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SAVE THE MILKYWAY! Mass Effect 4 to DELETE MILKYWAY BECAUSE ANDROMEDA?


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#1626
ZoliCs

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Democratic as in canonizing the most popular choices.

 

They have the data.

 

Canon is canon, even if 90% of people did that (which is impossible).

 

I'd still hate canon if they'd choose my exact first playthrough for it.


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#1627
Heimdall

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Doesn't matter. They said they respect players choices when they clearly don't. Yes its a small choice, but its still a choice

Even if it was an accidental oversight? Not malicious?

I'm not saying Bioware has otherwise done a great job handling choice in the trilogy, they haven't, but I want them to do better. That's why I hope for a blank slate for a fresh start with a new studio.

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What problem?

The endings, they can only explain so much about galaxy after the war.

 

No, it won't, the franchise has moved on, ME3's ending doesn't matter to the Mass Effect set in Andromeda.  They don't need to address it to move forward.

 

You know it would be easier to accept your talk about facing things and whatnot if you actually explained what any of it meant beyond vague rhetoric.

Moving to another galaxy defeats the purpose of preserving player choices since it renders them irrelevant since it defeats the purpose of saving the galaxy in the first place. Not to mention ark theory is built on nothing but contrivances, conveniences and hand weaving which is are some of the major issues in the trilogy. If they want to learn from their mistakes then they should avoid using said issues in their plots.


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The endings, they can only explain so much about galaxy after the war.

What about it? Even if you didn't like it they are under no obligation to fix it.



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Canon is canon, even if 90% of people did that (which is impossible).

 

I'd still hate canon if they'd choose my exact first playthrough for it.

 

And I would love it even if they chose the exact opposite of mine.



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Moving to another galaxy defeats the purpose of preserving player choices since it renders them irrelevant since it defeats the purpose of saving the galaxy in the first place.

Like I said, if the the direct consequence of a choice happening off-screen in the sequel retroactively renders the entirely trilogy irrelevant to you, that sounds like your problem.
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Even if it was an accidental oversight? Not malicious?

If they are able to know if Liara saw Benezia on Noveria or wasn't on that mission, when she talks with her "dad", then they should've known about Garrus not being recruited in ME1.

Here's another one. If you don't recruit Garrus in ME1, don't see Liara on Illium in ME2, let Garrus die during the suicide mission, why would Liara say "Where would Garrus be in all this?" on Palaven when they never met?
 

I'm not saying Bioware has otherwise done a great job handling choice in the trilogy, they haven't, but I want them to do better. That's why I hope for a blank slate for a fresh start with a new studio.

My suggestion to them is to not say your choices matter anymore



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Like I said, if the the direct consequence of a choice happening off-screen in the sequel retroactively renders the entirely trilogy irrelevant to you, that sounds like your problem.

How are people suppose to know the state of the galaxy after the war if they aren't going to see it again, the fate of the galaxy will be left ambiguous and not in a  good way.

 

No.

Building an ark that requires a massive amount of resources and recruiting the many thousands of personal needed to build it and some how keeping it a secret definitely fits the description of being contrived. I give you a whole list of things that show that ark theory has a lot of contrivances.



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If Bioware ever returns to the Milky Way I think they should just role with one ending choice as the sole import for a sequel. The other choices are still canon, the sequel just doesn't explore their aftermath. Maybe they should even have the fans vote on it, similar to that poll they had on default Fem Shep in ME3. "Choose your sequel."



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Even if it was an accidental oversight? Not malicious?

I'm not saying Bioware has otherwise done a great job handling choice in the trilogy, they haven't, but I want them to do better. That's why I hope for a blank slate for a fresh start with a new studio.

I have no illusions that my choices mattered or will ever matter.  But I'd rather they didn't scrap the entire setting because they frakked up ME3.



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How are people suppose to know the state of the galaxy after the war if they aren't going to see it again, the fate of the galaxy will be left ambiguous and not in a  good way.

EC + headcanon. I don't see people crying about Tolkien not writing what happens after the War of the Ring.

 

Building an ark that requires a massive amount of resources and recruiting the many thousands of personal needed to build it and some how keeping it a secret definitely fits the description of being contrived. I give you a whole list of things that show that ark theory has a lot of contrivances.

You gave nothing. The lore is not explicit on any of those.



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If Bioware ever returns to the Milky Way I think they should just role with one ending choice as the sole import for a sequel. The other choices are still canon, the sequel just doesn't explore their aftermath. Maybe they should even have the fans vote on it, similar to that poll they had on default Fem Shep in ME3. "Choose your sequel."


IMO, thats a really really bad idea. If this happened, most people would start saying that whatever ending is used is the canon ending. We dont need another divide in the community.

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If Bioware ever returns to the Milky Way I think they should just role with one ending choice as the sole import for a sequel. The other choices are still canon, the sequel just doesn't explore their aftermath. Maybe they should even have the fans vote on it, similar to that poll they had on default Fem Shep in ME3. "Choose your sequel."

There's another option

 

As Shepard passes out, the crucible fires it space magic destroying the reapers. Or it fires the space magic that changes the reapers programming causing them to leave the galaxy never to be heard from again. Or it fires it space magic that changes the reapers programmiing that causes them to destroy each other. What this does is get rid of the catalyst



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Why is that? If the Shepard story is over then it's over. If we're in Andromeda because of a wormhole then that effectively cuts off any meaningful contact with the Milky Way. If the Milky Way advances enough to travel over it won't be until any new games' characters are long dead, and moving that far ahead it might as well be a new IP as nothing will be familiar by then anyways.

SO this is our new ship?

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=GRW8mv3GnDA

 

Hmm, Kate Mulgrew voicing the PC might go over well  :P



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Like I said, if the the direct consequence of a choice happening off-screen in the sequel retroactively renders the entirely trilogy irrelevant to you, that sounds like your problem.

 

Sure, but you do know why people have these problems.

 

The trilogy set up the expectation of continuity, over 5 years of games, novels, comics and whatnot.  The expectation of the next installment.

 

In the end, its conclusion wasn't nearly good enough to alleviate that. It kind of made a good chunk of the experience a bit irrelevant.

 

Hence, if it's left in that state, that feeling remains.

 

Plus, people feel there's still a lot of life in the setting and they don't want it thrown away.


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Hi everyone. Let's keep it civil in here.



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How are people suppose to know the state of the galaxy after the war if they aren't going to see it again, the fate of the galaxy will be left ambiguous and not in a good way.


Thats your opinion. EC + headcanon (that is not contradicting) is good for me.

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How are people suppose to know the state of the galaxy after the war if they aren't going to see it again, the fate of the galaxy will be left ambiguous and not in a  good way.

It doesn't have to be. Perhaps the colonists have a QEC device but the people on the other end were lost in the course of the war. Then, in the course of the game, the MW device might be rediscovered by Liara or something and you could have a chat about the state of the galaxy.

Would that satisfy you?

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EC + headcanon. I don't see people crying about Tolkien not writing what happens after the War of the Ring.

 

 

Frodo Lives

 

:whistle:


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If they are able to know if Liara saw Benezia on Noveria or wasn't on that mission, when she talks with her "dad", then they should've known about Garrus not being recruited in ME1.

Here's another one. If you don't recruit Garrus in ME1, don't see Liara on Illium in ME2, let Garrus die during the suicide mission, why would Liara say "Where would Garrus be in all this?" on Palaven when they never met?


All this proves is that there were two accidental oversights with Garrus. Or rather, that the same oversight shows up in two places.

You're more likely to notice these than most people, since you're into killing off the popular characters.

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If Bioware ever returns to the Milky Way I think they should just role with one ending choice as the sole import for a sequel. The other choices are still canon, the sequel just doesn't explore their aftermath. Maybe they should even have the fans vote on it, similar to that poll they had on default Fem Shep in ME3. "Choose your sequel."

 

Maybe they could make three 7 hour games and call it a day.  :D



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Hi everyone. Let's keep it civil in here.

 

That's a tall order

 

 

Plus, you pretty much know what happens if you read the Silmarillion. Because that's where you can find out about the place where Frodo is going.

 

It's a grand ending.



#1648
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EC + headcanon. I don't see people crying about Tolkien not writing what happens after the War of the Ring.

Well, he did. its been awhile since I read the books, but I recall an extensive epilogue detailing the rest of many characters' entire lives, sometimes the lives of their children too.
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It doesn't have to be. Perhaps the colonists have a QEC device but the people on the other end were lost in the course of the war. Then, in the course of the game, the MW device might be rediscovered by Liara or something and you could have a chat about the state of the galaxy.

Would that satisfy you?


Yeah, but I thought the whole point of moving to Andromeda was to not have to handle this stuff.

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It doesn't have to be. Perhaps the colonists have a QEC device but the people on the other end were lost in the course of the war. Then, in the course of the game, the MW device might be rediscovered by Liara or something and you could have a chat about the state of the galaxy.

Would that satisfy you?


That's what I've been thinking too. A conversation via QEC explaining the state of the Milky Way would be nice. Tho I hope it wouldnt be Liara on the other end.