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[NM_Che56]

I like the idea of possibilities. Not so much "infinite" ones though.

Weeeellll there's always a limit, right? LOL

[NM_Che56]

We don't have to know EVERYTHING.  But anything new must remain internally consistent.  If it flies in the face of what is already known, there has to be a reason WHY we didn't know it before and WHY it fits now.

 

Suddenly having intergalactic travel capability when current FTL drives would fry the crew long before reaching the destination, and even the Reapers would take centuries to make the journey, leaves little wiggle room for an explanation that isn't space magic, totally contrived, or both.

 

But we haven't even heard the whole story to know if it's "internally inconsistent".  You say "suddenly" but we don't know the full story.

 

People are sh*++ing on this and they don't even know the details yet.

[NM_Che56]

at this point, people are critiquing a cake that's still in the oven.

[Iakus]

But we haven't even heard the whole story to know if it's "internally inconsistent".  You say "suddenly" but we don't know the full story.

 

People are sh*++ing on this and they don't even know the details yet.

Yeah, we kinda have.

 

Once eezo was discovered, they stopped looking into other "goose chase" methods of FTL travel

 

"Your civilization is based on the technology of the mass relays. Our technology. By using it, your civilization develops along the paths we desire"

 

Could some new method be discovered eventually?  Or a new method of using eezo as a propulsion?  Perhaps.  But it would not be quick. They'd be starting from scratch.  Which pretty effectively torpedoes this hypothetical new propulsion system as 'Ark Theory"

 

Such a story would likely be many years, centuries likely, in the future.  And in the meantime, there's still a ginormous number of stars in this galaxy to explore.

 

Random wormhole?  Maybe.  But like I said, that would be a massively contrived way to kick off the story.  Not a good way to win back fans disillusioned by the last game.

 

As a new IP, maybe it could work.  It would be a setting operating on a completely different set of rules.  But as a Mass Effect game?  The concept is absolutely fraught with problems.

[Iakus]

at this point, people are critiquing a cake that's still in the oven.

No, we're looking at a "recipe" and noticing that baking powder and baking soda are being used interchangeably.

[saladinbob]

Andromeda is the final nail in the coffin of the ME trilogy, and honestly, I think that is for the best. So many people seem so desperate to go backwards and unwilling to let go of the past. I think ME needs a really fresh start so people can stop thinking and harping on the past. Right now, its all they have left, but when something new comes out, it will give them something else to focus on and be excited about. 

 

Seems most people on here would agree. The problem is most of the customers aren't most people on this forum. You could slap a 'Mass Effect 4' sticker on the arse of a donkey and people would still buy it. EA couldn't give a Monkey's Uncle whether you like it or not, they're like Ferengi - once they have your money they never give it back.

[Torgette]

Yeah, we kinda have.

 

Once eezo was discovered, they stopped looking into other "goose chase" methods of FTL travel

 

"Your civilization is based on the technology of the mass relays. Our technology. By using it, your civilization develops along the paths we desire"

 

Could some new method be discovered eventually?  Or a new method of using eezo as a propulsion?  Perhaps.  But it would not be quick. They'd be starting from scratch.  Which pretty effectively torpedoes this hypothetical new propulsion system as 'Ark Theory"

 

Such a story would likely be many years, centuries likely, in the future.  And in the meantime, there's still a ginormous number of stars in this galaxy to explore.

 

Random wormhole?  Maybe.  But like I said, that would be a massively contrived way to kick off the story.  Not a good way to win back fans disillusioned by the last game.

 

As a new IP, maybe it could work.  It would be a setting operating on a completely different set of rules.  But as a Mass Effect game?  The concept is absolutely fraught with problems.

 

Part of my motivation for choosing the destroy ending regardless of whether Shep lived or not was that galactic civilization was built on a lie and the deaths of a quintillion number of previous living beings all for the mistaken purpose of a billion year old AI. To me moving on from that technology and building your own future was really important, maybe in a future game we get to see the milky way build that future hundreds or thousands of years after the events of ME3, but if not oh well.

[NM_Che56]

No, we're looking at a "recipe" and noticing that baking powder and baking soda are being used interchangeably.

Barely,

 

We don't know the whole set of ingredients.

 

People are going to see problems because they WANT to see them...

[NM_Che56]

 

 

• But it would not be quick. They'd be starting from scratch.  Which pretty effectively torpedoes this hypothetical new propulsion system as 'Ark Theory"
• Such a story would likely be many years, centuries likely, in the future.  

 

According the the leak, the next game is not only far removed by space, but also by....*drum roll* *pause for effect* TIME!!!

 

 

So then I don't see the issue, other than people not wanting to move on.

[SpacePirateRegis]

This thread's title.  Did someone's auto-translate software fail?  lol.

Anyway, I like the setting.  We can and likely will go back to The Milky Way in a sequel.

So no.  The Milky Way not deleted because Andromeda.

[NM_Che56]

And let's not forget, the leak was from a survey.  According to the leaker,

 

"They asked my satisfaction with each of those descriptions"

 

Why ask for it if it's set in stone?

 

I contend that it isn't set in stone, they are just seeing what floats and what doesn't and will make adjustments based on the results of this marketing survey.

[SpacePirateRegis]

And let's not forget, the leak was from a survey.  According to the leaker,

 

"They asked my satisfaction with each of those descriptions"

 

Why ask for it if it's set in stone?

 

I contend that it isn't set in stone, they are just seeing what floats and what doesn't and will make adjustments based on the results of this marketing survey.

 

A guy I follow on YouTube who makes ME news says gaming companies leak details out like this before announcing games so that they can judge the public's response to certain elements, that way they know how to announce the game.

[Iakus]

Part of my motivation for choosing the destroy ending regardless of whether Shep lived or not was that galactic civilization was built on a lie and the deaths of a quintillion number of previous living beings all for the mistaken purpose of a billion year old AI. To me moving on from that technology and building your own future was really important, maybe in a future game we get to see the milky way build that future hundreds or thousands of years after the events of ME3, but if not oh well.

I know.  If Destroy meant the destruction of the relays (without a nova blast) instead of the geth/EDI, I'd have picked it in a heartbeat.

[NM_Che56]

A guy I follow on YouTube who makes ME news says gaming companies leak details out like this before announcing games so that they can judge the public's response to certain elements, that way they know how to announce the game.

oh I'm sure they do!  

[Iakus]

Barely,

 

We don't know the whole set of ingredients.

 

People are going to see problems because they WANT to see them...

"The burned hand teaches best.  After that advice about fire goes to the heart" 

[Iakus]

According the the leak, the next game is not only far removed by space, but also by....*drum roll* *pause for effect* TIME!!!

 

 

So then I don't see the issue, other than people not wanting to move on.

Sure.  With current tech it would take a couple of centuries to get to Andromeda.  Even with Reaper drives.

[Iakus]

EDI is part of the Reaper legacy though. If you want to "ween off" their tech, she's gotta go. Same with the Geth...software wise.

So EDI's capabilities are reduced and the geth returns to being a consensus.  Still fine with it.

[NM_Che56]

Sure.  With current tech it would take a couple of centuries to get to Andromeda.  Even with Reaper drives.

In which this game could very well take place.  We don't know other than "far removed by time..."

[Pasquale1234]

Headcanon is nice and all but it's just that - headcanon, it isn't real and isn't the headcanon of the writers. Besides that everybody's headcanon already tramples all over everybody else's headcanon, you can easily kill creativity with that stuff. As for a sequel to ME3, obviously the ending is vague and I don't think there's an easy solution to that, hence why it's a pipe dream. One can dream though! I'm just happy another ME is even being made.

I don't expect them to honor headcanon. I do expect them to honor their own vision - and they've finished the story they intended to tell in the trilogy. It's done. Completed. Finished. Full stop.

Now some people seem to want them to tack on additional chapters to a work of fiction that was not one specific story with a set conclusion, but a branching narrative with many permutations of possible events, outcomes, and world states. I can't think of anything that would be less conducive to the free exercise of creativity.

[Iakus]

In which this game could very well take place.  We don't know other than "far removed by time..."

 

We can see Bioware's pattern of behavior though.  Using handwaving and space magic to hammer in plot points that don't fit.  I've seen it far too many times to see this as anything but problematic.

[Torgette]

I don't expect them to honor headcanon. I do expect them to honor their own vision - and they've finished the story they intended to tell in the trilogy. It's done. Completed. Finished. Full stop.

Now some people seem to want them to tack on additional chapters to a work of fiction that was not one specific story with a set conclusion, but a branching narrative with many permutations of possible events, outcomes, and world states. I can't think of anything that would be less conducive to the free exercise of creativity.

 

Sure, my fan-side says i'd go nuts for a direct sequel, my bigger-picture side says letting them be creative is the most important thing possible if Mass Effect as an IP is going to grow and continue being great. I do think a direct sequel would obviously require a ton of creativity to make work though, it's an interesting challenge, but by no means do I want them to sacrifice their vision for that - besides a direct sequel would have to move on from Shepard and co. anyways.

[pdusen]

the issue was a sizeable (read the overwhelming majority) of PC players crashing and unable to get past the first cut scene.

 

You're delusional if you seriously think an overwhelming majority of PC players had this problem.

 

Hell, you're delusional if you even think a significant minority of PC players had this problem.

 

Gaming news sources would have had an absolute field day with it, if that were the case. We know this because they do when any other game has problems on that scale.

[Iakus]

That'd be interesting.. and kind of sad.

 

Reminds me of that De Niro movie "Awakenings", where he resorts back to his comatose state at the end.

And people think all I'm after are rainbows and butterflies