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[Hanako Ikezawa]

Not one with as much potential as Andromeda. Andromeda is a totally new galaxy that if managed right could easily accommodate another trilogy and beyond. As for breaking the Lore, claiming there's no way we could reach another Galaxy is rather silly when you realize how much Tech has already changed just in the time period we saw during the Shepard Trilogy. Most of the advancements we saw dealt with weapons, which made sense as we were soldiers. I mean there's nothing in the Lore of ME 1 that says you can bring a person back from the dead, yet here we are.

They could always go to one of the Dwarf Galaxies orbiting the Milky Way galaxy. Offers just as much "newness" as Andromeda would without shattering the established lore, since a trip that would take centuries even at Reaper FTL speeds would take years/decades at our cycle's FTL speeds depending on which Dwarf Galaxy they chose.Besides, we aren't even exploring all of Andromeda. The leak if true says we are going to remain in a single star cluster. A big star cluster, but a single star cluster. 

[Nohvarr]

They could always go to one of the Dwarf Galaxies orbiting the Milky Way galaxy. Offers just as much "newness" as Andromeda would without shattering the established lore, since a trip that would take centuries even at Reaper FTL speeds would take years/decades at our cycle's FTL speeds depending on which Dwarf Galaxy they chose.Besides, we aren't even exploring all of Andromeda. The leak if true says we are going to remain in a single star cluster. A big star cluster, but a single star cluster. 

Exactly. By only exploring a single star cluster in an entire galaxy you leave plenty of room to grow in following games.

 

As for breaking lore, Thermal clips didn't exist in ME 1, neither did Biotic abilities like charge, or Thanix canons. Lore is meant to explain the universe not just limit what is and is not possible. If we'd taken the same approach to lore with Star Trek, that you apply here,  we never would've gotten the Defiant, to say nothing of slipstream drive, replicators, holodecks, transwarp conduits, or the expansions of Klingon culture to name a few changes.

[AresKeith]

If it is an echo chamber, then I see widespread support. To the point where I don't know what to say anymore. Seems like a done deal.

 

Umm what?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Exactly. By only exploring a single star cluster in an entire galaxy you leave plenty of room to grow in following games.

 

As for breaking lore, Thermal clips didn't exist in ME 1, neither did Biotic abilities like charge, or Thanix canons. Lore is meant to explain the universe not just limit what is and is not possible. If we'd taken the same approach to lore with Star Trek, that you apply here,  we never would've gotten the Defiant, to say nothing of slipstream drive, replicators, holodecks, transwarp conduits, or the expansions of Klingon culture to name a few changes.

I agree it leaves room for expansion, but my main point was it doesn't have to be a huge leap like going to Andromeda. While the Dwarf Galaxies may be smaller than the Milky Way and Andromeda, they are still massive. The trip to them makes more logical sense, since going about 158,200 light years to the Large Magellanic Cloud is more feasible and achievable than going about 2,538,000 light years to Andromeda. During the Space Race, the first target was Luna not Mars. And we know a lot more about them than Andromeda so they would be able to use real stars/nebulae/etc like they did in the last games, which was one of the things I loved as an astronomy fan. 

 

As for expanding on lore, I've said if the trip takes place after the Reaper War, I'm perfectly fine with it because it's just expanding what is possible as time and technology progress. My issue comes with it being before or during the Reaper War since that's not expanding lore but replacing it.

[AresKeith]

Not sure what I need to explain. Seems like a lot of people like this new Andromeda idea. 

 

Ah ok, I misread your post at first lol

[Nohvarr]

I agree it leaves room for expansion, but my main point was it doesn't have to be a huge leap like Andromeda. While the Dwarf Galaxies may be smaller than the Milky Way, they are still massive. And we know a lot more about them than Andromeda so they would be able to use real stars/nebulae/etc like they did in the last games, which was one of the things I loved as an astronomy fan.

It's nice you enjoyed that aspect of the game but that's not a requirement going forward. Ultimately, if the leak is true, they chose the Andromeda galaxy for a reason, possibly due to it's size and distance, or for a reason they have yet to reveal.

 

My issue comes with it being before or during the Reaper War since that's not expanding lore but replacing it.

It's just showing an aspect of the universe you were not previously aware of is all.

[AlanC9]

I agree it leaves room for expansion, but my main point was it doesn't have to be a huge leap like going to Andromeda. While the Dwarf Galaxies may be smaller than the Milky Way and Andromeda, they are still massive. The trip to them makes more logical sense, since going about 158,200 light years to the Large Magellanic Cloud is more feasible and achievable than going about 2,538,000 light years to Andromeda.

Yeah, but the whole point of moving to Andromeda is the unfeasibility, right? We get there, but we're not going back, and nobody's coming after us.

[Iakus]

Exactly. By only exploring a single star cluster in an entire galaxy you leave plenty of room to grow in following games.

 

As for breaking lore, Thermal clips didn't exist in ME 1, neither did Biotic abilities like charge, or Thanix canons. Lore is meant to explain the universe not just limit what is and is not possible. If we'd taken the same approach to lore with Star Trek, that you apply here,  we never would've gotten the Defiant, to say nothing of slipstream drive, replicators, holodecks, transwarp conduits, or the expansions of Klingon culture to name a few changes.

Right, I mean look at the trilogy.  We only explore like a few dozen systems in the Milky Way which leaves plenty of room to grow and expand and

 

Wait,,

 

As for lore it'a supposed to explain what is and is not possible in this setting.  Sure changes get made over time, but it needs to be in explainable ways.

 

The thermal clip things for example was completely stupid.  The reasoning was lame (to the point where even Conrad Verner lampshades what a joke it is) and it apparantly proved so effective they went back in time at least ten years to retroactively replace normal heat sinks with thermal clips.

 

Sorry, I don'the buy Rule of Cool or Ooh, shiny! As valid reasons to frank with the lore even more than it'should already been frakked

[Iakus]

I don't see any echo chamber. Most people who are opposed to this idea get shot down. Or just lazy and don't care enough (like me). While Iakus is left standing by himself most of the time.

I think "shouted down" maybe more accurate.

 

 

But seriously, if Dream gaze and I are on the same page on a subject it'seems cause for concern.  I mean we don't agree on anything!

[Iakus]

HAHAHAHAHA.

 

It's been like 5 people arguing for 40 pages.

 

Don't kid yourself.

So does that make it 3-2 or 2-3?

[Nohvarr]

Right, I mean look at the trilogy.  We only explore like a few dozen systems in the Milky Way which leaves plenty of room to grow and expand and

 

Wait,,

The Milkway is old and familiar at this point, in fact half the reason people want to go back is to visit old places. That flies in the face of the stated fan request to go to new places. The Milky way has too many old comforts, too many places you could go for help to really feel alien and new. Andromeda forces you to learn to fly without the benefit of a net. Oh sure you have familiar races and tech to get you started and link you to the past, but there will be no Alliance or Citadel fleet charging over the hill to your rescue if you screw this up.

 

 

 

As for lore it'a supposed to explain what is and is not possible in this setting.  Sure changes get made over time, but it needs to be in explainable ways.

So until we see how it's explained there's no point in complaining about it.

 

 

 

if Dream gaze and I are on the same page on a subject it'seems cause for concern.  I mean we don't agree on anything!

Not really, just because you two happen to agree is not a sign that the fandom at large will hate this.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It's nice you enjoyed that aspect of the game but that's not a requirement going forward. Ultimately, if the leak is true, they chose the Andromeda galaxy for a reason, possibly due to it's size and distance, or for a reason they have yet to reveal.

 

 

 

It's just showing an aspect of the universe you were not previously aware of is all.

Oh, I know it's not required. It'll just be something that I'll miss. As for Andromeda, if we are going there it is simply because people know about Andromeda. Granted people know about the LMC and SMC too since they are clearly visible to the naked eye in the Southern Hemisphere, but more people know Andromeda. 

 

We'll have to agree to disagree on the lore thing. Previous games painted it as the cycle not cracking that technological leap yet, but suddenly they do in this one? If after ME3, perfectly fine. If before or during ME3, it is a retcon. 

 

 

Yeah, but the whole point of moving to Andromeda is the unfeasibility, right? We get there, but we're not going back, and nobody's coming after us.

Not really. Anywhere we can get the Reapers can get. Running away just buys us centuries or millennium until they do depending on their cycle route. 

[The Arbiter]

Working better than Kirkwall, does not equal "Next Phase in the Mass Effect series", and it still wouldn't fulfill the request to go somewhere new. The Citadel might have areas we haven't gone to in person, but it's still The Citadel a place we've visited in all the past games.

 

 

 

 

Pinecone is right. A small group of fans, as is found on this thread, arguing repeatedly about the current information is not proof of widespread disapproval.

I have a Google+ Mass Effect group... people are also discussing the future of ME4 there... also sharply divided. They however refuse to enter the Bioware forums I don't know why but if you ask me? The Mass Effect 4 plot should first take place on the surface of the sun and end on the surface of the sun and stay there

[ZoliCs]

No matter what they do, though, BSN will be sharply divided.

Canonize an ending? Sharply divided.

Move to Andromeda? Sharply divided.

Homogenize the endings? Make IT-light? Retcon the endings? Isolated story in the Milky Way with no connection to prior story (aka replace Andromeda with Milky Way)? Sharply divided. Bring Shep back? Divided. Dont? Divided. Prequel? Divided. Midiquel? Divided. Sidequel? Divided. Alternate universe reboot? Divided.

I'm not sure what that says- they either wrote such a good story and engrossing and immersive setting that everyone feels that their version of what they think Mass Effect should be is right...or they royally screwed up and irreversibly divided BSN with the endings, further dividing them with any sub par choice they are forced to make.

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[Nohvarr]

We'll have to agree to disagree on the lore thing. Previous games painted it as the cycle not cracking that technological leap yet, but suddenly they do in this one? If after ME3, perfectly fine. If before or during ME3, it is a retcon.

This is an unusual cycle, normally the Reapers are not delayed from entering the galaxy at the appointed time, and normally they do not lose so many ships in the ensuing conflict. This cycle could see a number of deviations from the norm.

 

Not really. Anywhere we can get the Reapers can get. Running away just buys us centuries or millennium until they do depending on their cycle route.

Only if they know people left. The Protheans hid their secret relay facility from the Reapers, their creators managed to hide from them as well. No reason to believe this Ark Project could fly under their radar.

[Son of Shepherd]

The Milkway is old and familiar at this point, in fact half the reason people want to go back is to visit old places. That flies in the face of the stated fan request to go to new places. The Milky way has too many old comforts, too many places you could go for help to really feel alien and new. Andromeda forces you to learn to fly without the benefit of a net. Oh sure you have familiar races and tech to get you started and link you to the past, but there will be no Alliance or Citadel fleet charging over the hill to your rescue if you screw this up.

 

 

 

 

I'll never agree that a galaxy can become old and familiar when it's this big. One hundred billion planets and we've basically been to a handful. You already have a great game world with any number of opportunities to tell something new. 

 

Still, I'm one of the fans that would love to go back and visit one or two old places. It's very rare for a game to be set in a place you already know,

with familiar gameplay and lore,personally I think that's a good thing. Change the setting, characters and almost everything else and you doing what every other franchise does.

 

That's a bit of a comedown from wanting to build a universe that's as rich as star wars. 

[Kabooooom]

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Not really. Like someone mentioned above, BSN probably represents some of the hardest core mass effect fans, but they are representative of a larger whole. Skewed or biased? Perhaps. But just as the ME3 endings were a massive, polarizing controversy that extended beyond BSN to a number of other gaming forums, reddit, and social media - so too will this probably be one, albeit to a lesser degree.

Saying that we are not fully representative of the fan base at large is one thing. Saying we aren't representative of them at all is quite another.

[Iakus]

The Milkway is old and familiar at this point, in fact half the reason people want to go back is to visit old places. That flies in the face of the stated fan request to go to new places. The Milky way has too many old comforts, too many places you could go for help to really feel alien and new. Andromeda forces you to learn to fly without the benefit of a net. Oh sure you have familiar races and tech to get you started and link you to the past, but there will be no Alliance or Citadel fleet charging over the hill to your rescue if you screw this up.

Parts of the galaxy are old and familiar.  Very small parts.  The Milky way has some old comforts, but it has even more new and strange places to visit.  Plenty of places to "operate without a net"  Lots of room to hide a threat the Council can't handle.  It's happened before, even without the Reapers.

 

If the next game is set in another galaxy, it won't be because Andromeda is new, or there was any plausible advance in technology.  It will be because the writers are running away from the endings, plain and simple.

 

 

 

So until we see how it's explained there's no point in complaining about it.

I've seen how Bioware "explains" inexplicable leaps of technology.  I'm not impressed.

[ZoliCs]

Saying that we are not fully representative of the fan base at large is one thing. Saying we aren't representative of them at all is quite another.

Well I didn't say that sooo...

[Iakus]

Oh, I know it's not required. It'll just be something that I'll miss. As for Andromeda, if we are going there it is simply because people know about Andromeda. Granted people know about the LMC and SMC too since they are clearly visible to the naked eye in the Southern Hemisphere, but more people know Andromeda. 

 

Even the satelite galaxy would take a couple of years to reach, even with Reaper drives.

[pdusen]

I've seen how Bioware "explains" inexplicable leaps of technology.  I'm not impressed.

 

You don't even know that it is a leap in technology that gets us there, so how about we dial back the hyperbole a little bit?

[Iakus]

You don't even know that it is a leap in technology that gets us there, so how about we dial back the hyperbole a little bit?

Unless we're talking a on-in-a-million coincidental wormhole (which will have it's own problems) then yeah it would take an inexplicable leap of technology.  Something beyond even the Reapers.  No hyperbole needed.