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[Sion1138]

Ark Theory maintains continuity and respects player choice, it just isn't a direct sequel.

 

Not trying would be cobbling together a new adventure in the Milky Way with completely canonized outcome for all choices in the trilogy.  That way they would barely have to make anything new and not account for any choices of previous games.

 

I don't see the difference. You don't account for choices either way.

 

In my view, continuing from one end scenario or a mixture of all three would at least account for some choices. Nobody would expect all choices to be respected, that would be ludicrous.

 

I know it won't happen but I just don't understand the opposition to it.

[ZoliCs]

Really?

 

Did you know that if you don't recruit Garrus in ME1, that he and Kirrahe will recognize each other on Sur'Kesh in ME3? How is that possible? Did Bioware respect my choice?

 

We are not talking about Mass Effect 3.

 

But I like that example. So in that case Bioware canonized Garrus being recruited in ME1, so to speak (most like it's a save game transfer bug). That is not respecting player choice.

If Garrus and Kirrahe never meets in ME3 though, then there is no retcon, nor there is a need for it.

[Heimdall]

No it doesn't leaving the galaxy just means they've learned nothing from the mistakes they've made in the trilogy, they'll keep on making the same mistakes again and again and doesn't respect continuity since its already rendering player choices moot.

A fresh start doesn't prove that Bioware hasn't learned anything, it gives them a fresh chance to either make the same mistakes or demonstrate that they've learned and won't make the same mistakes.  That's the point of a fresh start.

 

Player choices mattered.  If not seeing that choice in the next installment makes that choices retroactively ceases to exist for you, that sounds like your problem.

[themikefest]

Sound like an oversight in development.

Sounds like your making an excuse for Bioware. There are a few others that my choice didn't matter.
 

Not sure what what it has to do with ME:N though.

I could ask you the same question. You want to go to another galaxy so your choices matter, right? Why can't my choices matter?

[Heimdall]

I don't see the difference. You don't account for choices either way.

 

In my view, continuing from one end scenario or a mixture of all three would at least account for some choices. Nobody would expect all choices to be respected, that would be ludicrous.

 

I know it won't happen but I just don't understand the opposition to it.

Because I'm not invested at all in the idea of continuing after the ME3 ending, so its a cost benefit decision between my lack of interest in that scenario and the game overwriting my choices to make it happen.  I'd rather not do it.

[themikefest]

We are not talking about Mass Effect 3.

 

But I like that example. So in that case Bioware canonized Garrus being recruited in ME1, so to speak (most like it's a save game transfer bug). That is not respecting player choice.

If Garrus and Kirrahe never meets in ME3 though, then there is no retcon, nor there is a need for it.

Like the other poster, it sounds like your making an excuse for Bioware. Do you have something to support that its a bug? I can give you other examples of my choice not mattering

[Heimdall]

Sounds like your making an excuse for Bioware. There are a few others that my choice didn't matter.
 

I could ask you the same question. You want to go to another galaxy so your choices matter, right? Why can't my choices matter?

No, I'm just calling it as I see it.  Garrus is a huge fan favorite and very few people didn't recruit him in ME1.  I find it quite likely they simply forgot to account for the scenario where he wasn't recruited in that instance.

 

Your choices matter as much as mine in Ark Theory, what are you on about?

[ZoliCs]

I don't see the difference. You don't account for choices either way.

 

But with the ark every different Shepard's worldstate is valid. They also preserve headcanons. Retcon shits on those.

 

In my view, continuing from one end scenario or a mixture of all three would at least account for some choices. Nobody would expect all choices to be respected, that would be ludicrous.

It's no accounting for chocies if you take them away. How is it a choice to not cure the genophage if they gona canonize curing it? How is it a choice to choose the Geth over the Quarians if they canonize peace?

 

With the Ark if you didn't cure the genophage then the Krogans still have it, period. With the Ark if you chose Destroy and headcanoned that they fixed EDI and the Geth, it happens.

 

Canon/retcon is the worst thing that could happen to Mass Effect.

[Drone223]

A fresh start doesn't prove that Bioware hasn't learned anything, it gives them a fresh chance to either make the same mistakes or demonstrate that they've learned and won't make the same mistakes.  That's the point of a fresh start.

 

Player choices mattered.  If not seeing that choice in the next installment makes that choices retroactively ceases to exist for you, that sounds like your problem.

No it won't, because the problem will still be there and its not going away until Bioware decides to face the music because sooner or later they'll have to.

[ZoliCs]

Like the other poster, it sounds like your making an excuse for Bioware. Do you have something to support that its a bug? I can give you other examples of my choice not mattering

 

No I don't, that's why it's in brackets

But save import bugs are not uncommon.

[themikefest]

No, I'm just calling it as I see it.  Garrus is a huge fan favorite and very few people didn't recruit him in ME1.  I find it quite likely they simply forgot to account for the scenario where he wasn't recruited in that instance.

I don't care if he's a fan favorite or not. You're just making an excuse for Bioware
 

Your choices matter as much as mine in Ark Theory, what are you on about?

What choices are those? What are you on about?

[ZoliCs]

No it won't, because the problem will still be there and its not going away until Bioware decides to face the music because sooner or later they'll have to.

What problem?

[dreamgazer]

I roleplay a Shepard who goes on an expedition to Andromeda some years after the Reaper war.

WHAT NOW, GUISE?

[Sion1138]

But with the ark every different Shepard's worldstate is valid. They also preserve headcanons. Retcon shits on those.

 

It's no accounting for chocies if you take them away. How is it a choice to not cure the genophage if they gona canonize curing it? How is it a choice to choose the Geth over the Quarians if they canonize peace?

 

With the Ark if you didn't cure the genophage then the Krogans still have it, period. With the Ark if you chose Destroy and headcanoned that they fixed EDI and the Geth, it happens.

 

Canon/retcon is the worst thing that could happen to Mass Effect.

 

I said some choices, the majority choices probably.

 

Democratic.

[Heimdall]

No it won't, because the problem will still be there and its not going away until Bioware decides to face the music because sooner or later they'll have to.

No, it won't, the franchise has moved on, ME3's ending doesn't matter to the Mass Effect set in Andromeda.  They don't need to address it to move forward.

 

You know it would be easier to accept your talk about facing things and whatnot if you actually explained what any of it meant beyond vague rhetoric.

[Torgette]

No it won't, because the problem will still be there and its not going away until Bioware decides to face the music because sooner or later they'll have to.

 

Why is that? If the Shepard story is over then it's over. If we're in Andromeda because of a wormhole then that effectively cuts off any meaningful contact with the Milky Way. If the Milky Way advances enough to travel over it won't be until any new games' characters are long dead, and moving that far ahead it might as well be a new IP as nothing will be familiar by then anyways.

[ZoliCs]

I roleplay a Shepard who goes on an expedition to Andromeda some years after the Reaper war.

WHAT NOW, GUISE?

 

Unless they are using the same tech they won't arrive at the same time, or palce. Solved, next.

[ZoliCs]

I said some choices, the majority choices probably.

 

Democratic.

 

There won't be save import so they either canonize everything or nothing.

[Malanek]

What problem?

There is still a problem if they ever want to do a sequel in the milky way. If they don't, there isn't.

[Heimdall]

I don't care if he's a fan favorite or not. You're just making an excuse for Bioware

I'm not excusing them, they should have caught it, I'm just saying what I think probably happened.
 

What choices are those? What are you on about?

Whatever choices you want. None of them are contradicted under Ark Theory. They happened and had an impact on the Milky Way, just not the new galaxy.

[dreamgazer]

Unless they are using the same tech they won't arrive at the same time, or palce. Solved, next.

Aren't we supposed to be fast-forwarding some time to establish the colonization project?

Also, post-war, we're going to have access to Reaper tech galore, which means we'll be able to tap into their resources even better and quicker than this slapdash Noah's Space Ark. Maybe they'll beat 'em there.

[ZoliCs]

There is still a problem if they ever want to do a sequel in the milky way. If they don't, there isn't.

They made Mass Effect 3 with the intention that chronologically it is the last game. It's not their problem that fans just can't let it go.

[Sion1138]

There won't be save import so they either canonize everything or nothing.

 

Democratic as in canonizing the most popular choices for the major plot points.

 

They have the data.

[ZoliCs]

Aren't we supposed to be fast-forwarding some time to establish the colonization project?

Also, post-war, we're going to have access to Reaper tech galore, which means we'll be able to tap into their resources even better and quicker than this slapdash Noah's Space Ark. Maybe they'll beat 'em there.

 

Then your Shepard got there sooner and died alone. Can we stop this? It's so juvenile.

[themikefest]

 Whatever choices you want. None of them are contradicted under Ark Theory. They happened and had an impact on the Milky Way, just not the new galaxy.

Doesn't matter. They said they respect players choices when they clearly don't. Yes its a small choice, but its still a choice