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[Malanek]

So much stuff to deal with.

 

You mentioned the Krogan but with the damage taken, pretty much every civilization would be in a similar situation. Their populations culled and their worlds akin to Tuchanka.

 

It would be a hotpot, particularly around Earth where all the fleets and the Citadel are.

Yeah, I in no means meant interest was limited to Krogan. There is basically a massive power vacuum and opportunity for all the species and individuals to advance themselves. You just don't have that by shifting to Andromeda with a tiny population. Any historical bias or alliances would be gone in a single generation as they have to depend on each other. 

[Dr. Rush]

I mean, oh well, enjoy Andromeda.

[Heimdall]

It's difficult to explain. In terms of writing a story it all just seems to fit. You write forward and go through logical steps as to what will happen based on the motivations of those involved.

I don't think Bioware has actually managed to do that in this series so far.

[goishen]

In a period of rebuilding, there's very little exploration done.  Because one person has to rebuild when he could be doing other things.  It's not like we've got infinite numbers of people to do those jobs.   We've got a certain set.  Once those people are taken up, it's either...   Find somebody else, or wait 50 years and maybe we'll have time to do it.

[Drone223]

In a period of rebuilding, there's very little exploration done.  Because one person has to rebuild when he could be doing other things.  It's not like we've got infinite numbers of people to do those jobs.   We've got a certain set.  Once those people are taken up, it's either...   Find somebody else, or wait 50 years and maybe we'll have time to do it.

Actually a good reason to carry out exploration while the galaxy is rebuilding is to find planets/star systems that are rich in raw materials because there's a good chance that most of the known mines could be either starting to become exhausted or destroyed. 

[Sion1138]

I don't think Bioware has actually managed to do that in this series so far.

 

Yeah...

[goishen]

Actually a good reason to carry out exploration while the galaxy is rebuilding is to find planets/star systems that are rich in raw materials because there's a good chance that most of the known mines could be either starting to become exhausted or destroyed. 

 

 

Right, but that's all you'd be doing.   You wouldn't even have time to "grab and move on" like Jacob's father did. 

[Sion1138]

Right, but that's all you'd be doing.   You wouldn't even have time to "grab and move on" like Jacob's father did. 

 

Yeah, that just as a side activity. You could be looking for settlement sites and resources, fighting opportunistic mercenaries, pirates and whatnot just as you will in the new game per the leaked survey, you could be tasked with locating the remains of Reapers all over the place, maybe they fall into the wrong hands.

 

There's a lot there and nothing precludes the inclusion of other, more mysterious or grand plot motivators, as they will have to do in the new game as well.

 

There's no difference really, save that you maintain continuity and you do it within universe people have come to know, shown in a different light this time.

[von uber]

Things you are keeping that are unique and help define mass effect

 

-The history

 

Just out of interest, how are you keeping the history if you are abandoning it?

[saladinbob]

In a period of rebuilding, there's very little exploration done.  Because one person has to rebuild when he could be doing other things.  It's not like we've got infinite numbers of people to do those jobs.   We've got a certain set.  Once those people are taken up, it's either...   Find somebody else, or wait 50 years and maybe we'll have time to do it.

 

On the other hand, a Council Spectre is sent where the Council needs them. The space didn't need to be unexplored in order to be new. There's a difference between the two things and the Spectre (Shepard or whomever) could have been sent to this place on a mission only to uncover a new threat. You don't have to resort to a soft reboot in order to set it in space new to the franchise.

[Heimdall]

Just out of interest, how are you keeping the history if you are abandoning it?

History doesn't vanish just because you aren't in the place it happened in.

[Sion1138]

History doesn't vanish just because you aren't in the place it happened in.

 

Kinda does though, in a sense.

 

I mean, I doubt it will be strictly relevant to the next game in any way, especially not the history you've seen.

 

Just as would be the case if it were a full on reboot.

[von uber]

History doesn't vanish just because you aren't in the place it happened in.

 

No, but it becomes irrelevant if you are in a completely different galaxy to the one it occurred in. The things that define the species and their culture (i.e. their history) will disappear, and they will become something different.

And not Mass Effect, but a third person RPG inspired by Mass Effect.

[saladinbob]

History doesn't vanish just because you aren't in the place it happened in.

 

To some extent, depends upon circumstance but it does cease to be relevant to the situation and setting. At best, ME1-3's history is a footnote in the new game which marginalises those games in my opinion.

[Heimdall]

No, but it becomes irrelevant if you are in a completely different galaxy to the one it occurred in. The things that define the species and their culture (i.e. their history) will disappear, and they will become something different.

And not Mass Effect, but a third person RPG inspired by Mass Effect.

I doubt they're planning to purge their historical archives and never tell their children about their history.

 

History is all about "Becoming something different" there's an argument to be made that political, cultural, and social change is what history is all about.  Peoples aren't static.

[Heimdall]

To some extent, depends upon circumstance but it does cease to be relevant to the situation and setting. At best, ME1-3's history is a footnote in the new game which marginalises those games in my opinion.

Maybe, then again the events of those game are the entire impetus for leaving the galaxy in theory, so hardly a footnote.

[von uber]

I doubt they're planning to purge their historical archives and never tell their children about their history.  History is all about "Becoming something different" there's an argument to be made that political, cultural, and social change is what history is all about.  Peoples aren't static.

 

No they are not; but why would an Asari in Andromeda give a damn about Thessia - all it would do is make them want to go back and reclaim their lost heritage. They will change culturally and no longer be the Asari we know.

Same for all the other species, and if that's the case then you might as well have a new IP.

[saladinbob]

Maybe, then again the events of those game are the entire impetus for leaving the galaxy in theory, so hardly a footnote.

 

Rather illogical since the threat to that Galaxy had been dealt with. Unless of course it's this 'Ark theory' but that presents its own problems.

[Sion1138]

I doubt they're planning to purge their historical archives and never tell their children about their history.

 

History is all about "Becoming something different" there's an argument to be made that political, cultural, and social change is what history is all about.  Peoples aren't static.

 

Yes, but here we are talking about diverging histories.

 

Take human migration, times a billion.

 

Plus, this isn't the real world we're talking about. It's not about how relevant it is to the characters in the game, but to the player.

[Malanek]

Just out of interest, how are you keeping the history if you are abandoning it?

Because it still happened. They will always have come from the Milky Way. The writers can still refer to history and the player will understand (if they are familiar with the previous games).

[Sion1138]

Because it still happened. They will always have come from the Milky Way.

 

Yeah and my people came from somewhere around the Carpathian mountains.

 

Could have come from Mars for all I care.

[von uber]

...might as well have a new IP.

I understand that for you as long as it has some shooty bang bang in a third person along with a gloss of player choice it will be mass effect, but posting a gif doesn't really strengthen your argument that that is the case for everyone.

No species homeworlds or colonies
No places
No galactic governments or politics
No history relating to the species
No mass relays (without opening a whole can of worms )
No citadel

I can go on. Apart from a few token species how will it be relatable to the previous trilogy? If you renamed the krogan to the Bogan, would it make any difference?

Incidentally the whole ark theory founders on the sheer logistics of such an enterprise, especially if you want self sustaining colonies with no reinforcements from the milky way.

[Drone223]

I understand that for you as long as it has some shooty bang bang in a third person along with a gloss of player choice it will be mass effect, but posting a gif doesn't really strengthen your argument that that is the case for everyone.

No species homeworlds or colonies
No places
No galactic governments or politics
No history relating to the species
No mass relays (without opening a whole can of worms )
No citadel

I can go on. Apart from a few token species how will it be relatable to the previous trilogy? If you renamed the krogan to the Bogan, would it make any difference?

Incidentally the whole ark theory founders on the sheer logistics of such an enterprise, especially if you want self sustaining colonies with no reinforcements from the milky way.

Not to mention they'll need the means to defend themselves e.g. a fleet if a hostile species finds them since they could just bomb the colony from orbit. Such a thing would require vasts amounts of resources and wouldn't go unnoticed for long.

[Heimdall]

No they are not; but why would an Asari in Andromeda give a damn about Thessia - all it would do is make them want to go back and reclaim their lost heritage. They will change culturally and no longer be the Asari we know.

Same for all the other species, and if that's the case then you might as well have a new IP.

And I'm telling you that people change through time wherever they are.  I don't have much in common with my English ancestor from four centuries ago, but I doubt my distant relatives that still live there do either.  Put another way, a Turian in the time of ME3 won't be the same as a turian several centuries down the line.

 

All this is to say, change is expected.  That being said, moving to Andromeda won't stop the Asari or anyone else from passing their cultural values and heritage down to their children.

[saladinbob]

The whole 'Ark' theory is stretching things a little too much. If you're going to colonise another planet you'd need to know it had a hospitable climate, funa and flora, the latter two needing to be compatible with the human digestive system, not to mention liquid water easily accessible. Now you can do this in the Milky Way because you are awake but how do you do it with a sleeper ship. Presumably you're asleep. Not even Shepard was that good. I think we're best waiting to see what E3 brings before we start marching to Montreal with our pitch forks out.