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[dreamgazer]

But seriously, if Dream gaze and I are on the same page on a subject it'seems cause for concern.  I mean we don't agree on anything!

We're often on the same page about many things regarding ME2, too.

Here's the thing: the idea of an Andromeda colonization simulator/RPG with BioWare's dialogue, decisions and TPS/spellcasting gameplay sounds like a lot of fun. It's the hand-shaking with the established ME lore and setting, especially if it's some form of pre-ending Noah's Space Ark, that gives me a tremendous amount of pause. I'd rather they canonize an established ending or shoot ahead into a unified future-state for the Milky Way in this new narrative than base the entire plot on running away to a different galaxy.

But, as I've stated before, at least it seems as if they're not doing a prequel or a point-blank reboot.

[x Raizer x]

lol.  The title reminded me of Conrad Vernor, yelling at passerbys in the Wards.

 

I, for one, would find the Andromeda theory interesting and appealing.  We can build up forces in Andromeda, safe from the chaos of the recent Reaper War in Milky Way, then, with our amassed forces, can go back through the special Mass Effect relay (the one I theorize we use to get to Andromeda to Milky Way, and vice-versa.  Arriving in Milky Way, we see everything is all messed up, and fight to restore order and eliminate evil that has taken advantage of the weakened state of the surviving races.

[Son of Shepherd]

 

If the next game is set in another galaxy, it won't be because Andromeda is new, or there was any plausible advance in technology.  It will be because the writers are running away from the endings, plain and simple.

 

It's exactly this, in a nutshell. Seems a few are trying to justify it by saying the milky way is spent....  . Cos you can't tell new stories with only billions of planets, and trillions of beings. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

This is an unusual cycle, normally the Reapers are not delayed from entering the galaxy at the appointed time, and normally they do not lose so many ships in the ensuing conflict. This cycle could see a number of deviations from the norm.

 

 

 

Only if they know people left. The Protheans hid their secret relay facility from the Reapers, their creators managed to hide from them as well. No reason to believe this Ark Project could fly under their radar.

I don't get what the first part of your post is trying to say. By the time the Reaper War starts, our scientists have no idea how Reaper cores work and do what they can do. If after the Reaper War, then the gates are open. 

 

I am one of those who think the 50,000 year nap is actually the Reapers going to the other galaxies and dwarf galaxies in the local galactic group. They can finish harvesting and traveling to all of them in that timeframe, especially if they have larger Mass Relays to go to each like they do with the Citadel here. So even if they escape the harvest of the Milky Way, they will eventually be discovered by the Reapers no matter which galaxy in the local group they run to. 

 

Even the satelite galaxy would take a couple of years to reach, even with Reaper drives.

Yep. The Canis Major Dwarf Galaxy is the closest and even with Reaper FTLs it would take 2.2831 years to get there. With our cycle's FTLs it would take 7.7078 years. To get to the Large Magellanic Cloud, the biggest Dwarf Galaxy which is around the size of the area of the Milky Way our galaxy explored, it would take the Reapers' FTLs 14.4475 years to reach and our cycle's FTLs 36.1187 years to reach. 

[Kabooooom]

I don't get what the first part of your post is trying to say. By the time the Reaper War starts, our scientists have no idea how Reaper cores work and do what they can do. If after the Reaper War, then the gates are open.

I am one of those who think the 50,000 year nap is actually the Reapers going to the other galaxies and dwarf galaxies in the local galactic group. They can finish harvesting and traveling to all of them in that timeframe, especially if they have larger Mass Relays to go to each like they do with the Citadel here. So even if they escape the harvest of the Milky Way, they will eventually be discovered by the Reapers no matter which galaxy in the local group they run to.

Yep. The Canis Major Dwarf Galaxy is the closest and even with Reaper FTLs it would take 2.2831 years to get there. With our cycle's FTLs it would take 7.7078 years. To get to the Large Magellanic Cloud, the biggest Dwarf Galaxy which is around the size of the area of the Milky Way our galaxy explored, it would take the Reapers' FTLs 14.4475 years to reach and our cycle's FTLs 36.1187 years to reach.

Actually, I like your idea of the Reapers not hibernating, but rather harvesting other galaxies during the 50,000 year interim. It would take awhile to do full calculations, but just basing off their travel time to Andromeda of 230 years, they could EASILY set up intergalactic relay networks by first physically travelling to every galaxy in the local group within a single cycle, or perhaps two. Once the relays are set up, at an average harvest time of 200 years per galaxy (the Protheans cycle), they could harvest a rough estimate of 250 milky way scale galaxies per 50,000 years.

[Torgette]

If they were in other galaxies, it's kind of sad they didn't come up with different solutions sooner. I can understand them hitting a wall if they were confined in the Milky Way... It's just one environment with it's own limitations. They only had so much to work with here.

 

But to be intergalactic and still rely on "Yo Dawg" logic after millions upon millions of years and multiple galaxies...

 

Maybe they were just really stupid, so stupid they didn't know they were stupid.

[Torgette]

I don't like them, but I want to give them more credit than that.

 

I think I mentioned this once.. I respect the Reapers on some level.

 

Nah i'm just joking. 

 

For all we know we were just one petri-dish to them of many.

[von uber]

Of course the Reapers being in multiple galaxies raises the problem of the crucible being the solution. It's only the solution if it affects every galaxy.

[xPez]

Of course the Reapers being in multiple galaxies raises the problem of the crucible being the solution. It's only the solution if it affects every galaxy.

 

How's that? If the Reapers did use intergalactic relay networks to purge other galaxies then the red/blue/green ray that the Crucible projects would still travel through those relays to the other galaxies. Also as it was the Milky Way's turn to burn all of the Reapers would be here.

 

There may be one or two in the other galaxies like Sovereign but one or two isolated Reapers aren't too much of a problem.  

[Vazgen]

Ooh, I like this Reapers have all the galaxies connected with one giant mass relay network and Crucible affects all of them! Glorious!

[xPez]

Ooh, I like this Reapers have all the galaxies connected with one giant mass relay network and Crucible affects all of them! Glorious!

 

It would mean that the writers would need to canonise an ending though.

 

I like the idea of the Reapers having intergalactic relays just on the edge of galaxies in dark space, but that all of the Reapers were in the Milky Way when the Crucible was activated.

 

That way we have intergalactic relay travel without the need to canonise an ending. Although, being able to travel back to the Milky Way would be a big plot hole. Perhaps it was a one way trip somehow?

[von uber]

It would mean that the writers would need to canonise an ending though.

 

That's my point

[dreamgazer]

Of all the hand-waves involved in this scenario, "all the Reapers were in the Milky Way during that galaxy's harvest" would be an easier one to swallow. The burden to "fix" the other galaxies would fall on the Crucible makers, I guess.

[Torgette]

Maybe they're like fish that always go back to the same galaxy to "breed" but afterwards scatter, hence they're not a threat to anybody else; also no galaxy-to-galaxy mass relay.

[Rannik]

Fans ASKED to go somewhere new.

 

[citation needed]

[GalacticWolf5]

[citation needed]

[Iakus]

"pick a planet, across the other side of the galaxy,"

[Malanek]

How's that? If the Reapers did use intergalactic relay networks to purge other galaxies then the red/blue/green ray that the Crucible projects would still travel through those relays to the other galaxies. Also as it was the Milky Way's turn to burn all of the Reapers would be here.

 

There may be one or two in the other galaxies like Sovereign but one or two isolated Reapers aren't too much of a problem.  

That solves the Reaper problem but doesn't solve the ending problem. The writers don't want to be faced with the possibility that Andromeda is synthesized. You also don't want God-Shep to pop over to Andromeda when the fleet drops out of a worm hole or the arkship arrives and say "come on back dawg, there ain't no problem any longer. Don't fuss about the Khet, I'll sic Harbinger on them". From what we can tell it is supposed to be a fresh start.

 

I would prefer to say that the Reapers were incapable of intergalactic travel. Put a lore limit on their traversal mechanism somehow. You need to keep things clean and manageable from a lore point of view.

[goishen]

The Earth took the brunt of the attack, we all know that right?

 

So, what if the Earth sent off the Ark ship...   Then, the lab that created it got blown to smithereens in the attack?  This would mean that we would have to rediscover our past technologies and one of those technologies could be propulsion technologies.  So therefore, we truly are on an Ark voyage.  With all the rebuilding the MW is doing right now, it doesn't seem to me that much of anybody is going to have time to doing much of anything except rebuild.

 

Like Cortez said of the M44 Hammerhead, "That place is prolly under a pile rubble by now."

 

Hmmmm.   The plot thickens.

[AlanC9]

[citation needed]

Well, it's not so much that people were asking for Andromeda as that Andromeda emerged as a lot of people's second or third choice, while a lot of the first choices were dealbreakers for other players.

[ElitePinecone]

That solves the Reaper problem but doesn't solve the ending problem. The writers don't want to be faced with the possibility that Andromeda is synthesized. You also don't want God-Shep to pop over to Andromeda when the fleet drops out of a worm hole or the arkship arrives and say "come on back dawg, there ain't no problem any longer. Don't fuss about the Khet, I'll sic Harbinger on them". From what we can tell it is supposed to be a fresh start.

 

I would prefer to say that the Reapers were incapable of intergalactic travel. Put a lore limit on their traversal mechanism somehow. You need to keep things clean and manageable from a lore point of view.

 

A lore limit would mean that an ark could only get to Andromeda by a mass relay (which, to our knowledge, doesn't exist) or a wormhole (which also feels a little contrived, if you ask me). There's actually nothing in the lore right now that would stop them crossing a distance of that size; between ME2 and ME3 they successfully went from the edge of the Milky Way to Earth.

 

I think a more plausible explanation, if the writers wanted to use one, was that the Reapers and the Catalyst were only interested in the Milky Way and confined their harvest only to our galaxy. Chalk it up to the Leviathans' original programming, or the Catalyst's faulty wiring, or the (maybe, wise) belief that staying in a galaxy whose evolution they can control completely is better than potentially finding new enemies in different galaxies.

 

After all - despite the discussion above, there's absolutely no evidence during the series that the Reapers travelled outside our galaxy. Everything we've been told is that they hibernate in dark space. Introducing the idea that they harvest multiple galaxies (or, worse, that the Crucible affected multiple galaxies) would only make the Reapers a huge plot point again, when I feel like a big reason for going to Andromeda is to get away from that plot point entirely.

 

(In fact, if I had to bet, the Reapers will barely be mentioned in NME at all.)