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[BabyPuncher]

I really, really, really, really hope that this is not a game where super-duper 'technology' is going to be conveniently found in ruins lying on the floor waiting for our protagonist to walk and in pick up. Technology that is immediately and completely understood, integrated, and manufactured on a mass scale into our inevitable one-man empire as if were Legos that only have to be snapped together to magically work. Where the implications of finding this technology are completely and wholly ignored aside from "It makes your organization more powerful!" I really hope all this nonsense in the leak is just that - nonsense.

 

But after Skyhold and the 'power system' and everything else in Inquisition...

 

God dammit, BioWare.

[dlux]

Bioware wrote themselves into a corner with the complete mess that is Mass Effect 3. I guess the only way out is to simply leave the milky way behind in Mass Effect: Inquisition.

[themikefest]

lol no

Why?

[Reorte]

I'm not going back through the whole thread but some posts make it look like Andromeda is pretty much confirmed? Drat, another sign of a huge lack of imagination and inability to grasp the sheer size of the galaxy, as well as removing most of the setting that makes Mass Effect what it is beyond whoever happens to be on your ship. Might as well just create a new universe if you want to be free of the baggage.

[ElitePinecone]

Why?

 

Mike Gamble, two months ago:

 

"There is no canon ending to ME3. Player choice is something we take very seriously."

[themikefest]

Mike Gamble, two months ago:

 

"There is no canon ending to ME3. Player choice is something we take very seriously."

He may want to rephrase that.

 

Did you know that if Garrus isn't recruited in ME1, he and Kirrahe will recognize each other on Sur'Kesh.  How is that possible if they never met?  Can I say my choices don't matter? 

[ElitePinecone]

He may want to rephrase that.

 

Did you know that if Garrus isn't recruited in ME1, he and Kirrahe will recognize each other on Sur'Kesh.  How is that possible if they never met?  Can I say my choices don't matter? 

 

Hey, I'm just reporting what he said.

 

Don't expect them to canonise an ending to ME3 in the next game.

[themikefest]

Hey, I'm just reporting what he said.

Yes I know. Maybe he won't make that comment again
 

Don't expect them to canonise an ending to ME3 in the next game.

Why would I expect them to canonize an ending for the next game?

[Pasquale1234]

Did we learn nothing from the trilogy?

Advanced organic civilizations will inevitably create synthetics that will inevitably rebel against their creators and wipe them out. Then they drop their mobile platforms and retire to a community server to calculate pi for eternity. Another organic species rises, discovers the server, and unplugs it.

/sarcasm

Or... maybe some Leviathan escaped to Andromeda and are keeping other civilizations there in check.

Or... maybe the Remnants were keeping other civilizations in check.

[Kabooooom]

Did we learn nothing from the trilogy?

Advanced organic civilizations will inevitably create synthetics that will inevitably rebel against their creators and wipe them out. Then they drop their mobile platforms and retire to a community server to calculate pi for eternity. Another organic species rises, discovers the server, and unplugs it.

/sarcasm

Or... maybe some Leviathan escaped to Andromeda and are keeping other civilizations there in check.

Or... maybe the Remnants were keeping other civilizations in check.

That was the point I was making too. I agree. Something would have to keep other civilizations in check, because of the lore of mass effect. They could have made intelligent civilizations a rarity in the galaxy. They didn't. They made them SO common that a handful reach spacefaring level in every 50,000 year period, which means that dozens must overlap in time with each other if we are to assume that modern humanities' 200,000 year existence is an average length before a species becomes sufficiently advanced.

Given the sheer size and age of galaxies, a single species should have arisen to dominance long, long ago. Which means even in Andromeda, they would have to account for this NOT being the case, if they want to introduce a similar diverse society of species, as there should be hundreds of thousands by now if they aren't going extinct for some reason.

And this isn't just bullshit either. Modern cosmologists suspect exactly that, which is why the Fermi paradox raises a legit and compelling question and not just a curious thought with potentially no bearing on reality. It isn't like the Drake equation in that the only assumption it really makes is that a single species would arise to spacefaring capacity just once, out of hundreds of billions of stars in a galaxy over 10 billion years old. To me, that's hardly an assumption, and more like a certainty. The sheer scale and age make it so.

And this is also why SETI is now proposing the idea of actively searching for the telltale signatures of Dyson spheres, as a post-biological civilization seems like a logical outcome for an organic race.

So I liked Mass Effect's portrayal of these real life topics, and how they addressed these greater galactic scale questions about the nature of intelligent life in the cosmos. I just hope they continue this with ME4 and don't **** on their own lore whilst moving to another galaxy.

[Iakus]

Mike Gamble, two months ago:

 

"There is no canon ending to ME3. Player choice is something we take very seriously."

I can't help but laugh a little whenever I see that quote.

[Gwydden]

I'm not going back through the whole thread but some posts make it look like Andromeda is pretty much confirmed? Drat, another sign of a huge lack of imagination and inability to grasp the sheer size of the galaxy, as well as removing most of the setting that makes Mass Effect what it is beyond whoever happens to be on your ship. Might as well just create a new universe if you want to be free of the baggage.

People constantly seem to miss the point that the purpose of going to another galaxy wouldn't be because there isn't more to see in the Milky Way. It's simply an effective way to circumvent the ending of ME3.

[Iakus]

if there was a good option here, this thread wouldn't be here in the first place.

 

Canonizing Destroy would be making the best of a very bad situation.

 

Although the part about waiting thousands of years and having the relays turn into black holes which consume the galaxy or something because reasons is pretty dumb.

 

I agree that there is no good option, though I don't think canonizing any of ME3's choices would be a good idea.  Not without some serious retcons.   

 

Most of you are probably too young to remember this, but there was a point where the tv show Magnum PI was going to end and the character Thomas Magnum was killed off in the (at the time) series finale.  But it was retconned into a coma when they decided to do an eighth season.

 

Frankly I think it's best to simply ignore the endings altogether.  Don't canonize anything.  Even the fan-made ones like IT and MEHEM.  Start fresh and don't let the baggage from a really embarassing error in judgement hang around the next "season"

[Iakus]

I really, really, really, really hope that this is not a game where super-duper 'technology' is going to be conveniently found in ruins lying on the floor waiting for our protagonist to walk and in pick up. Technology that is immediately and completely understood, integrated, and manufactured on a mass scale into our inevitable one-man empire as if were Legos that only have to be snapped together to magically work. Where the implications of finding this technology are completely and wholly ignored aside from "It makes your organization more powerful!" I really hope all this nonsense in the leak is just that - nonsense.

 

But after Skyhold and the 'power system' and everything else in Inquisition...

 

God dammit, BioWare.

Or the Lazarus Project being the greatest discovery in the history of medical science yet going almost completely unremarked.

Crucible plans being found in a "small data cache" that has been studied for decades.

The Reaper IFF that gets snapped into place on the Normandy with no testing.

War Assets in general.

 

Yeah don't hold out much hope on that front.

[themikefest]

Most of you are probably too young to remember this, but there was a point where the tv show Magnum PI was going to end and the character Thomas Magnum was killed off in the (at the time) series finale.  But it was retconned into a coma when they decided to do an eighth season.

Good show. I like Higgins who was played by John Hillerman.

[Iakus]

People constantly seem to miss the point that the purpose of going to another galaxy wouldn't be because there isn't more to see in the Milky Way. It's simply an effective way to circumvent the ending of ME3.

It would be more "effective" if there was a way to get there without mutilating the lore even more than it already has been.

 

Of course, if there were, then the endings would have spread there too.  

[Vazgen]

Iakus, I think that as bad as ME endings are for some people, starting fresh is worse. I don't know if you have played the new Thief game but it is exactly what you're talking about, starting fresh without addressing the decisions and ending of the previous games. It is also quite close to Mass Effect with the ending of the third installment drastically altering the world state. And while I think that this new Thief game is quite a good game, it is not a Thief game and does not feel as such. I'd hate to see that happen to Mass Effect.

[Gwydden]

It would be more "effective" if there was a way to get there without mutilating the lore even more than it already has been.

 

Of course, if there were, then the endings would have spread there too.  

What you call 'mutilating the lore' I call 'same old'.

 

The lore's been butchered already. Putting in back into a semblance of integrity will be messy no matter how it is done.

[Torgette]

All this talk of Andromeda reminds me of Galaxy Express 999 when they goto Andromeda and it's dominated by a super advanced synthetic race based at the center of the galaxy. IIRC they pull the plug and everything goes to hell or something like that?

[Iakus]

What you call 'mutilating the lore' I call 'same old'.

 

The lore's been butchered already. Putting in back into a semblance of integrity will be messy no matter how it is done.

Thus why I said "mutilating the lore  even more than it already has been"

 

That it's been done before is no excuse to keep doing it.  

[Dr. Rush]

Mutilated lore is just part of the game industry and the nature of stretching lore out across an unfinished 3 game series. This is why I am so convinced that the best thing Bioware can do is just release ME4 as a standalone game, no more trilogies. They need to focus on making 1 fully good game, without the promise or illusion of importing the payoff into the next sequel. 

 

They will definitely have to fudge some of the lore to get us to out of the milky way, but it can be done. What matters is if they improve the ME series once they get there, or if they keep repeating the mistakes of the last trilogy.

[Reorte]

Iakus, I think that as bad as ME endings are for some people, starting fresh is worse. I don't know if you have played the new Thief game but it is exactly what you're talking about, starting fresh without addressing the decisions and ending of the previous games. It is also quite close to Mass Effect with the ending of the third installment drastically altering the world state. And while I think that this new Thief game is quite a good game, it is not a Thief game and does not feel as such. I'd hate to see that happen to Mass Effect.

My fear is that moving to another galaxy will do just that.

[marcelo caldas]

#BrayDeservesBetterDetails

Wheres's Anto?

[von uber]

Mike Gamble, two months ago:

 

"There is no canon ending to ME3. Player choice is something we take very seriously."