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SAVE THE MILKYWAY! Mass Effect 4 to DELETE MILKYWAY BECAUSE ANDROMEDA?


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So when the Codex supports your side, it is absolute fact. But when it doesn't, it is only "what the galaxy knows". Interesting.


It depends on what the codex content addresses, and whether there's any observable in-universe evidence or limitations.

When it comes to the tens of thousands of years between Reaper cycles, this is literally all we've got of what they actually do.

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It depends on what the codex content addresses, and whether there's any observable in-universe evidence or limitations.

When it comes to the tens of thousands of years between Reaper cycles, this is literally all we've got of what they actually do.

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I was actually addressing Nohvarr and ZoliCs with that, since if we're going by what the Codex and wiki says then intergalactic travel is not currently possible, especially if the Reapers haven't even done it since that rules out reverse-engineering that technology from them. 



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But I wanted to post the purty picture ...

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But I wanted to post the purty picture ...

:(

I enjoy the galaxies picture. :)



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How is it a change to the Reapers' lore if there's zero evidence that it's actually part of the lore?

 

I feel like you are incapable to make sense. It is stated numerous times that the Reapers are hibernated in Dark Space. And somehow, without evidance, you come up with "what if they don't?" and expect it to be a viable argument against the Ark theory.

Actually you even expect Bioware to make the Reapers do something that would harm ME:N's story.

This is so illogical I can't even be bothered to go on with this.

 

 

If you (and the others) want to constantly cry about the Ark theory, conveniences, contrivances, ass pulls, retcons, lore breakings, abandoning the Milky Way, and want to tie the hands of the writers with your arbitrary and petty demands, then be my guest.

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So when the Codex supports your side, it is absolute fact. But when it doesn't, it is only "what the galaxy knows". Interesting. 

I was actually addressing Nohvarr and ZoliCs with that.

 

I never used that argument so take your ridiculous one liners somewhere else.



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I never used that argument so take your ridiculous one liners somewhere else.

You've made/agreed with the argument that the ark would have just been kept secret thus that's why it isn't in the lore or Codex yet, but when it comes to something you disagree with, in this case the Reapers having the capabilities of intergalactic travel, suddenly that lore is rigid and they don't, despite the only person who says that being Vigil who admits it is just a hypothesis on his part. You can't have it both ways. Either the Codex is just "what the galaxy knows" and open to being wrong about everything, or the Codex is the rigid laws of the series and can't be changed. So which will it be? 

 

Also, no need to be aggressive. 



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I feel like you are incapable to make sense. It is stated numerous times that the Reapers are hibernated in Dark Space. And somehow, without evidance, you come up with "what if they don't?" and expect it to be a viable argument against the Ark theory.

Actually you even expect Bioware to make the Reapers do something that would harm ME:N's story.

This is so illogical I can't even be bothered to go on with this.

 

 

If you (and the others) want to constantly cry about the Ark theory, conveniences, contrivances, ass pulls, retcons, lore breakings, abandoning the Milky Way, and want to tie the hands of the writers with your arbitrary and petty demands, then be my guest.

 

I just want them to show us getting there, they can take us there in the magic school bus for all I care!  :D


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You've made/agreed with the argument that the ark would have just been kept secret thus that's why it isn't in the lore or Codex yet, but when it comes to something you disagree with, in this case the Reapers having the capabilities of intergalactic travel, suddenly that lore is rigid and they don't, despite the only person who says that being Vigil who admits it is just a hypothesis on his part. You can't have it both ways. Either the Codex is just "what the galaxy knows" and open to being wrong about everything, or the Codex is the rigid laws of the series and can't be changed. So which will it be? 

 

Also, no need to be aggressive. 

 

It's not in the Codex because the writers didn't come up with yet and it had nothing to do with the game. Do you expect every game's plot element to be in Mass Effect 1's Codex?



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I'm more disappointed in this Ark/ reboot/ whatever in the fact that I'm once again a N7 human soldier.

 

Why can't I play as an alien?

 

Already the game lost me and sounds lame.



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I feel like you are incapable to make sense.


Zero. Evidence. Makes plenty of sense to me.

But that sure is sweet of you.
 

It is stated numerous times that the Reapers are hibernated in Dark Space.


Indeed. Now, let's count the number of sources who make this claim with any knowledge whatsoever of what actually happens in darkspace.

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And somehow, without evidance, you come up with "what if they don't?" and expect it to be a viable argument against the Ark theory.


Yes, because tens of thousands of years is a long time for cosmic mecha-Cthulhu "beyond your comprehension" to just sit on their asses when there's organic chaos that needs fixing.
 

Actually you even expect Bioware to make the Reapers do something that would harm ME:N's story.


It's a valid concern they'll need to address, especially if they decide to exploit Reaper tech to make the centuries-long hike to Andromeda. Hell, they'll need to address it if they do the wormhole thing. A billion years of observing the universe is a long time to not run into other wormholes.
 

This is so illogical I can't even be bothered to go on with this.


Who's belittling now?
 

If you (and the others) want to constantly cry about the Ark theory, conveniences, contrivances, ass pulls, retcons, lore breakings, abandoning the Milky Way, and want to tie the hands of the writers with your arbitrary and petty demands, then be my guest.
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Aw, thanks chief. Folks were gonna do it anyway, but we appreciate your blessing.

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If you (and the others) want to constantly cry about the Ark theory, conveniences, contrivances, ass pulls, retcons, lore breakings, abandoning the Milky Way, and want to tie the hands of the writers with your arbitrary and petty demands, then be my guest.

 

Wanting to avoid "conveniences, contrivances, ass pulls, retcons, lore breaking" are not "petty demands.

 

And if not having them ties the hands of the writers, then we should just let the IP die anyway, as it's not worth continuing.

 

But good try at trolling.



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I'm more disappointed in this Ark/ reboot/ whatever in the fact that I'm once again a N7 human soldier.

 

Why can't I play as an alien?

 

Already the game lost me and sounds lame.

Meh, the aliens, aside from the (pre ME3) geth, were largely Humanoid Aliens anyway.  Just humans in alien costumes.



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Indeed. Now, let's count the number of sources who make this claim with any knowledge whatsoever of what actually happens in darkspace.

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It's the only thing that was claimed. Ever.

 

Everything else is just your fanfic.



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Seriously, they didn't think about traveling to another galaxy and observing the chaos of organic evolution over countless 50k rest periods?

 
Why would they?  If the problem description in their original programming made any references to the galaxy, 'throughout the galaxy', etc., there is no reason for them to have expanded it to include other galaxies.  Since synthetic intelligence is limited to the information given them (plus any new info they acquire) and neither the Leviathan nor any other galactic civilization were shown to have much data about any other galaxy, there really isn't much to support any notions that other galaxies would be of interest to them.
 
Of course, the natural argument to that is: but why wouldn't they?  And the only real answer or justification for any of it is that it depends on the story Bioware wants to tell.
 
Maybe it's just my personal preferences kicking in, but I honestly can't think of anything that would render Shepard's entire journey through the trilogy more thoroughly and completely moot than the ongoing presence of reapers anywhere.
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 Of course, the natural argument to that is: but why wouldn't they?  And the only real answer or justification for any of it is that it depends on the story Bioware wants to tell.

 

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

Sums up every argument so far.



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It's the only thing that was claimed. Ever.


Oh, well, that makes it right then!
 

Everything else is just your fanfic.


Everything you think you know is really just Vigil's fan-fic.

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Why would they?  If the problem description in their original programming made any references to the galaxy, 'throughout the galaxy', etc., there is no reason for them to have expanded it to include other galaxies.  Since synthetic intelligence is limited to the information given them (plus any new info they acquire) and neither the Leviathan nor any other galactic civilization were shown to have much data about any other galaxy, there really isn't much to support any notions that other galaxies would be of interest to them.
 
Of course, the natural argument to that is: but why wouldn't they?  And the only real answer or justification for any of it is that it depends on the story Bioware wants to tell.
 
Maybe it's just my personal preferences kicking in, but I honestly can't think of anything that would render Shepard's entire journey through the trilogy more thoroughly and completely moot than the ongoing presence of reapers anywhere.

 

If traversing to another galaxy is possible, then any synthetics in other galaxies can reach this galaxy, destroying organic life here.  Therefore, to safeguard life in this galaxy, the Reapers must travel to other galaxies and harvest life there to prevent them from developing synthetic life, which will travel to the Milky Way galaxy and destroy all life there.


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#1519
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Everything you think you know is really just Vigil's fan-fic.

I'm not sure you are aware of what fanfic means.



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 Maybe it's just my personal preferences kicking in, but I honestly can't think of anything that would render Shepard's entire journey through the trilogy more thoroughly and completely moot than the ongoing presence of reapers anywhere.

 

Yeah, this is a good point. As someone said before, it would be pretty hilarious if the next game revealed that we'd only dealt with a tiny fraction of the Reapers' multi-galaxy fleet and the rest of them were on their way to finish the job. 

 

ME3 is pretty much only an epic story because we're dealing with the Reapers once and for all. 

 

... and it's for that reason that I don't think the Reapers will ever be a significant plot point again. I don't think the new game will even mention them much.


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I'm not sure you are aware of what fanfic means.


All Vigil did was fill in a massive gap of uncovered time in the Reapers' story with what it believes, or would like to believe, is the truth.

Sounds exactly like fan-fic.

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All Vigil did was fill in a massive gap of uncovered time in the Reapers' story with what it believes, or would like to believe, is the truth.

Sounds exactly like fan-fic.

 

Now I'm sure you aren't.



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It can be called Vigil fic. Hahaha


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If traversing to another galaxy is possible, then any synthetics in other galaxies can reach this galaxy, destroying organic life here.


Assuming they exist, their reason for doing so would be... what exactly? Because they somehow believe that a bunch of organics in another galaxy pose a threat to them?
 

Therefore, to safeguard life in this galaxy, the Reapers must travel to other galaxies and harvest life there to prevent them from developing synthetic life, which will travel to the Milky Way galaxy and destroy all life there.


... unless they don't.

I don't recall any known presence of intergalactic species in the MEU thus far. That doesn't mean that no other species has intergalactic travel capabilities, just that we've not been shown any evidence of contact.

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So when the Codex supports your side, it is absolute fact. But when it doesn't, it is only "what the galaxy knows". Interesting.

It's more accurate to say that the Codex is always what the galaxy knows. Sometimes the galaxy is right about stuff. Sometimes galaxy is wrong about stuff.

Knowing which is which is occasionally difficult in ME. Why shouldn't it be? It's sometimes difficult IRL.