.


If that were the case, the planet the Normandy landed on would be torched. It's not.

I think there's enough wriggle room there since Earth was the closest planet to the Crucible, the source of the energy.

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If that were the case, the planet the Normandy landed on would be torched. It's not.

I think there's enough wriggle room there since Earth was the closest planet to the Crucible, the source of the energy.

It seems everything about this ark thing will be all about how much wiggle room  it will need to happen if we go to another galaxy



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They wouldn't have a reason to go to Andromeda while 99% of the Milky Way is unexplored.

 

Since when does exploration need a reason other than "to see what's there"?

 

I mean, it's called exploration for a reason. The act of exploring itself can be its own reward. Look at all the great stuff that came out of our effort to shoot some humans to the moon in a giant tin can.



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It seems everything about this ark thing will be all about how much wiggle room it will need to happen if we go to another galaxy


No kidding. The first hour of a game set in this theory would be a hoot.
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 I don't understand something. IIRC, the supposed leak mentioned that we're going to Andromeda to find a new planet for humans--specifically. But why would we need to go all the way to Andromeda for that?

 

I could understand if it was just to go and explore. See what's there. But the leak makes it sound like this trip is not just exploration for exploration's sake.

 

I could have imagined that a worm hole opens up due to the Crucible firing. And perhaps some ships got caught up in it at that point. And ended up in Andromeda, But the leak sounds like much more of an organized endeavor.

 

Personally, I would have liked to have seen the ramifications of the Reaper war on the Milky Way. Even disregarding state of the galaxies choices, the Milky Way got battered very badly. It would have been interesting to me to see how that changed the MEU as I knew it.

 

However, I'm okay with going off to Andromeda, too. Mainly because it's unknown. There's no one there to fall back on, either.  No Council, no Alliance, no allies. Just you. And you have no idea how things work there; who are the good/bad guys; who is at war with who--and why? Truly, a stranger in a strange land. It makes me feel a certain sense of discovery again.

 

And the idea that we may be cut off from the Milky Way makes it feel more urgent, and a bit dangerous.



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The only bad, but not horrifically bad, reason to go to Andromeda is for the writers to be able to not deal with the cluster**** of an ending ... you can't honestly have a post synthesis game, playing some mind**** monstrosities with a mindset more alien than the Geth wouldn't work (Legion was more recognizeably human than the glowy hippies).


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Man, I'm getting glossy-eyed from reading all this. In the end it'll likely be a very simple presentation, which does not go into nearly as much detail as the community will desire, and I feel like I'll be in a better position by default since I didn't spend months analyzing the pseudo-scientific storytelling possibilities. Knock yourselves everyone; I'll wake you up from your self-induced cryosleep come E3.

 

Dude, what's the point of the forum if not that?