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SAVE THE MILKYWAY! Mass Effect 4 to DELETE MILKYWAY BECAUSE ANDROMEDA?


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#101
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No, if they left towards the end of the war, they could reference the outcomes of both the Genophage and Rannoch arcs.

I just can't wait until the third game where it turns out that a Remnant can join your squad if you pay for cut content dlc.

All engineers and resources were going to the Crucible by then, so if the ship hadn't left yet it wasn't leaving. 



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The survey mentions a Krogan and doing a loyalty mission for him involving other Krogans.
That would very much imply colonists of other races as well as humans.
Basically its transplanting cuttings of numerous races to new location if it comes to pass.


Which was the original ark proposal too. All major races, new setting with emphasis on exploration.

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Hence the at most 0.001% left out in my post. We'll have a few members of a at most a few races along for the ride, but that's still throwing their civilizations away. 
Also, humans wouldn't survive the trip either unless we are a descendant of the people who started the voyage.

Maybe different races sent different ships for the voyage in the Andromeda galaxy, meaning we'll still Have Some the previous trilogy's civilizations.
My point about characters is That even if MEN is set in the Milky Way, we might still have lost Most fo gen characters we know if some centuries passed After ME3.

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All engineers and resources were going to the Crucible by then, so if the ship hadn't left yet it wasn't leaving.


That's actually not mentioned in the narrative. They could easily just say "the asari had a contingency ark plan all along", making the asari councilor's words on preservation retroactive foreshadow.

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Maybe different races sent different ships for the voyage in the Andromeda galaxy, meaning we'll still Have Some the previous trilogy's civilizations.
My point about characters is That even if MEN is set in the Milky Way, we might still have lost Most fo gen characters we know if some centuries passed After ME3.

No, we'll have colonies. The civilizations are still gone. 

Yes, most of the named people we met would be gone, at least in most endings, but the civilizations and possibly descendants of those people will remain. This trip to Andromeda would throw all of that away just for at most a couple hundred random people from each race along for the ride. 

 

 

That's actually not mentioned in the narrative. They could easily just say "the asari had a contingency ark plan all along", making the asari councilor's words on preservation retroactive foreshadow.

Yes it is. Hackett says he is putting everything into Project Crucible, and after getting the other races to help they do the same because they see it as the only way to stop the Reapers. 

 

They can say that, yes, but it wold be a retcon. And if they're willing to retcon, it makes all the arguments that they won't or don't want to invalid. 



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No, we'll have colonies. The civilizations are still gone. 

Yes, most of the named people we met would be gone, at least in most endings, but the civilizations and possibly descendants of those people will remain. This trip to Andromeda would throw all of that away just for at most a couple hundred random people from each race along for the ride. 

 

Atleast you still have those people to reference those civilizations along with seeing new ones in Andromeda



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No, we'll have colonies. The civilizations are still gone.
Yes, most of the named people we met would be gone, at least in most endings, but the civilizations and possibly descendants of those people will remain. This trip to Andromeda would throw all of that away just for at most a couple hundred random people from each race along for the ride.


Yes it is. Hackett says he is putting everything into Project Crucible, and after getting the other races to help they do the same because they see it as the only way to stop the Reapers.

They can say that, yes, but it wold be a retcon. And if they're willing to retcon, it makes all the arguments that they won't or don't want to invalid.


Hackett only says he is throwing everything humanity has into the Crucible. The other races support it to varying degrees. The Salarians hardly support it at all, depending on your choices. The Asari similarly provide fleets and scientists, but hardly the entirety of their combined resources in their territories.

Indeed, the races that aren't attacked until later in the war are understandably reserved and focused on defense, rather than offense.

So no, it wouldn't be a retcon at all. I think you misinterpreted Hackett here.

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Atleast you still have those people to reference those civilizations along with seeing new ones in Andromeda

Oh, boy. That's what I want. A lot of "Hey, remember when..."s.  :(

 

If I wanted just new ones, I'd play a new franchise. 


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No, we'll have colonies. The civilizations are still gone. 
Yes, most of the named people we met would be gone, at least in most endings, but the civilizations and possibly descendants of those people will remain. This trip to Andromeda would throw all of that away just for at most a couple hundred random people from each race along for the ride. 
 
 

They new Colonies Could still decide to preserve their specie's traditions and culture, though I agree that it's not the same thing.
I understand your point, and as I said before, I'd prefer if the fake Would be set in the Milky way. I'm willing to wait and see What they did if the leaks are true though.

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Sounds more like canonising 'refuse ending' with a twist.

More like simply cutting the endings out of ME3's narrative.  The Reapers were defeated.  How doesn't matter.

 

Yes, I did. Because that's what Bioware said. 

 

There's your first mistake, trusting what Bioware says  :P

Cryostasis and A.I. piloted Ark ships.

There are your answers.

Until a few weeks or months into the journey, and the AIs get slagged from overheating and the whole fleet ends up drifting in dark space forever...


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#111
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That's actually not mentioned in the narrative. They could easily just say "the asari had a contingency ark plan all along", making the asari councilor's words on preservation retroactive foreshadow.

Uh, Hackett specifically says he wants "anyone who knows how to hold a hammer" working on the Crucible.


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No more of a retcon than javik's and co not being mentioned by vigil in ilos. Separate operations kept separate & secret.

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There's your first mistake, trusting what Bioware says  :P

Yeah. My hopes from what they say tend to be false, and my fears from what they say tend to be true. 



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More like simply cutting the endings out of ME3's narrative.  The Reapers were defeated.  How doesn't matter.
 


Yup. I can see Them avoiding how To deal With the ME3 endings

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Yup. I can see Them avoiding how To deal With the ME3 endings

 

I honestly don't blame them



#116
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Yup. I can see Them avoiding how To deal With the ME3 endings

Which is fine and understandable.  But fleeing the galaxy is a ludicrous way to go about it.

 

"Congrats, you just turned every species in the Mass Effect universe into quarians."


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Which is fine and understandable.  But fleeing the galaxy is a ludicrous way to go about it.
 
"Congrats, you just turned every species in the Mass Effect universe into quarians."

I agree.

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More like simply cutting the endings out of ME3's narrative.  The Reapers were defeated.  How doesn't matter.

 

How matters rather a lot. Basing a game in the Milky Way and avoiding whether there's reapers, genetically raped synthesised beings, broken relays, geth, quarians etc seems utterly impossible. Either you're canonising an ending or creating a new canon ending.



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Yeah, I'd rather they canonize a series of available end-states and jump into the future than put their tails between their legs and abandon the galaxy.
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Yeah, I'd rather they canonize a series of available end-states and jump into the future than put their tails between their legs and abandon the galaxy.


I'd prefer this as well, though I feared they'd decide to avoid the problem.

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I'd prefer this as well, though I feared they'd decide to avoid the problem.

Yeah avoiding it will only cause it to come back to bite them later on so its better to deal with the endings now and get it over with.


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Guys where is the rumor thread :#

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No more of a retcon than javik's and co not being mentioned by vigil in ilos. Separate operations kept separate & secret.

Like the crucible such a project wouldn't go unnoticed by the galaxy at large especially the shadow broker due to the share amount of resources needed to pull it off. The only reason why the reapers never found Ilos was because all records of it were destoryed.



#124
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Uh, Hackett specifically says he wants "anyone who knows how to hold a hammer" working on the Crucible.


Since when does hyperbole literally infer that every single human, salarian, asari, and turian engineer in the entire galaxy is devoted to constructing the crucible? Especially when all of the other species were skeptical of it for the majority of the war?

#125
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Guys where is the rumor thread :#

Bioware deleted or hid it. They do that to threads sometimes.