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[Sion1138]

But it doesn't represent the spirit of Mass Effect. If you want a Wasteland game there's Fallout and Wasteland 2 and even the diesel punk game Insomnia.

 

You brought a new term into it now.

 

What is the spirit of Mass Effect?

[goishen]

That can be defined in as many ways as "What is ME to you?"  or "What does N7 mean to you?"

[Drone223]

And right here is where you prove my previous statment right about people wanting to force bioware to deal with the endings. The simple truth is they never have to deal with them again. The original plan for the series was to end at 3, with no sequel, spinoffs or anything else. Mass Effect 3 would end the series and they'd move onto something else, a decision I respected. However, they've decided to give you another game set in the same universe just in a distant galaxy, and going by what they've posted so far, you will only be exploring a portion of it throughout this game. They could ride the Andromeda Galaxy as far as story telling for YEARS and never even say a word about the endings of the original trilogy.

 

So rather than learn from their mistakes and try and improve what they already have they should just run away from their problems, have said problems catch up to them and expect people to be okay with it? Because that would be something people don't want to see from Bioware (or any other dev team for that matter) do with their franchises.

[dreamgazer]

What is the spirit of Mass Effect?

Oh, no. Here it comes. THAT discussion.

[MrFob]

What is the spirit of Mass Effect?

 

Ryncol!

 

 

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Nohvarr]

Except they didn't miss the Crucible. They believed it to be eradicated.

Seriously, they didn't think about traveling to another galaxy and observing the chaos of organic evolution over countless 50k rest periods?

Considering they spent the majority of the time between cycle powered down, I'm not sure why this surprises you

 

 

 

So rather than learn from their mistakes and try and improve what they already have they should just run away from their problems, have said problems catch up to them and expect people to be okay with it? Because that would be something people don't want to see from Bioware (or any other dev team for that matter) do with their franchises.

 

What's there to deal with, the original trilogy is over, the epilogue written and that story is closed as was intended. Any lessons learned can be applied to a new trilogy/series in this new setting. It's not running away, so much as honoring the original intent of the designers and the choices of the players, while giving them some thing new to do.

 

 

 

What is the spirit of Mass Effect?

 

I will clarify, what was the intent, the theme of the game at the outset, what informed the decisions of devs. In their own words:

 

 

 

The over-arching theme of organics versus machines shaped all the story choices.

 

 

Once they had arrived at the notion of telling a story about organics versus machines, that became the "key theme," says Hudson. And that theme, in turn, "answered whether storylines were part of the main arc or smaller things. Stories about the Geth and the Quarian, the cautionary tale of creating artificial intelligence." Thus, the story of EDI in Mass Effect 2 becomes more important, because she goes from being a shackled to an "unshackled" A.I.

 

 

 

The nice thing about a trilogy is that it's more than one, so you know you've got a few games to look forward to, and there's something big that's going to happen. But, it's also finite. You know that there's an ending, and you know when the ending is coming. You can look forward to it, and you can get excited, and when the ending comes, you can be satisfied with a conclusion to things.

 

 

I think that about sums it up. Anyways, I have other things to do so if I don't get back to your replies that's fine, like Bioware and the endings to ME 3, I am under no obligation to return to this revolving argument.

[dreamgazer]

Considering they spent the majority of the time between cycle powered down

[citation needed]

[ZoliCs]

If the Reapers have the means to travel to Andromeda, then it makes them and their 50k years between cycles look incredibly myopic.

 

There is no if.

[AlanC9]

Hey..... would it have to be Andromeda in particular? Or would any other galaxy fit the rumor?

[ZoliCs]

[citation needed]

 

Seriously?

[Drone223]

 

What's there to deal with, the original trilogy is over, the epilogue written and that story is closed as was intended. Any lessons learned can be applied to a new trilogy/series in this new setting.

The epilogue for the trilogy isn't the end all be all state of the galaxy, it only shows the immediate future of the galaxy and a lot of things can happen while the galaxy is rebuilding.

 

It's not running away, so much as honoring the original intent of the designers and the choices of the players, while giving them some thing new to do.

 

It is running away because the issue's regarding the ending will still be there and is going to catch up to them eventually.

[Iakus]

Hey..... would it have to be Andromeda in particular? Or would any other galaxy fit the rumor?

 

The "leak" specifies Andromeda.

 

But even one of the closer dwarf galaxies  like the Magellanic Clouds would take a prohibitively long period of time to reach, albiet years rather than centuries.

[Iakus]

 

But they don't have to be told in the same place, moving away to another galaxy is a viable option and respects the decisions of previous players while also maintaining the idea that the ME trilogy had a definite end. Also, I find it fascinating that people are now okay with Bioware changing their mind about this considering how they blew up about Leliana still being alive, Udina being councilor and other much more minor changes.

 

 

Again, it comes down to technology.  The ability to move that far simply doesn't exist.  You are not respecting Mass Effect by simply waving a magic wand and saying "Okay this is possible now.  Because reason"

 

It's nonsense like that which got us ME3's endings to begin with.

[TruthSerum]

There is a semi dormant mass relay in Andromeda. Problem solved. 

 

...and no that does not necessarily mean that the Reapers have to be there. There are hundreds and thousands of artifacts here on Earth alone that are from long dead civilizations. I'ts perfectly logical. 

[Drone223]

There is a semi dormant mass relay in Andromeda. Problem solved.

There is one huge problem with that.....its way too convenient just like how the plans for the crucible were found on mars.

[Malanek]

A lore limit would mean that an ark could only get to Andromeda by a mass relay (which, to our knowledge, doesn't exist) or a wormhole (which also feels a little contrived, if you ask me). There's actually nothing in the lore right now that would stop them crossing a distance of that size; between ME2 and ME3 they successfully went from the edge of the Milky Way to Earth.

 

I think a more plausible explanation, if the writers wanted to use one, was that the Reapers and the Catalyst were only interested in the Milky Way and confined their harvest only to our galaxy. Chalk it up to the Leviathans' original programming, or the Catalyst's faulty wiring, or the (maybe, wise) belief that staying in a galaxy whose evolution they can control completely is better than potentially finding new enemies in different galaxies.

 

After all - despite the discussion above, there's absolutely no evidence during the series that the Reapers travelled outside our galaxy. Everything we've been told is that they hibernate in dark space. Introducing the idea that they harvest multiple galaxies (or, worse, that the Crucible affected multiple galaxies) would only make the Reapers a huge plot point again, when I feel like a big reason for going to Andromeda is to get away from that plot point entirely.

 

(In fact, if I had to bet, the Reapers will barely be mentioned in NME at all.)

I do agree that there should be no crucible effects or reapers present in Andromeda, I mentioned that clearly.

 

But I don't feel it is a robust argument to simply say the Reapers aren't interested in another galaxy. Or why something that is equally or more technically advanced in the next galaxy never came here. If you want to completely separate the stories that are told in the Milky way and Andromeda, you need to separate them properly. You want a barrier. You want something that will stop quantum entanglement. You want something that will stop the council species sending a more advanced probe out 20 years later (that will arrive earlier).

 

Introducing intergalactic travel technology to the world will be a mistake by the writers, the way it is being discussed here as a 200 year voyage, because there will be no reason for anyone not to use it again.

 

It's one of the reasons why I favor a wormhole so strongly. Make it an accident. Something that can't be controlled.

[dreamgazer]

Seriously?

Seriously.

[dreamgazer]

There is one huge problem with that.....its way too convenient just like how the plans for the crucible were found on mars.

I could get over the convenience of a hidden relay tucked away somewhere. They'd have to do some wacky writing to get around why it was never used, though, and why it wouldn't be further used.

[Malanek]

Didn't the reapers/leviathans build the relays? Regardless it would still mean that someone(thing) built the pair and traveled between Andromeda and the Milky way. And saying that the Reapers didn't discover it and investigate it in the billion odd years they have been reaping the milky way also sounds a bit odd.

[Iakus]

There is a semi dormant mass relay in Andromeda. Problem solved. 

 

...and no that does not necessarily mean that the Reapers have to be there. There are hundreds and thousands of artifacts here on Earth alone that are from long dead civilizations. I'ts perfectly logical. 

What does semi dormant even mean?

 

ANd if there's a relay there, then the Reapers have been there, they built the relays.

[dreamgazer]

Didn't the reapers/leviathans build the relays? Regardless it would still mean that someone(thing) built the pair and traveled between Andromeda and the Milky way. And saying that the Reapers didn't discover it and investigate it in the billion odd years they have been reaping the milky way also sounds a bit odd.

I dunno, they could be pretty lax with a system that has zero potential for organic evolution.

[Malanek]

I dunno, they could be pretty lax with a system that has zero potential for organic evolution.

Each harvest the acquire the galactic knowledge of the civilisations they reap. So there was plenty of organic evolution and exploration thrown in there.

[rapscallioness]

I do agree that there should be no crucible effects or reapers present in Andromeda, I mentioned that clearly.

 

But I don't feel it is a robust argument to simply say the Reapers aren't interested in another galaxy. Or why something that is equally or more technically advanced in the next galaxy never came here. If you want to completely separate the stories that are told in the Milky way and Andromeda, you need to separate them properly. You want a barrier. You want something that will stop quantum entanglement. You want something that will stop the council species sending a more advanced probe out 20 years later (that will arrive earlier).

 

Introducing intergalactic travel technology to the world will be a mistake by the writers, the way it is being discussed here as a 200 year voyage, because there will be no reason for anyone not to use it again.

 

It's one of the reasons why I favor a wormhole so strongly. Make it an accident. Something that can't be controlled.

 

 

I like the accidental wormhole idea meself.

[rapscallioness]

I figure the reapers never went to another galaxy because they simply weren't programmed for that. The catalyst, Leviathan, all they were concerned with was the milky way galaxy. and even then only certain spacefaring species. That was their concern. Not what was happening in Andromede because Leviathan was only concerned with their tribute. Their territories. They had no territories in Andromeda. There was no tribute to get from there. So they would not expend the resources including that into the programming.

 

Mind you, catalyst had its own ideas about things, but yet it's still a slave to its programming.

[ElitePinecone]

Hey..... would it have to be Andromeda in particular? Or would any other galaxy fit the rumor?

Andromeda is mentioned by name as the setting of the new game in the leak.

Specifically, the "Helius Cluster", which is one small star cluster of the whole galaxy.