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[Vazgen]

My fear is that moving to another galaxy will do just that.

One of the biggest things about the new Thief that made it not feel like a Thief game was the loss of factions of the older games. There were different themes, different forces at work. I think ME can circumvent it in Andromeda and still have the old factions, rivalries and alliances while establishing new ones as well. My point is, they can write a Mass Effect game in Andromeda. It's not easy but they have the basis and they have the talent to pull it off, if they want it.

[Iakus]

One of the biggest things about the new Thief that made it not feel like a Thief game was the loss of factions of the older games. There were different themes, different forces at work. I think ME can circumvent it in Andromeda and still have the old factions, rivalries and alliances while establishing new ones as well. My point is, they can write a Mass Effect game in Andromeda. It's not easy but they have the basis and they have the talent to pull it off, if they want it.

Except Andromeda wouldn't have the CItadel Council, the Systems Alliance, The Terminus, the various mercenary groups, the STG, Turian Hierarchy, Spectres, Cerberus, Shadow Broker, etc.  That would all be gone.  WHat would be left would be something totally different.

[Vazgen]

Except Andromeda wouldn't have the CItadel Council, the Systems Alliance, The Terminus, the various mercenary groups, the STG, Turian Hierarchy, Spectres, Cerberus, Shadow Broker, etc.  That would all be gone.  WHat would be left would be something totally different.

Why not? Turian Hierarchy, Salarian Union, Asari Republics, Systems Alliance - they'll all still be there, they'll travel the distance to Andromeda along with those races. And if they are there, STG will also be. Systems Alliance is actually semi-confirmed - protagonist will have something to do with N7 which is Systems Alliance military designation. I can totally see those races establishing a centralized government - Citadel Council (minus the Citadel) which'll mean that Spectres will be back as well. Cerberus and Shadow Broker will probably be amiss but they were not a huge part of the universe IMO. Mercenary groups? Again, depends on how it's written. Some members of those groups might very well make the journey and reestablish those groups in Andromeda.

[prosthetic soul]

Why not? Turian Hierarchy, Salarian Union, Asari Republics, Systems Alliance - they'll all still be there, they'll travel the distance to Andromeda along with those races. And if they are there, STG will also be. Systems Alliance is actually semi-confirmed - protagonist will have something to do with N7 which is Systems Alliance military designation. I can totally see those races establishing a centralized government - Citadel Council (minus the Citadel) which'll mean that Spectres will be back as well. Cerberus and Shadow Broker will probably be amiss but they were not a huge part of the universe IMO. Mercenary groups? Again, depends on how it's written. Some members of those groups might very well make the journey and reestablish those groups in Andromeda.

That sounds like such an asspull.  That's all there is to it. 

[Vazgen]

That sounds like such an asspull.  That's all there is to it. 

What doesn't? I don't see any option to continue the series that doesn't sound like that.

[Gwydden]

Except Andromeda wouldn't have the CItadel Council, the Systems Alliance, The Terminus, the various mercenary groups, the STG, Turian Hierarchy, Spectres, Cerberus, Shadow Broker, etc.  That would all be gone.  WHat would be left would be something totally different.

So?

 

Times change. Even if they went with a retcon or a canon ending, I'd be extremely disappointed if the galaxy didn't change drastically after the Reaper War.

[von uber]

So?

Times change. Even if they went with a retcon or a canon ending, I'd be extremely disappointed if the galaxy didn't change drastically after the Reaper War.

What, like if everyone has synthesis? But no Canon ending...

[Iakus]

Why not? Turian Hierarchy, Salarian Union, Asari Republics, Systems Alliance - they'll all still be there, they'll travel the distance to Andromeda along with those races. And if they are there, STG will also be. Systems Alliance is actually semi-confirmed - protagonist will have something to do with N7 which is Systems Alliance military designation. I can totally see those races establishing a centralized government - Citadel Council (minus the Citadel) which'll mean that Spectres will be back as well. Cerberus and Shadow Broker will probably be amiss but they were not a huge part of the universe IMO. Mercenary groups? Again, depends on how it's written. Some members of those groups might very well make the journey and reestablish those groups in Andromeda.

Because we won't have those things.  They'll be back in the Milky Way.  There won't be a Turian Hierarchy, because Palaven, the Primarch, etc will be left behind.  There won't be a CItadel Council because, as noted, there is no Citadel.  Plus the Councilors will be back in the Milky Way anyway.  Same with the Systems Alliance.  You could make the argument that there would be some kind of "government in exile" going.  But it's not the same thing.

[Vazgen]

Because we won't have those things.  They'll be back in the Milky Way.  There won't be a Turian Hierarchy, because Palaven, the Primarch, etc will be left behind.  There won't be a CItadel Council because, as noted, there is no Citadel.  Plus the Councilors will be back in the Milky Way anyway.  Same with the Systems Alliance.  You could make the argument that there would be some kind of "government in exile" going.  But it's not the same thing.

What makes Turian Hierarchy in ME1 different from the Turian Hierarchy in Andromeda? In both cases Palaven only exists in the codex. Society and culture will stay the same. 

How is "simply Council" different from the Citadel Council? They even temporarily left the station in ME1. 

 

Are you sure that the Councilors will be in Milky Way? We don't hear from them after Thessia, exactly after the "plans are set in motion". Destiny Ascension participates in the final battle, meaning that the Council most likely was not on the Citadel/evacuated when it fell into the Reaper hands/tentacles. 

[Iakus]

What makes Turian Hierarchy in ME1 different from the Turian Hierarchy in Andromeda? In both cases Palaven only exists in the codex. Society and culture will stay the same. 

How is "simply Council" different from the Citadel Council? They even temporarily left the station in ME1. 

 

Are you sure that the Councilors will be in Milky Way? We don't hear from them after Thessia, exactly after the "plans are set in motion". Destiny Ascension participates in the final battle, meaning that the Council most likely was not on the Citadel/evacuated when it fell into the Reaper hands/tentacles. 

But you see, society and culture will be different.  As different as the quarians were on Rannoch as they were on the Migrant Fleet.  More so, this would be an association of races that have been driven from their homes rather than a single people.  Priorities will be different.  Culture will be different.  

 

Have you ever seen the tv show Defiance?  Kind of like that.  It's not another galaxy, but there's humans and half dozen alien races on a radically altered Earth.  Everyone has had to change and adapt to the new normal.   

[AresKeith]

That sounds like such an asspull.  That's all there is to it. 

 

Because obviously a colony wouldn't reestablish their own things 

[Reorte]

So?

 

Times change. Even if they went with a retcon or a canon ending, I'd be extremely disappointed if the galaxy didn't change drastically after the Reaper War.

From a logical "this should be the sort of thing that happens" point of view, but if your story needs to become so different it's not that recognisable from what it was before we're back to the question of why not just start again with a new universe without the baggage?

[Vazgen]

 

But you see, society and culture will be different.  As different as the quarians were on Rannoch as they were on the Migrant Fleet.  More so, this would be an association of races that have been driven from their homes rather than a single people.  Priorities will be different.  Culture will be different.  

 

Have you ever seen the tv show Defiance?  Kind of like that.  It's not another galaxy, but there's humans and half dozen alien races on a radically altered Earth.  Everyone has had to change and adapt to the new normal.   

Haven't seen it. I don't watch TV shows in general

Some changes will take place, sure, as they would in any setting, even in Milky Way. The game world needs to evolve, factions need to face and overcome new challenges to stay relevant. But the core will remain the same. Turians will still have militaristic society with lower emphasis on individuals and more on the community as a whole. That core of the society combined with new challenges of a new setting will create new problems for the race to solve. And solutions to those problems do not necessarily have to include changes to that core. 

Also, we don't really know whether the ark theory is true. A move to another galaxy does not necessarily require ark ships. For all we know, the Crucible wave could've created a bunch of wormholes and part of the allied galactic fleet was sucked into it. Convenient? Sure. Ass pull? Pretty much. But it is as much a possibility now as the Ark theory and staying in Milky Way. There is no official info on the setting and timeline of ME:Next. All I'm saying is that it is possible to write a Mass Effect game in Andromeda so it still feels like a Mass Effect game.

[themikefest]

Are you sure that the Councilors will be in Milky Way? We don't hear from them after Thessia, exactly after the "plans are set in motion". Destiny Ascension participates in the final battle, meaning that the Council most likely was not on the Citadel/evacuated when it fell into the Reaper hands/tentacles. 

Which council members would there be? The ME1 council can be dead. The salarian councilor could be dead. Would Bioware want to use both sets of VA's for the council or just avoid not having them at all?

[Vazgen]

Which council members would there be? The ME1 council can be dead. The salarian councilor could be dead. Would Bioware want to use both sets of VA's for the council or just avoid not having them at all?

A save import can work. IMO the announcement of the Orbit was a hint. They can have a totally new Council as well. Point is, the Council as a form of government does not depend on the setting.

[themikefest]

A save import can work. IMO the announcement of the Orbit was a hint. They can have a totally new Council as well. Point is, the Council as a form of government does not depend on the setting.

I don't want to see the councilors again. If we're going to another galaxy. let the characters on the ark/ship form their own whatever with who they have and go from there. 

[saladinbob]

To me, if this is true then I'll be bitterly disappointed. Dragon Age, Bioware's other big franchise, has suffered from a lack of a strong, central protagonist, choosing instead to change the hero in each of the three games. What made Mass Effect great was Shepard, allowing Bioware to not only develop the story but also the character over time. By setting the game in another Galaxy, Bioware are acknowledging the train wreck of an ending they created for ME3 whilst also choosing not to deal with it and are taking the cheap and easy route of sweeping it under the carpet and pretending it never existed.

 

I would have liked to see the next game start straight after the events of ME3. I wanted to see a galaxy struggling to rebuild. I wanted to see a Council struggling for legitimacy after its denial of the Reaper threat and refusal to prepare. I would have liked to see an arms race developing between criminal gangs (Blue Suns, Eclipse etc.) and governments over Reaper technology. You could still have set the game in new space, albeit within the Milky Way, still have included all the stuff laid out in the rumour (which I remain exceedingly sceptical over it making the final cut given they're the same promises of ME3 and Inquisition, both of which failed to deliver) without sidestepping the issue of a post-Reaper invasion Galaxy.

[Rhidor]

Okay, so what I've gathered from the first entries here the new Mass Effect is apparently going to not take place in the same galaxy/world we used to know. A clever way to never show us old places/characters ever again.

 

Has anyone thought about the very end of ME3? Where the old man says "Okay, one more story"? Might this explain why the new story will be totally different?

[Sion1138]

Okay, so what I've gathered from the first entries here the new Mass Effect is apparently going to not take place in the same galaxy/world we used to know. A clever way to never show us old places/characters ever again.

 

Has anyone thought about the very end of ME3? Where the old man says "Okay, one more story"? Might this explain why the new story will be totally different?

 

I don't know what you mean but the kid asked for "another story about the Shepard (or the shepherd)". 

 

So, unless they delve into metaphysics with regard to the identity of the new protagonist, the old man's promise of "one more story" has nothing to do with the new Mass Effect.

 

It would be great if they did that though.

[goishen]

I don't want to see the councilors again. If we're going to another galaxy. let the characters on the ark/ship form their own whatever with who they have and go from there. 

 

 

Right, but we have to have some sort of government. 

 

The thing about the quarian form of government, at least on board the ships, was that it showed that the military could not rule over its people.  This is why the long winded explanations of what her government theoretically was supposed to do, but in actuality was much different. 

 

The same could be said true of the Ark.  This is assuming that we do not have Cryo-sleep as an option.  The military can rule, but only for a short period of time.  Then it will shift back to what they are familiar with. 

 

Now, assuming that we do have Cryo-sleep and are talking about colonies in Andromeda?  That paints a whole 'nother picture.  Colonies in Andromeda would have no place even for a central government unless they designate a planet to be their central government.  Or, they designate the Tempest to be the new Citadel.  However, since they don't know which colonies will "take off" in terms of economic, military, and political power....   That would be kind'a pointless. 

 

As a matter of fact, I'll bet that's what they do.   Decide that the Tempest is now the de facto Citadel and make all decisions from there.  This would give them a home base starting point...   And a place where all decisions can be made.

 

We might have a different form of government, just like the quarians did.   But I really don't think so.  I think it will be just more of the same.   A council to represent all races.   Not just the three (or four) major races. 
 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

But you see, society and culture will be different.  As different as the quarians were on Rannoch as they were on the Migrant Fleet.  More so, this would be an association of races that have been driven from their homes rather than a single people.  Priorities will be different.  Culture will be different.  

 

Have you ever seen the tv show Defiance?  Kind of like that.  It's not another galaxy, but there's humans and half dozen alien races on a radically altered Earth.  Everyone has had to change and adapt to the new normal.   

I picture this new multi-race group being a lot like the world established in Defiance as well.

[The Arbiter]

To me, if this is true then I'll be bitterly disappointed. Dragon Age, Bioware's other big franchise, has suffered from a lack of a strong, central protagonist, choosing instead to change the hero in each of the three games. What made Mass Effect great was Shepard, allowing Bioware to not only develop the story but also the character over time. By setting the game in another Galaxy, Bioware are acknowledging the train wreck of an ending they created for ME3 whilst also choosing not to deal with it and are taking the cheap and easy route of sweeping it under the carpet and pretending it never existed.

 

I would have liked to see the next game start straight after the events of ME3. I wanted to see a galaxy struggling to rebuild. I wanted to see a Council struggling for legitimacy after its denial of the Reaper threat and refusal to prepare. I would have liked to see an arms race developing between criminal gangs (Blue Suns, Eclipse etc.) and governments over Reaper technology. You could still have set the game in new space, albeit within the Milky Way, still have included all the stuff laid out in the rumour (which I remain exceedingly sceptical over it making the final cut given they're the same promises of ME3 and Inquisition, both of which failed to deliver) without sidestepping the issue of a post-Reaper invasion Galaxy.

BIOWARE:

 

[Shaftell]

I don't get it. Why would there be Krogan in Andromeda? The leak says we'll have a Krogan squad mate. That doesn't make sense at all. This is a whole new existence outside the milky way.

[GalacticWolf5]

I don't get it. Why would there be Krogan in Andromeda? The leak says we'll have a Krogan squad mate. That doesn't make sense at all. This is a whole new existence outside the milky way.

Why arent you asking why there are also Humans? And Turians and Salarians since we've also seen them in a teaser?

If the Ark Theory is right (which it probably is if the leak is true, which is also probably true), we build Ark ships in the Milky Way (One main hub and smaller ships) and go to Andromeda.

[Reorte]

 

If the Ark Theory is right (which it probably is if the leak is true, which is also probably true), we build Ark ships in the Milky Way (One main hub and smaller ships) and go to Andromeda.

Have they made any suggestion as to why anyone would build those ships? If it happens before the existing trilogy when there's still an awful lot of the MIlky Way left to explore, then it makes little sense. If they do it after, when the galaxy is stretched to the limit just trying to surivive the aftermath, let alone rebuild, then it makes little sense. I could buy some probe ships being sent there, not a whole ark.