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SAVE THE MILKYWAY! Mass Effect 4 to DELETE MILKYWAY BECAUSE ANDROMEDA?


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#1576
ElitePinecone

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The fact you try to ridicule it doesn't help anyone though but just make you look like a jerk. 

 

There comes a point where reading your 828273483247328327238th post complaining about every single aspect of what's been revealed about the new game becomes an exercise in banging my head against a wall. 


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#1577
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And I have demonstrated intention: "Preserve life at any cost"


That's a great line.

And it could cause the intelligence to try to preserve the life of every ant, single-celled amoeba, coral reef, fungus, virus, potato bug, brontosaurus, and dodo bird that ever came forth.

But since it didn't, that means one of these things:

-- There was a lot more to the mandate - perhaps in the form of boundaries and stipulations - than were stated in-game.

-- The intelligence created its own interpretation of that mandate.
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#1578
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I do agree with some that I would find it hard to believe the reapers traveled to other galaxies to harvest. If they did, how would the crucible space junk reach the other galaxies? From what I know, the Citadel is the only relay that allows travel beyond our galaxy and the signal was altered by the Protheans.

 

It could be that the Reapers were active in the entire Local Group. Perhaps they just leave a single Reaper behind in each galaxy to monitor, with the entire fleet in dark space. The effects of the Crucible end up affecting the most of the Reaper fleet, which was in the Milky Way at the time. The only problem with that scenario is that it would potentially leave a small Reaper fleet intact and unaccounted for (there are 54 galaxies in the Local Group), if those sentinels link up.

 

Just speculating though...I don't have a preference for whether or not the Reapers were active in our galaxy alone or not. I just prefer new villains in ME: Next.


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#1579
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Maybe, but in the absence of Shepard the new team have clearly tried to cling to whatever they can use to remind people that this is still Mass Effect. I don't think Shepard is the *most* iconic thing about the entire franchise, but the N7 armour is quite an iconic part of Shepard.

 

I'm still totally dubious about them using N7, because I think it really has the potential to be either a terrible way of deifying our former character (as if Bioware are saying "look, we totally respect Shepard please don't hate us") or a cheap and nonsensical way to tie the new setting to the old one with a familiar motif. Especially if they start going down the route of N7 becoming a symbol of courage and strength, or whatever, when it was always just a military designation anyway.

 

I don't like it either.

 

If I can't be Shepard then I don't want to be "N7".



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That's a great line.

And it could cause the intelligence to try to preserve the life of every ant, single-celled amoeba, coral reef, fungus, virus, potato bug, brontosaurus, and dodo bird that ever came forth.

 

Well, I don't know about that but I have a theory about the brontosaurus.



#1581
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"Impose order on the chaos of organic evolution" and "preserve life at all costs" is solving a problem, period.

Never is it prefaced with: "... only in the this galaxy"..

Never is it prefaced "...In the entire universe." The boundary of its statements are unknown, not limitless.

I'd like to respond to the rest but I've been procrastinating and need to get to work.

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There comes a point where reading your 828273483247328327238th post complaining about every single aspect of what's been revealed about the new game becomes an exercise in banging my head against a wall. 

 

Indeed, I feel more discouraged to post here when people post the same thing over and over with "oh, this not what mass effect should be about" or "I know what is best for mass effect and any other idea is wrong".



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Actually we do not know if we as player will be N7 or if there will be just N7s in our team or whatever.



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I'm more disappointed in this Ark/ reboot/ whatever in the fact that I'm once again a N7 human soldier.

 

Why can't I play as an alien?

 

Already the game lost me and sounds lame.

Just wait. You don't actually know that.



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I wonder how people would feel if they were (role-)playing an alien who's obligated to help humanity find a new home.

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So what? They all have them and they are all uniqe.

 

Dragon Age has dwarves, elves, dragons, and mages. I guess you can't distinguish it from LotR, right?

Probably be a bit harder if they removed the Chantry, Ferelden, darkspawn, Orzamaar...



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There comes a point where reading your 828273483247328327238th post complaining about every single aspect of what's been revealed about the new game becomes an exercise in banging my head against a wall. 

Gets kinda frustrating when trying to explain why supposed "information" about the new game makes no freaking sense at all is met with mocking derision too.


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Hanako Ikezawa

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There comes a point where reading your 828273483247328327238th post complaining about every single aspect of what's been revealed about the new game becomes an exercise in banging my head against a wall. 

Then don't reply. Simple. 

 

Indeed, I feel more discouraged to post here when people post the same thing over and over with "oh, this not what mass effect should be about" or "I know what is best for mass effect and any other idea is wrong".

You realize you are agreeing with a person who does all the things you just complained about people doing, right? 



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Hanako Ikezawa

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I wonder how people would feel if they were (role-)playing an alien who's obligated to help humanity find a new home.

Can't play the kind of human I want to play in the Mass Effect series so far, so may as well at least get to be an alien. 



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Hanako Ikezawa

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It could be that the Reapers were active in the entire Local Group. Perhaps they just leave a single Reaper behind in each galaxy to monitor, with the entire fleet in dark space. The effects of the Crucible end up affecting the most of the Reaper fleet, which was in the Milky Way at the time. The only problem with that scenario is that it would potentially leave a small Reaper fleet intact and unaccounted for (there are 54 galaxies in the Local Group), if those sentinels link up.

 

Just speculating though...I don't have a preference for whether or not the Reapers were active in our galaxy alone or not. I just prefer new villains in ME: Next.

The unaffected vanguards would take centuries to reach Andromeda, minus the one in Andromeda and the ones in the dwarf galaxies that orbit it, so the people would never have to worry about more than a few at a time, and have plenty of time between waves to get ready for them. And that's only if they are alerted to our presense. They can easily not notice for centuries or even millennium, so won't be an issue in the story and leave it open for new villains. 



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How? I mean they closed that story, whether you like it or not, and are under no compulsion or obligation to deal with the endings ever again. Oh sure some fans who won't let it go will hound them about it, but honestly there's really nothing they can do to force them to change the endings, especially if this new direction is critically and commercially succesful.

Not doing anything about the endings is going to make Bioware look bad in the long run and means they aren't willing to deal with issue's they wrote themselves into.


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#1592
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Not doing anything about the endings is going to make Bioware look bad in the long run and means they aren't willing to deal with issue's they wrote themselves into.

They are doing something, they're moving on.

 

"Deal with it" how?  By retconning it?  What does Bioware have to do to fit your definition of "dealing with it"?


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#1593
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They are doing something, they're moving on.

 

"Deal with it" how?  By retconning it?  What does Bioware have to do to fit your definition of "dealing with it"?

Bioware running away from the problem and hoping they don't do it again doesn't inspire much confidence that they've learned from it. Bioware should at least try and maintain continuity while respecting player choices instead of not trying at all.



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Bioware running away from the problem and hoping they don't do it again doesn't inspire much confidence that they've learned from it. Bioware should at least try and maintain continuity while respecting player choices instead of not trying at all.

Ark Theory maintains continuity and respects player choice, it just isn't a direct sequel.

 

Not trying would be cobbling together a new adventure in the Milky Way with completely canonized outcome for all choices in the trilogy.  That way they would barely have to make anything new and not account for any choices of previous games.



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They could always come back to the Milky Way at a later date. Even if the next game is set in Andromeda or M32 or wherever, there is always the possibility that a subsequent ME game could be set in Council space.

 

That might even be the smart thing to do. By the time the series returns to the Milky Way it will be 2019 or 2020 and ME3 will by then be ancient history by video game standards. So much time will have passed that the embers of the ending controversy should have completely died down, and people will probably just be excited to return to the Citadel. Also a good chunk of the people buying the game will be 18 or 19 year olds who were in elementary school when ME1 released. They might not even know who Shepard is.



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Ark Theory maintains continuity and respects player choice, it just isn't a direct sequel.

 

Not trying would be cobbling together a new adventure in the Milky Way with completely canonized outcome for all choices in the trilogy.  That way they would barely have to make anything new and not account for any choices of previous games.

No it doesn't leaving the galaxy just means they've learned nothing from the mistakes they've made in the trilogy, they'll keep on making the same mistakes again and again and doesn't respect continuity since its already rendering player choices moot.



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Ark Theory maintains continuity and respects player choice, it just isn't a direct sequel.

 

Which player choices are they respecting?



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Which player choices are they respecting?

All. Is it really that hard to see?



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All. Is it really that hard to see?

Really?

 

Did you know that if you don't recruit Garrus in ME1, that he and Kirrahe will recognize each other on Sur'Kesh in ME3? How is that possible? Did Bioware respect my choice?



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Really?

 

Did you know that if you don't recruit Garrus in ME1, that he and Kirrahe will recognize each other on Sur'Kesh in ME3? How is that possible? Did Bioware respect my choice?

Sound like an oversight in development.  Not sure what what it has to do with ME:N though.


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