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SAVE THE MILKYWAY! Mass Effect 4 to DELETE MILKYWAY BECAUSE ANDROMEDA?


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Assuming this is true, it's because the ME3 affected the entire Milky Way. For us to explore the rest of the Galaxy they would have to make the game before ME3 or canonize one of the endings 

 

They could have just combined all three endings and made a story out of it.

 

One ending being the starting point, the simplest one, the other two being achieved through the plot somewhere down the line.



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I can see a way that makes everyone's head canon be real but at the same time side steps those choices.  This is how I predict it will go, I have mentioned this a few times in other threads as well but this is my take:

 

I believe this new Mass Effect game will initially actually be set during ME3/before the end events of ME3. Fearing the end of the universe, a group(All old ME species) is selected by the council to embark on an a mission to go to another universe to save their species/existence using ARK theories and untested technology(like Javik's prothean sleeping pod which had him sleeping for like 50000 years). They leave before the end of ME3(so no ending is canon) and before any major events that may affect certain species not being in this game, for example, leaving before you choose the geth over the quarians or vice versa. This way all major species are in the new ME game and some of YOUR choices can be ignored. The trip takes hundreds of years(or thousands, I have no idea how long it takes to travel to another galaxy) and then BAM, fresh start, new game, all those choices you made can be ignored, or at least most.

 

That way it ties into the Mass effect universe and like the "leaked" survey says, a galaxy untouched by Shepard's heroics. I noticed a lot of people complaining that they want to explore the milky way galaxy or to pick one ending and go with it. Unfortunately, Bioware will probably never do this, if they pick one, they potentially ****** off 2/3's of there fans, or 3/4's(if you count the refusal ending) and they will lose money as people mention many times in threads, they will not buy another bioware game if they dont make it a certain way and I am sure bioware knows how crazy the fans are, look at the ME3 ending debacle. In the end, Bioware is a business and they want to continue their franchise and make as much money as possible. So by continuing Mass Effect this route(the leaked survey way) they allow people to keep their head canon but side step their choices and make a fresh start.

 

Or at least thats how I hope it goes lol


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They could have just combined all three endings and made a story out of it.

 

One ending being the starting point, the simplest one, the other two being achieved through the plot somewhere down the line.

I would rather they just soft reboot the series like the plan seems to be than homogenize all 3 past endings. Deus Ex: Invisible War merged all 3 endings from the original Deus Ex, and Invisible War turned out to be completely terrible because of it.



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And there is nothing wrong with that. They are allowed to express their opinions just as much as those who like the idea are. 

 

If people like reposting the same stuff then be my guest.



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Bray could be a familiar face as a Batarian companion :P

 

I would rather learn about the person named Herk.

 

Seriously, that is the best name ever for a random mercenary. 



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I'm not really clear on what a restart entails exactly.

A restart basically starts fresh. It "restarts" the franchise to point 0 without any connection to the past installments or previous characters. The best franchise which does this from time to time and has become a tradition is Final Fantasy. It involves the same lore and a little bit of similarity of plots but is completely new i.e. Crystals, Good vs bad, Fantasy world cities, magic, turn-based combat, etc... All of the mechanisms of the previous games are there but the major characters and sometimes the settings are completely changed.

 

If you compare say Final Fantasy VII with Final Fantasy XV there are similarities being good vs bad, squad-mates, Materia and Crystals, and magic.

 

The major difference is the plot Final Fantasy VII is somewhat steam punk and darker while Final Fantasy XV is set in various kingdoms although it used to be more gothic but the devs changed this which is a shame really.

 

Then we have Mass Effect, now Bioware recently stated that they want the NEXT MASS EFFECT to be "MASS EFFECT" and not a spin off. This has different problems because "MASS EFFECT" To different people is not the same to how others views it. However, since Bioware owns the right and created the Mass Effect universe in the first place I think they have the right to construct what "Mass Effect" is wherein based on my observation and according to Bioware's announcements and articles published

 

Mass Effect is -> Space, Romance, laser weapons, apparently the Mako, exploration and possibly crafting. That's it and I have no idea or I can't remember if they ever mentioned continuity of lore or save imports because that's what made Mass Effect, Mass Effect for me



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A game set in Andromeda would be neither a restart nor a reboot, though.

 

It's a sequel, set in a different part of the universe.

 

Everything that Shepard did still happened, but we just won't see many of the consequences because they're too difficult to deal with in a game that doesn't have an unlimited budget and development time.

 

If people desperately need to find out what happened to the Milky Way after ME3, they have the Extended Cut slides. They were always intended to be the chronological endpoint of the trilogy, anyway - look back at the devs' statements when EC launched: the slides and the ending videos were showing the future of the galaxy for decades and centuries afterwards. 


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It's a sequel, set in a different part of the universe.

 

Everything that Shepard did still happened, but we just won't see many of the consequences because they're too difficult to deal with in a game that doesn't have an unlimited budget and development time.

 

If people desperately need to find out what happened to the Milky Way after ME3, they have the Extended Cut slides. They were always intended to be the chronological endpoint of the trilogy, anyway - look back at the devs' statements when EC launched: the slides and the ending videos were showing the future of the galaxy for decades and centuries afterwards. 

 

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if that's the case... the next game should be focused about a MLIKYWAY RESCUE squad trying to rescue the Ark people. Unless if the whole Council races died because Shepard chose refuse in which case we can not know because ARTISTIC BULL SHARK this is precisely why the Next Mass Effect game will be stupid and convoluted if they choose the ark it's a sorry excuse to be called a sequel



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if that's the case... the next game should be focused about a MLIKYWAY RESCUE squad trying to rescue the Ark people. Unless if the whole Council races died because Shepard chose refuse in which case we can not know because ARTISTIC BULL SHARK this is precisely why the Next Mass Effect game will be stupid and convoluted if they choose the ark it's a sorry excuse to be called a sequel

 

What's the point of going to rescue the ark? The ark people are fine. They have a cool new galaxy to explore and new races to meet.

 

By the time the Milky Way sent someone to Andromeda and back again, 500-1000 years would've passed. What's the point of rescuing them if they're going to come back to a completely different galaxy?



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What's the point of going to rescue the ark? The ark people are fine. They have a cool new galaxy to explore and new races to meet.

 

By the time the Milky Way sent someone to Andromeda and back again, 500-1000 years would've passed. What's the point of rescuing them if they're going to come back to a completely different galaxy?

Oh I don't know... if the galaxy is saved by Shepard I suppose we can just let innocent people die in infinite space then I mean who would know? right ? yeah because they have a new "Galaxy" to explore... if they would even get to that Galaxy and not be intercepted by some unknown life-form or SPACE PIRATES with ultra advanced weaponry that we have never seen before.

 

Besides  I can just send my sister and my loved ones to space right now and they would be "fine" since they have a new galaxy to explore while I sit here and type these sentences in front of my computer and forget that my sister or my loved ones even existed. :D oh btw now since you have mentioned it... the Ark is influenced because of MASS EFFECT 3 I think it would be better if we would include the Ark in the Extended cut since you know "If people desperately need to find out what happened to the Milky Way after ME3, they have the Extended Cut slides." The Ark also happens to be built in the Milkyway so include that one too in the extended cut and then we all live happily ever after because who the hell wants to know what happened to those Ark guys right? and what makes them so special? they start to colonize other planets? PFFT maybe they'll start a new war in Andromeda because the original inhabitants of that Galaxy sees them as a threat it would be impossible not to start a war in uncharted territories where there are different occupants.

 

So now we analyze, is the ARK THEORY A CONTINUATION? well no... it is a "different point of view" because we actually do not know in anyway what happened to the original story now if you use the "we don't know what happened to the original story because RGB endings" defense then I have no idea how it could be called as a sequel based on unkown RGB endings which can go side-ways, downwards, horizontal or vertical.

 

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Bioware's goal is to end Shepard with Mass Effect 3. If they truly want a new game they should and must not in anyway go with the ark theory at all because that theory is an attempt to be an indirect sequel which is problematic... it has unforeseen consequences and plot holes like the Milkyway suddenly becoming a huge mystery [and please don't bring up the extended cut explanation because it did not explain anything].

The best way to move the franchise forward is to start from scratch. RESTART THE MILKYWAY in a fresh state

will it be a monumental task to start explaining how the mass relays work all over again? what about the Council races? NO... They are the writers! do something! create a new means of transportation this is Mass Effect 4 not 3! change the history of these races in Mass Effect 4 the hell do I care

Will it be an alternate spin off universe? No, the right term will be A RESTART many RPG games does this i.e. Final Fantasy and Zelda Games to name a few. The mechanics are intact i.e. Space, Space guns and vehicles, N7 Program, Aliens and galaxies

Then give us Andromeda after the story of the new "hero" we can then move on to Andromeda.


Except what you've described is not the definition of a plot hole. Ignoring a prior aspect of a story is NOT a "plot hole", by definition, if they choose to do that.

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Quoting the dictionary makes you sound about five years old. It's silly.

 

I'm aware of what a sequel is.

 

People (including on this forum) have used the words "prequel" and "sequel" to mean any stories that take place chronologically before or after other things in the same universe. 

 

It does not have to be a direct continuation of the story with the same characters, and I don't think many people actually expect that. The developers have been quite clear that Shepard's story and the story of their companions is over. 

 

If the next game is set in Andromeda after the events of ME3, it will be a sequel to that game.


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Quoting the dictionary makes you sound about five years old. It's silly.

 

I'm aware of what a sequel is.

 

People (including on this forum) have used the words "prequel" and "sequel" to mean any stories that take place chronologically before or after other things in the same universe. 

 

It does not have to be a direct continuation of the story with the same characters, and I don't think many people actually expect that. The developers have been quite clear that Shepard's story and the story of their companions is over. 

 

If the next game is set in Andromeda after the events of ME3, it will be a sequel to that game.

Okay name one movie, book or any kind of story, lore or novel which has a sequel based on vague endings of the original or first plot? how can that be a sequel? it would be more of an alternate universe or a different point of view perspective than what a sequel is... it's like the story of SAVING PRIVATE RYAN IN NORMANDY BASED ON THE Rangers storming the beaches of Normandy while the 101st Airborne drops into German controlled France at the same date which is BAND OF BROTHERS, or the Marines storming IWO JIMA also at the same date and event which is THE PACIFIC... that is not a sequel.

 

Is it a continuation of the story of Mass Effect 3? No. like what you have already admitted it is not a direct continuation, it is a "different point of view" based on the same events, same problems and issues but on a different theater of space which is going to Andromeda. Just like how the 101st Airborne dropped into France in midnight to sabotage the communication lines of the Germans so the Rangers can storm Normandy without fearing the Germans of calling for reinforcements.



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Okay name one movie, book or any kind of story, lore or novel which has a sequel based on vague endings of the original or first plot? how can that be a sequel? it would be more of an alternate universe or a different point of view perspective than what a sequel is... it's like the story of SAVING PRIVATE RYAN IN NORMANDY BASED ON THE Rangers storming the beaches of Normandy while the 101st Airborne drops into German controlled France at the same date which is BAND OF BROTHERS, or the Marines storming IWO JIMA also at the same date event and which is THE PACIFIC... that is not a sequel.

 

Games are unique in the sense that the endings can be player-determined. This isn't a problem for any other kind of media, which has total control over its own narrative.

 

But if we're talking about stories that take place in the same universe with totally different locations, characters and plots, there are plenty.

 

For novels: many of the early and later Narnia books have almost no connection to any of the others; Redwall changes time periods, characters and location with every book, there's also Discworld.

 

I think the best example of games doing this is Elder Scrolls - all the games are sequels, set in different places and times to the previous stories. It's a good way they've found to avoid having to deal with the choices made by players.



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Games are unique in the sense that the endings can be player-determined. This isn't a problem for any other kind of media, which has total control over its own narrative.

 

But if we're talking about stories that take place in the same universe with totally different locations, characters and plots, there are plenty.

 

For novels: many of the early and later Narnia books have almost no connection to any of the others; Redwall changes time periods, characters and location with every book, there's also Discworld.

 

I think the best example of games doing this is Elder Scrolls - all the games are sequels, set in different places and times to the previous stories. It's a good way they've found to avoid having to deal with the choices made by players.

But the Elder Scrolls especially Skyrim ultimately admits what happens to the previous games. Books scattered around Skyrim talks about the Oblivion crisis and how a hero ended the issue... will we see a codex in Mass Effect 4 stating Shepard defeating the Reapers by destroying them? or will Bioware still defend their ARTISTIC BS and "respect player choices" and only state vague reasoning like "Shepard defeated the reapers" without answering the question how? and still calling it a sequel -_- more like a rip off to me.



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But the Elder Scrolls especially Skyrim ultimately admits what happens to the previous games. Books scattered around Skyrim talks about the Oblivion crisis and how a hero ended the issue... will we see a codex in Mass Effect 4 stating Shepard defeating the Reapers by destroying them? or will Bioware still defend their ARTISTIC BS and "respect player choices" and only state vague reasoning like "Shepard defeated the reapers" without answering the question how? and still calling it a sequel -_- more like a rip off to me.

 

People can make jokes about artistic integrity all they like, it's still Bioware's story.

 

It probably will be set in Andromeda, it will take place after ME3, and it will be a sequel. Fans have to either deal with that or spend their money on something else.


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People can make jokes about artistic integrity all they like, it's still Bioware's story.

 

It probably will be set in Andromeda, it will take place after ME3, and it will be a sequel. Fans have to either deal with that or spend their money on something else.

how can it take place after Mass Effect 3 when the Ark was sent to infinite space during the events of Mass Effect 3?

 

you are probably right. I think I need to find something else... I hope sword of the stars and Homeworld gets a discount on steam soon ~_~



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how can it take place after Mass Effect 3 when the Ark was sent to infinite space during the events of Mass Effect 3?

He means like this: 

 

ME3 takes place in 2186

The Ark arrives in Andromeda after that, like for example 2468, thus takes place after ME3. 



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The main thing that I'm worried about is the "explore hundreds of worlds!" comment.  What draws me the most to Mass Effect is a tight story.. and I would be bummed out if the game turned out to be open world with 4-6 hours of core story, but mostly just side fillers common in huge open world games.



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People can make jokes about artistic integrity all they like, it's still Bioware's story.

It probably will be set in Andromeda, it will take place after ME3, and it will be a sequel. Fans have to either deal with that or spend their money on something else.


The problem is that it is these same fans who will have a complete meltdown if bioware dare to take the approach of it being there story and choose an ending to carry on forward (As they should be able to as it is their story).

Shifting to another galaxy completely is conceding to this sense of fan entitlement (my choice! What about my choice! ).

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The main thing that I'm worried about is the "explore hundreds of worlds!" comment.  What draws me the most to Mass Effect is a tight story.. and I would be bummed out if the game turned out to be open world with 4-6 hours of core story, but mostly just side fillers common in huge open world games.

I'm almost certain that's marketing hyperbole.
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The problem is that it is these same fans who will have a complete meltdown if bioware dare to take the approach of it being there story and choose an ending to carry on forward (As they should be able to as it is their story).

Shifting to another galaxy completely is conceding to this sense of fan entitlement (my choice! What about my choice! ).

 

I think this approach is backwards - staying in the Milky Way is actually conceding to fan entitlement. People want the same thing that made them happy last time (more Shepard, more Garrus/Tali/[insert character], more Citadel, more of the same stories) and some are willing to sacrifice the game's storytelling integrity to get that again.

 

You don't think that if or when they announce ME: N is in Andromeda, the same old people are going to yell about how Bioware aren't letting them have more time with their favourite characters and stories? It would be *really easy* to just make ME:N a literal ME4 and fill it with fanservice + cameos from old characters, the harder thing to do was come up with a way to go in new directions without disregarding the choices players already made between ME-ME3. Moving to Andromeda is actually a clever way for the team to tell a story that they want to tell, while also not losing the spirit of "no canon" that they always said was Mass Effect.

 

Honouring people's choices isn't fan entitlement, it's the standard that Bioware set for themselves since the start of the series. The least they could do now is follow through with it.


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Why is it so important to go to another galaxy? Did folks make a choice that isn't popular with everyone else and by going to another galaxy it doesn't effect that choice? If the game does take place in another galaxy, what are we going to do? Explore 1% of that galaxy and then pack up and go to another galaxy and so on and so on.....? Does it mean that the Milky Way will never be visited again?

 

The guy says details have change over time. Every choice that was made could be different than what was seen in the game. It wouldn't be hard to remain in the Milky Way.

 

I for one would prefer to stay in the Milky Way, but if the game does take place in another galaxy, I will still preorder the game. At the moment everything is speculation until Bioware confirms whatever about the next game


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I think this approach is backwards - staying in the Milky Way is actually conceding to fan entitlement. People want the same thing that made them happy last time (more Shepard, more Garrus/Tali/[insert character], more Citadel, more of the same stories) and some are willing to sacrifice the game's storytelling integrity to get that again.

 

You don't think that if or when they announce ME: N is in Andromeda, the same old people are going to yell about how Bioware aren't letting them have more time with their favourite characters and stories? It would be *really easy* to just make ME:N a literal ME4 and fill it with fanservice + cameos from old characters, the harder thing to do was come up with a way to go in new directions without disregarding the choices players already made between ME-ME3. Moving to Andromeda is actually a clever way for the team to tell a story that they want to tell, while also not losing the spirit of "no canon" that they always said was Mass Effect.

 

Honouring people's choices isn't fan entitlement, it's the standard that Bioware set for themselves since the start of the series. The least they could do now is follow through with it.

 

How about lets not move to Andromeda while calling the next game a sequel... How about Restart the Milkyway to a fresh state and forget about Mass Effect 1, 2, and 3 and let the devs do or create what they want as a new story foundation for a new trilogy then make the protagonist "explore" Andromeda.



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What you mean exactly by "Restart the Milkyway to a fresh state" if it is not a reboot?