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[ZoliCs]

They didn't make the EC dlc to then turn the whole thing into a dream.

[Kabooooom]

They didn't make the EC dlc to then turn the whole thing into a dream.

No kidding. You missed my point. My point was that now, years later, they SHOULD. Retcon all of it. The whole disgusting mess of horrible writing. Throw it out the window, start fresh and move on with a true sequel.

And honestly, a ME trilogy re-release would be the perfect opportunity to do it.

Screw "artistic integrity". You wrote a piece of crap ending. It's so bad, if the leak is correct, you literally now have to move the story to another galaxy to avoid it. So erase it. Problem solved.

[ZoliCs]

They didn't do that 3 years ago, they won't do that now. Nor should they.

[Kabooooom]

They didn't do that 3 years ago, they won't do that now. Nor should they.

Why not? The ending is shitty, no? They literally cannot move the story on with a sequel in the MW without a) making it disconnected from the rest of the story, similar to the Andromeda concept, b ) homogenizing the endings or c) choosing a canon ending.

Try to find an alternative to those three. I can't think of one. Those are the options they are left with. Instead, they pulled a refuse and said screw that, we'll just move to Andromeda (if we are to believe the leak). I'm fine with that, to be honest. But eventually, if they EVER want to move the story back, that's their choices. Back to the drawing board.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

They didn't do that 3 years ago, they won't do that now. Nor should they.

Of course you'd say that. Anything to support your precious Ark Theory. 

[Kabooooom]

Of course you'd say that. Anything to support your precious Ark Theory.

At this point, I bet the Ark Theory is probably right. Hell, I was one of the first people here to suggest it as an alternative like 15 months ago.

But there is another alternative. Erase the endings and move on.

Honestly, I didn't have a preference either way. But now I am leaning more towards retconning or choosing a canon ending and say "oh sorry, you picked the wrong choice suckas" because anything else just kind of feels like they are running away from their mistakes in the end.

That said, I am looking forward to an adventure in a brand new region of space, isolated from the rest of the trilogy. But you can't keep doing that forever.

[von uber]

You are all worrying too much. After all, me6 is the perfect place to start the trilogy.

[themikefest]

They didn't do that 3 years ago, they won't do that now. Nor should they.

You're right that they didn't do that 3 years ago. Today, its a lot of new people working on the game so it might be possible if they choose

 

I believe if we do go to another galaxy, it gives them time away from the trilogy to focus on the upcoming game. Once done, they can take a look at the trilogy again and see about having another game that takes place in the Milky Way. That time will give them fresh ideas to have a game takes  place in the Milky Way and if possible, if they choose, could bring Shepard back for another game. I will admit I would like to have another game featuring Shepard, but if that never happens, I won't lose any sleep over it

[The Arbiter]

You're right that they didn't do that 3 years ago. Today, its a lot of new people working on the game so it might be possible if they choose

 

I believe if we do go to another galaxy, it gives them time away from the trilogy to focus on the upcoming game. Once done, they can take a look at the trilogy again and see about having another game that takes place in the Milky Way. That time will give them fresh ideas to have a game take place in the Milky Way and if possible, if they choose, could bring Shepard back for another game. I will admit I would like to have another game featuring Shepard, but if that never happens, I won't lose any sleep over it

you know that's never gonna happen. The way how they messed effect everything in the last minute but that was totally forgivable to me since they "originally planned" to kill the Mass Effect franchise with 3 but the execution was rushed as if they wanted to ahhh the hell with this let's end it...but you know? Bioware has nothing to do anymore, no more money so let's "hey revive the Mass Effect series" yeah great idea and become like 2K Australia devs that went under because of Borderlands the pre-Sequel

[Kabooooom]

you know that's never gonna happen. The way how they messed effect everything in the last minute but that was totally forgivable to me since they "originally planned" to kill the Mass Effect franchise with 3 but the execution was rushed as if they wanted to ahhh the hell with this let's end it...but you know? Bioware has nothing to do anymore, no more money so let's "hey revive the Mass Effect series" yeah great idea and become like 2K Australia devs that went under because of Borderlands the pre-Sequel

I'm not privy to their financial records, but I'm pretty sure Bioware has plenty of money.

They are making ME4 (I refuse to call it Mass Effect: Next) because Mass Effect is awesome AND because it makes money. So it makes money? They're a business. They make money. And they need to make awesome games to make money or they wont be able to make games anymore, awesome or not.

So I'm not too worried about ME4. They've flopped before. We will see how this one goes.

Optimistically, it CANT be worse writing than the last ten minutes of ME3. They can only go up from here, right?

[prosthetic soul]

Pushing the endings under the proverbial rug is only going to make matters worse for Bioware.  Just keep diggin that hole boys. 

[Torgette]

Why not? The ending is shitty, no? They literally cannot move the story on with a sequel in the MW without a) making it disconnected from the rest of the story, similar to the Andromeda concept, b ) homogenizing the endings or c) choosing a canon ending.

Try to find an alternative to those three. I can't think of one. Those are the options they are left with. Instead, they pulled a refuse and said screw that, we'll just move to Andromeda (if we are to believe the leak). I'm fine with that, to be honest. But eventually, if they EVER want to move the story back, that's their choices. Back to the drawing board.

 

It's been done before, what you generally do is build up plot points that can influence the lowest common denominators of an ending - such that the ending can be changed without changing the ending. You basically inverse the effects of a story onto the previous story, ie: something in Andromeda has such a huge effect that it affects the Milky Way as well - in this you now have a tool to shape the Milky Way regardless of how big the consequences were at the end of ME3.

 

If they wish to address the future of the Milky Way in the Mass Effect universe though, they're going to have to leave it first and do something else.

[Sion1138]

It's been done before, what you generally do is build up plot points that can influence the lowest common denominators of an ending - such that the ending can be changed without changing the ending. You basically inverse the effects of a story onto the previous story, ie: something in Andromeda has such a huge effect that it affects the Milky Way as well - in this you now have a tool to shape the Milky Way regardless of how big the consequences were at the end of ME3.

 

If they wish to address the future of the Milky Way in the Mass Effect universe though, they're going to have to leave it first and do something else.

 

No way. You can't do it.

 

The ending of ME3 is "...happily ever after.".

 

You can't change it without changing it.  

[prosthetic soul]

No way. You can't do it.

 

The ending of ME3 is "...happily ever after.".

 

You can't change it without changing it.  

 

That's actually up for debate.  >_>

[Sion1138]

That's actually up for debate.  >_>

 

Yeah, well, I didn't mean it literally.

[Torgette]

No way. You can't do it.

 

The ending of ME3 is "...happily ever after.".

 

You can't change it without changing it.  

 

I guess they had a time machine to find that out?

[The Elder King]

Pushing the endings under the proverbial rug is only going to make matters worse for Bioware.  Just keep diggin that hole boys.

Depends. In other forums if seems a lot like this idea.

[dan155]

You wrote a piece of crap ending. It's so bad, if the leak is correct, you literally now have to move the story to another galaxy to avoid it. So erase it. Problem solved.

 

Having to move to another Galaxy doesn't mean the ending was bad, any ending with a divergent set of outcomes would have precluded a prequel set in the Milky Way.  

[ZoliCs]

Why not? The ending is shitty, no? 

Not in my opinion.

[ZoliCs]

Of course you'd say that. Anything to support your precious Ark Theory. 

Drop the ad hominem.

[Helios969]

What happens long term will be predicated on how well this new game is written and received.  I wrote up a similar concept to this Ark in the early days of the ME3 ending debacle though it was centered around a multispecies fleet experimenting with alternative FTL travel that accidentally lands them in Andromeda.  At the time it was purely a thought experiment and how you flesh out a game that is neither prequel or sequel.  What it provides is all the things that are familiar to the player with races and weapons and technology but also gives a clean slate in terms of adding new alien races and environments.  Basic premise was two major factions at war with one another over control of the galaxy or quadrant or whatever scale...  You would need to interact with both in order to secure resources to make the appropriate repairs to the technology that landed you in Andromeda in the first place.  Over the course of the game you explore the political nuances of each side and ultimately throw in with one or the other to tip the balance of power...or maybe even not.  "We've made our repairs...feel free to kill one another" choice might kind of be cool.

 

Personally I'd love nothing more for Bioware to reboot Shepard and write a consistent and coherent narrative start to finish.  Our Shepard's were too awesome to go out on such a lame and nonsensical ending.  Frankly I'm glad we're getting the hell out of the Milky Way for awhile, cause a sequel to ME3 that isn't completely lame is going to be damn hard to do.  I laugh each time I see everything with green, glowing eyes and IC traces woven into everything.  Imagine ME sequel with that, or smashed up relays, or Reapers running around like the Citadel Keepers, not to mention all the husks, brutes, banshees, etc...suddenly at peace with organics.  How does one even begin to write a sequel with such a laughable mess?

[ElitePinecone]

How does one even begin to write a sequel with such a laughable mess?

 

Well, that's kinda the whole point.

 

A sequel was never planned for ME3. Casey even said before it launched that they'd have to set future games during or before Shepard's trilogy. The Extended Cut doubled down on that by making the endings more different and showing the future(s) of the galaxy for centuries after.

 

When lots of fans said they wanted something set afterwards, the writers had to come up with a solution that let them move forward without having to deal with the hugely divergent outcomes of the trilogy. 

[Kabooooom]

Not in my opinion.

So when you watched the ending, you honestly and truly thought "wow, that is some stellar writing right there?"

I'm fine with the endings, I don't hate them, I make my Shep's story work. But there are about a hundred reasons why they aren't good, if I am being honest about it.

Different strokes, I guess.

[ZoliCs]

So when you watched the ending, you honestly and truly thought "wow, that is some stellar writing right there?"

 

I liked the post EC ending, that's all there is to it.

 

But there are about a hundred reasons why they aren't good, if I am being honest about it.

 

I've yet to hear more than a handful of objective reasons why it's bad. It's alright to hate the endings (I know you said you don't), but let's not pretend that everyone feels the same way about it or that Bioware is obligated to fix/retcon it.

[Kabooooom]

I liked the post EC ending, that's all there is to it.


I've yet to hear more than a handful of objective reasons why it's bad. It's alright to hate the endings (I know you said you don't), but let's not pretend that everyone feels the same way about it or that Bioware is obligated to fix/retcon it.

A "handful of objective reasons" is still pretty impressive.

I never said they were obligated to fix them, that's a bit hyperbolic on your behalf. I did imply though that if they ever want to make a Milky Way based sequel that is directly connected to prior settings that it would be impossible not to homogenize, retcon, or canonize an ending. Consequently, I do think that it would be enormously stupid not to, in that specific circumstance.

As long as they move the story away from the prior setting, I dont have a problem with them not addressing it at all. But surely you must realize that the choices I listed are pretty much the only choices, if they ever want a direct sequel, right?

Pretty much the only way to maintain player choice would be to make synthesis inevitable and put the setting in the far future. Which maintains choice, yes, but diminishes it drastically. The endings are so divergent that it makes far more practical sense just to wash their stain away