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[Sion1138]

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After all - despite the discussion above, there's absolutely no evidence during the series that the Reapers travelled outside our galaxy. Everything we've been told is that they hibernate in dark space. Introducing the idea that they harvest multiple galaxies (or, worse, that the Crucible affected multiple galaxies) would only make the Reapers a huge plot point again, when I feel like a big reason for going to Andromeda is to get away from that plot point entirely.

 

(In fact, if I had to bet, the Reapers will barely be mentioned in NME at all.)

 

There's still lots of stuff that can be done with them, I can think of ideas.

 

There's no need for them be a threat.

 

I mean, they hold a huge amount of invaluable scientific and cultural knowledge and a uniquely broad perspective.

 

If only they had not been reduced to mere tools by the Catalyst and that Leviathan crap.

[goishen]

I think a more plausible explanation, if the writers wanted to use one, was that the Reapers and the Catalyst were only interested in the Milky Way and confined their harvest only to our galaxy. Chalk it up to the Leviathans' original programming, or the Catalyst's faulty wiring, or the (maybe, wise) belief that staying in a galaxy whose evolution they can control completely is better than potentially finding new enemies in different galaxies.

 

 

Right, but you would still face the problem of Andromeda galaxies being far far ahead of us in technology.  So, I bet'cha that they're gonna say that each civilization reaches maybe 60K years before it starts to die out. 

 

That would solve both problems.

 

 

"pick a planet, across the other side of the galaxy,"

 

 

Note that it doesn't say which galaxy.

[ElitePinecone]

There's still lots of stuff that can be done with them, I can think of ideas.

 

They definitely could do more stuff with them story-wise (except that the Reapers are all dead in Destroy, but whatever). 

 

My point was more that I don't think Bioware are going to touch that plot point with a 40-foot barge pole, after what happened with ME3. They're going to want to avoid the controversial stuff as much as possible.

 

What that will probably mean is something totally new, and I don't think that's a bad idea at all. 

[ElitePinecone]

Right, but you would still face the problem of Andromeda galaxies being far far ahead of us in technology.  So, I bet'cha that they're gonna say that each civilization reaches maybe 60K years before it starts to die out. 

 

That would solve both problems.

 

Maybe....

 

A galaxy untouched by the Reapers would be an interesting chance to see how technology progresses when it's not constantly being shepherded down a single path, like what happened in the Milky Way. 

 

But if the leak is true, it sounds like the "khet" are fairly unsophisticated scavengers and only the Remnant (who, as the name suggests, disappeared?) are super technologically-advanced, at least in the part of Andromeda in which the game takes place.

 

For whatever reason, it looks like the colonists would be roughly on par with the khet, and both are fighting to claim the leftover secrets of an even more powerful species. At least, that's the impression I got from the leak. 

[dreamgazer]

A galaxy untouched by the Reapers would be an interesting chance to see how technology progresses when it's not constantly being shepherded down a single path, like what happened in the Milky Way.

I'll laugh my quad off if a galaxy with billions of years of unchecked technological advancement and evolution couldn't come up with a means to travel to another galaxy when our cluster of primitives found a way to do so.

[ElitePinecone]

I'll laugh my quad off if a galaxy with billions of years of unchecked technological advancement and evolution couldn't come up with a means to travel to another galaxy when our cluster of primitives found a way to do so.

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

[Torgette]

I'll laugh my quad off if a galaxy with billions of years of unchecked technological advancement and evolution couldn't come up with a means to travel to another galaxy when our cluster of primitives found a way to do so.

 

My guess is when we get to Andromeda there's lots of really impressive ruins instead of just ruins because they all bombed eachother back to the stone age.

[Iakus]

Right, but you would still face the problem of Andromeda galaxies being far far ahead of us in technology.  So, I bet'cha that they're gonna say that each civilization reaches maybe 60K years before it starts to die out. 

 

That would solve both problems.

 

How convenient.  

[MrFob]

How convenient.  

 

I bet the reapers would be really pissed if they found out that everyone dies after 60.000 years anyway. If they had just waited another 10.000 years longer each cycle, they could have saved themselves a whole lot of work, not to mention all the bad publicity. That's gotta be a d'oh! moment.

[Sion1138]

They definitely could do more stuff with them story-wise (except that the Reapers are all dead in Destroy, but whatever). 

 

My point was more that I don't think Bioware are going to touch that plot point with a 40-foot barge pole, after what happened with ME3. They're going to want to avoid the controversial stuff as much as possible.

 

What that will probably mean is something totally new, and I don't think that's a bad idea at all. 

 

Could be one or more Reapers decided they didn't want to go harvest.

 

And they went to Andromeda to guide the development of civilizations as more or less benevolent gods.

[Nitrocuban]

Ah yes, "Reapers".

[AresKeith]

I'll laugh my quad off if a galaxy with billions of years of unchecked technological advancement and evolution couldn't come up with a means to travel to another galaxy when our cluster of primitives found a way to do so.

 

The races from Andromedia should mock them for their primitive technology

[goishen]

I bet the reapers would be really pissed if they found out that everyone dies after 60.000 years anyway. If they had just waited another 10.000 years longer each cycle, they could have saved themselves a whole lot of work, not to mention all the bad publicity. That's gotta be a d'oh! moment.

 

 

Well, there's gotta be an explanation for that, too.   My guess is that the Catalyst knew this, and it's preservation programming kicked in.  Preserve life, at any cost.  Well, it kind'a did that.  Preserved life by killing all of them and subjugating them all into reapers.  Remember EDI from ME2?  Shepard, "I thought that the reapers were a super intelligent machine race?"  EDI, "Incorrect.  The reapers are a mix of organic and non-organic materials."

 

Or something to that effect. 

 

Also remember Harbinger?    "We are your genetic destiny."  "We are the Harbinger of your perfection/ascendance/destiny." 

 

Well, that's true.  Kind'a.

 

If my theory is correct, anyway.

 

EDIT :  So, I mean, I bet you that they'll just punt the endings to the end of time.   And they'll stay in Andromeda for at least the next three games.  I'd love to see it when they finally get back to the Citadel, though,  In 2054.   *staring at you BioWare*

 

EDIT x 2 :  Added some quotes for Harbinger.

[Iakus]

The races from Andromedia should mock them for their primitive technology

Protheans in Andromeda?

[dreamgazer]

Protheans in Andromeda?

Sure. Anything's possible in the dark spaces of uncovered narrative, after all.

In fact, their tyrannical rule could end up being MENext's antagonist.

[Vazgen]

That's what you get for making incomprehensibly powerful™ antagonists. 

[dreamgazer]

That's what you get for making incomprehensibly powerful™ antagonists.

That's what you get for giving 50,000 years of unaccounted time to cosmic mecha-Cthulhu with advanced technology and a desire to impose order over organic chaos.

[Kabooooom]

It'd be hilarious if things played out just a little differently in Andromeda - an ancient race creates machine life, and conflict inevitably results with them. But machine life prevails.

The machines have an inherent appreciation for preserving life, but rather than obliterate them in cycles, they aid them in VOLUNTARY ascension to a trans-biological state once a certain degree of technological advancement and societal maturity is obtained.

This allows younger species to rise up, populate the galaxy in their absence, and themselves ascend.

In a never ending cycle of knowledge, prosperity, and peace - rather than a cycle of destruction.

After all, they would have to account for the fact that Andromeda is NOT completely colonized and completely dominated by a single ultra advanced species by the time the ark arrives.

[Kabooooom]

How about we just finally get a story where races are interesting in their own right, and do things on their own?

That'd be nice.....

I want to kill all godlike beings and just have cool stories about individuals and political factions.

That'd be fine if it was a self contained story, but as soon as you start addressing galactic history for a galaxy as old as the milky way, you have to address the Fermi paradox. It's unavoidable, if they stay true to Mass Effect's lore on both the prevalence of intelligent species, frequency of their origin and timescale on which they appear.

They would pretty much have to have a self contained story in isolation in another galaxy to avoid those inevitable questions that would arise in the absence of any Reaper threat, which MAY be exactly what they are going for.

Personally, I much prefer grander stories than small-scale ones. They dont have to continually one-up the Reapers, but dealing with questions such as the inevitable fate and progression of organic life and organic civilizations were some of the most interesting and well thought out parts of mass effect, in my opinion, as they reflect a likely reality.

[Iakus]

That'd be fine if it was a self contained story, but as soon as you start addressing galactic history for a galaxy as old as the milky way, you have to address the Fermi paradox. It's unavoidable, if they stay true to Mass Effect's lore on both the prevalence of intelligent species, frequency of their origin and timescale on which they appear.

They would pretty much have to have a self contained story in isolation in another galaxy to avoid those inevitable questions that would arise in the absence of any Reaper threat, which MAY be exactly what they are going for.

Personally, I much prefer grander stories than small-scale ones. They dont have to continually one-up the Reapers, but dealing with questions such as the inevitable fate and progression of organic life and organic civilizations were some of the most interesting and well thought out parts of mass effect, in my opinion, as they reflect a likely reality.

And the problem with Andromeda is that going there means potentially encountering numerous races that are at least as advanced as the Reapers. And possibly more so, as the Reapers probably didn't advance much given they thought they had achieved "perfection"

 

OTOH, the distances between galaxies makes for a Great Filter...

[spinachdiaper]

Simple fix: Canonize Destroy so that thousands of years later it causes the Mass Effect relays to deteriorate and fail. What happens is the relays implode into black holes, so hanging around the milky way isn't going to end well. 

[ElitePinecone]

Canonize Destroy

 

lol no

[BabyPuncher]

lol no

 

if there was a good option here, this thread wouldn't be here in the first place.

 

Canonizing Destroy would be making the best of a very bad situation.

 

Although the part about waiting thousands of years and having the relays turn into black holes which consume the galaxy or something because reasons is pretty dumb.