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[The Arbiter]

The thread title feels so over-dramatic



I would've been fine with them ending the series right there

Should I rename it to "milkyway is over-rated"? I bet you would love that

[AresKeith]

I'd be fine too.

 

 

But they should've known better.

 

It's not as simple as they should've known better, it's likely EA could've wanted more ME

[Torgette]

That's what I mean. Not just fans, but EA.

 

I think they forgot what they were sitting on: a popular franchise. Most companies would kill for that...and they don't just go away easily (for better or worse).

 

I think developers should be able to end a story how and when they want. Sure we the fans can always want more, hence why they're moving development to Edmonton while Montreal does a new IP, but it wasn't wrong for them to want Mass Effect to end as a trilogy.

[Kabooooom]

Which is why I think it's totally legit to retcon the endings. They are not the capstone they were originally meant to be.

I agree.

Shep semi-hallucinated the whole thing: It was an attempt by the Catalyst/Reapers to directly influence his mind (which they prove they already can do by manifesting as the child) in an attempt to make him abandon his mission while he bled out at the Citadel controls.

But Shep succeeds, somehow. All the rest of the galaxy knows is that the Crucible worked, it shorted the Reapers shields and the fleet fought them and won conventionally.

Now moving on to a next story in the Milky Way...

Honestly, I would be 100% fine with that.

[AresKeith]

I think developers should be able to end a story how and when they want. Sure we the fans can always want more, hence why they're moving development to Edmonton while Montreal does a new IP, but it wasn't wrong for them to want Mass Effect to end as a trilogy.

 

Though I'd argue the reason they wanted to end it was because they practically wrote themselves into a corner with ME3

[Torgette]

Though I'd argue the reason they wanted to end it was because they practically wrote themselves into a corner with ME3

 

They talked about their intentions before the game was announced and the leaked ending matched up with what was in the final game. Really it was their intention all along, and really only the last 5 minutes put them in that corner.

[AresKeith]

They talked about their intentions before the game was announced and the leaked ending matched up with what was in the final game. Really it was their intention all along, and really only the last 5 minutes put them in that corner.

 

I was actually talking about the Reaper War plot in-general

[Heimdall]

I think developers should be able to end a story how and when they want. Sure we the fans can always want more, hence why they're moving development to Edmonton while Montreal does a new IP, but it wasn't wrong for them to want Mass Effect to end as a trilogy.

I think you have that backwards. Edmonton is doing the new IP and Montreal is taking over Mass Effect.

[Torgette]

I was actually talking about the Reaper War plot in-general

 

Sure, well I guess they had to start that at some point, might as well with the 3rd game!

 

I think you have that backwards. Edmonton is doing the new IP and Montreal is taking over Mass Effect.

 

Oops, yep, you're right.

[Pasquale1234]

Which is why I think it's totally legit to retcon the endings.  They are not the capstone they were originally meant to be.

 

That sounds reasonable to me.

 

For my part, although I do have a set of choices that I would consider 'canon', I've done other playthroughs and made other choices.  If they were to canonize a starting world state that did not reflect my 'canon' choices, I would simply view it as one of many possible alternate universes.  That would not influence my purchase and/or ability to enjoy the next thing.

 

I do think, though, that a lot of the stories they intended to tell with the original setting they created are pretty much played out.  Historical inter-species conflicts all came to a head and were dealt with in ME3; and some people are very heavily invested in and attached to specific outcomes.  I really have to wonder how much they would need to focus on those previous events and outcomes in order to get another game in the same setting off to a (mostly) satisfying start.
 

[Iakus]

That sounds reasonable to me.

 

For my part, although I do have a set of choices that I would consider 'canon', I've done other playthroughs and made other choices.  If they were to canonize a starting world state that did not reflect my 'canon' choices, I would simply view it as one of many possible alternate universes.  That would not influence my purchase and/or ability to enjoy the next thing.

 

I do think, though, that a lot of the stories they intended to tell with the original setting they created are pretty much played out.  Historical inter-species conflicts all came to a head and were dealt with in ME3; and some people are very heavily invested in and attached to specific outcomes.  I really have to wonder how much they would need to focus on those previous events and outcomes in order to get another game in the same setting off to a (mostly) satisfying start.
 

As I've said, I prefer a "canon" that was unlike any possible outcome in ME3, no no ending could be said to be "favored" over any other.  Personally I think an outcome where the relays have been down for many years or even centuries would be cool.   A chance to completely remap explored space based on what the galactic powers were doing while cut off from the rest of the galaxy.

 

But while yes the old stories may be played out, there are any number of other stories to tell.  The relay network has never been fully mapped.  And who knows what might lie beyond the outer borders.

[Pasquale1234]

As I've said, I prefer a "canon" that was unlike any possible outcome in ME3, no no ending could be said to be "favored" over any other.  Personally I think an outcome where the relays have been down for many years or even centuries would be cool.   A chance to completely remap explored space based on what the galactic powers were doing while cut off from the rest of the galaxy.

 

But while yes the old stories may be played out, there are any number of other stories to tell.  The relay network has never been fully mapped.  And who knows what might lie beyond the outer borders.

 

It might be a little difficult to include other known species if the relay system is out - though I suppose most of them were on or around Earth during ME3's final battle.

 

I could see the premise of a Pathfinding mission centered on activating a relay for a one-way trip to parts unknown.

 

I certainly don't deny that there are still many opportunities to tell stories in The Milky Way.  I still think it would be harder for people to disconnect from the trilogy if we're still in TMW, though.
 

[Iakus]

It might be a little difficult to include other known species if the relay system is out - though I suppose most of them were on or around Earth during ME3's final battle.

 

I could see the premise of a Pathfinding mission centered on activating a relay for a one-way trip to parts unknown.

 

I certainly don't deny that there are still many opportunities to tell stories in The Milky Way.  I still think it would be harder for people to disconnect from the trilogy if we're still in TMW, though.
 

 

I was thinking a galaxy setting where the relay system is only recently back up and running, and exploring the changes that have gone on in the meantime.  I mean, is Thessia still this major cultural center, or is it something like a Mad Max movie, with hot blue space babes?  Or what would Eden Prime and nearby systems look like if cut off from the galaxy for a while?

 

I don't think disconnecting from the old series would be as hard as all that.  Especially if you're exploring unknown parts of the relay network, or beyond.  It's a big, big galaxy.

[Pasquale1234]

I was thinking a galaxy setting where the relay system is only recently back up and running, and exploring the changes that have gone on in the meantime.  I mean, is Thessia still this major cultural center, or is it something like a Mad Max movie, with hot blue space babes?  Or what would Eden Prime and nearby systems look like if cut off from the galaxy for a while?

 

I don't think disconnecting from the old series would be as hard as all that.  Especially if you're exploring unknown parts of the relay network, or beyond.  It's a big, big galaxy.

 

Your first paragraph kind of sums up my concerns about people having trouble disconnecting from associations with the trilogy.  Revisiting places we've been before is something we need to get away from if this thing is going to move forward.

 

Hey, I'd love to see how things work out for the Krogan if Wrex & Eve are left in charge and the genophage cured.  I might be disappointed, though, if 1) It doesn't work out the way I had hoped when I made those choices in the trilogy, or 2) They canonize some other choice wrt the Krogan.
 

[goishen]

I'd be fine with just a space magic asplosion and hey, we're in Andromeda, at this point.

 

Just give us something BioWare.  Even if it's enough to gossip about ME like I was a 12 yo.

 

*frustrated*

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I agree.

Shep semi-hallucinated the whole thing: It was an attempt by the Catalyst/Reapers to directly influence his mind (which they prove they already can do by manifesting as the child) in an attempt to make him abandon his mission while he bled out at the Citadel controls.

But Shep succeeds, somehow. All the rest of the galaxy knows is that the Crucible worked, it shorted the Reapers shields and the fleet fought them and won conventionally.

Now moving on to a next story in the Milky Way...

Honestly, I would be 100% fine with that.

So use the Indoctrination Theory essentially? 

[MrMrPendragon]

So use the Indoctrination Theory essentially? 

 

Extreme Indoctrination Theory: Everything after Eden Prime was a dream. The next two games were all dreams. Shepard is still knocked out and laying beside the Prothean beacon in Eden Prime

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Extreme Indoctrination Theory: Everything after Eden Prime was a dream. The next two games were all dreams. Shepard is still knocked out and laying beside the Prothean beacon in Eden Prime

Relevant:

[Seishoujyo]

So if it's not the Milky Way it isn't Mass Effect ? Ha ha ha, oh boy... You people are amazing.

 

I really don't care, if this leak is true i think it's awesome, to be able to discover something new I really like it, I see a lot of good ideas here and a great potential for a great Mass Effect game, maybe even a new trilogy.

[Iakus]

Your first paragraph kind of sums up my concerns about people having trouble disconnecting from associations with the trilogy.  Revisiting places we've been before is something we need to get away from if this thing is going to move forward.

 

Hey, I'd love to see how things work out for the Krogan if Wrex & Eve are left in charge and the genophage cured.  I might be disappointed, though, if 1) It doesn't work out the way I had hoped when I made those choices in the trilogy, or 2) They canonize some other choice wrt the Krogan.
 

But we still need touchstones to remind us that this is Mass Effect, not a "spiritual successor" to Mass Effect.  Leaving the galaxy would remove these reminders, likely to the point where it might as well be a completely different IP.

[Sion1138]

Your first paragraph kind of sums up my concerns about people having trouble disconnecting from associations with the trilogy.  Revisiting places we've been before is something we need to get away from if this thing is going to move forward.

 

Well, that just about approximates the complete anti-thesis of my attitude.

 

You could say that about anything. Take the next Star Wars film for example. Would people have trouble disconnecting from associations to the trilogy? You can bet your ass they would. But that's why Luke Skywalker is in it, and Han Solo and freaking everyone else.

 

Imagine if they said: This is another galaxy far, far, and still farther away. Luke and the gang are over in trilogy land doing whatever. They're probably all dead by now or something, but who cares about them, right?

 

That would be a cataclysm.

 

So, personally, I'm not sure I'm going to be able to swallow the galaxy switch, and quite frankly, I don't think I'll be able to swallow not being Commander Shepard.

 

For quite a long time, 5 years of Mass Effect games, somewhere between 100 and 200 hours, I was Shepard.

 

Now at some point I'll be back in that same universe, but I'll be some other schmuck instead and I fear that the repeated recall of the fact that I am now not-Commander not-Shepard will severely diminish the experience.

 

I mean, in the end, I will buy the damn game anyway because Bioware has me by the stars. It so happens, that I am a lover of Science Fiction and of Role-Playing, and that Mass Effect is the only Science Fiction (action) RPG out there.

[prosthetic soul]

Well, that just about approximates the complete anti-thesis of my attitude.

 

You could say that about anything. Take the next Star Wars film for example. Would people have trouble disconnecting from associations to the trilogy? You can bet your ass they would. But that's why Luke Skywalker is in it, and Han Solo and freaking everyone else.

 

Imagine if they said: This is another galaxy far, far, and still farther away. Luke and the gang are over in trilogy land doing whatever. They're probably all dead by now or something, but who cares about them, right?

 

That would be a cataclysm.

 

So, personally, I'm not sure I'm going to be able to swallow the galaxy switch, and quite frankly, I don't think I'll be able to swallow not being Commander Shepard.

 

For quite a long time, 5 years of Mass Effect games, somewhere between 100 and 200 hours, I was Shepard.

 

Now at some point I'll be back in that same universe, but I'll be some other schmuck instead and I fear that the repeated recall of the fact that I am now not-Commander not-Shepard will severely diminish the experience.

 

I mean, in the end, I will buy the damn game anyway because Bioware has me by the stars. It so happens, that I am a lover of Science Fiction and of Role-Playing, and that Mass Effect is the only Science Fiction (action) RPG out there.

I second this notion, except for the last part.  I will not be buying the game.  Bioware lost me the second they stuck to their guns and shouted ARTISTIC INTEGRITY to the rooftops.  Until I get closure on the Shepard I played as for five years straight I will not be supporting the Mass Effect franchise any longer.  And after the disappointing Dragon Age Inquisition, I sincerely doubt I'll be supporting Bioware any longer for that matter!  Three strikes and you're out man.  Three freaking strikes.  (DA 2, ME 3, DA: I)  Nothing short of a Jade Empire 2 announcement could possibly get Bioware into my good graces again. 

 

As for the topic, I've read the leaks and I'm none too impressed.  I mean honestly, a whole new GALAXY for God's sake?  That makes no freaking sense.  And it's physically infeasible!  Even with FTL speeds! 

 

Reapers are estimated to be able to cover 30 light-years in 24 hours, which equates to 10,958x the speed of light.

The Andromeda Galaxy is 2,538,000 light-years away, which at reaper speeds would still take 232 years. So either the Milky Way's races reverse engineered reaper tech and greatly improved upon it, or they were sent in cryo-sleep over centuries.

An alternative is that Reapers are an intergalactic species and they have at least a few Mass Relays in other galaxies, and we get exploration through that a la the Wormhole in DS9.

[Kabooooom]

I second this notion, except for the last part. I will not be buying the game. Bioware lost me the second they stuck to their guns and shouted ARTISTIC INTEGRITY to the rooftops. Until I get closure on the Shepard I played as for five years straight I will not be supporting the Mass Effect franchise any longer. And after the disappointing Dragon Age Inquisition, I sincerely doubt I'll be supporting Bioware any longer for that matter! Three strikes and you're out man. Three freaking strikes. (DA 2, ME 3, DA: I) Nothing short of a Jade Empire 2 announcement could possibly get Bioware into my good graces again.

As for the topic, I've read the leaks and I'm none too impressed. I mean honestly, a whole new GALAXY for God's sake? That makes no freaking sense. And it's physically infeasible! Even with FTL speeds!

Reapers are estimated to be able to cover 30 light-years in 24 hours, which equates to 10,958x the speed of light.

The Andromeda Galaxy is 2,538,000 light-years away, which at reaper speeds would still take 232 years. So either the Milky Way's races reverse engineered reaper tech and greatly improved upon it, or they were sent in cryo-sleep over centuries.

An alternative is that Reapers are an intergalactic species and they have at least a few Mass Relays in other galaxies, and we get exploration through that a la the Wormhole in DS9.

This is why I hope the game, if not in the milky way, takes place in a satellite dwarf galaxy of the milky way and not Andromeda.

It's a great idea and solves every problem we've raised with the Andromeda thing. As if the writers didn't realize such a thing as a satellite galaxy existed...its not too late to change the Andromeda situation if they did decide to do it.