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[TruthSerum]

You know how they could keep must or all the races? Staying in the Milky Way.

Otherwise it's unlikely more than three or four will be returning

 

 

I'm pretty confident that  all of the major races will be returning. That's what arks are for after all. 

[The Arbiter]

No, they did not want it to be called Mass Effect 4. It was the "4" they objected to because they were concerned the "4" would lead people to believe the next game was some kind of  direct sequel to ME3.

So basically it's a RESTART OR REBOOT THEN? see we are going around in circles again... I had a discussion and some threads about this before. They want to make a "NEW MASS EFFECT GAME" which won't "be a Sequel" but would still be "Familiar to us" similar to a "Sequel" Furthermore, wouldn't the ARK theory be considered as a Sequel which is the complete opposite of what Bioware wants?

[ElitePinecone]

As he pointed out its going to be hard finding a habitable planet that has all the necessary things to sustain life and that's not taking into account all the different species. 

 

Yes, that's why it might be the entire plot of the next game.

[Drone223]

Yes, that's why it might be the entire plot of the next game.

Its going to be harder than it already is, the bigger issue however occurs when they find a hostile space fairing species. They aren't going to have the means to properly defend themselves. The limited supplies/resources are going to put everyone one on the ark(or colony) at a huge disadvantage and should they be discovered then said hostile species can just bomb their colony/ark since there will be no one to help the settlers.

[Nitrocuban]

Making more friends than enemies might help in this situation.

Pretty cool setting for the next game imho.

[Drone223]

Making more friends than enemies might help in this situation.

Can't really afford to have the first encounter be with a hostile species specially with so few numbers and most likely being at a huge technological disadvantage.

 

Pretty cool setting for the next game imho.

 

Something similar can easily be done without leaving the galaxy in fact, in fact there is no need to leave at the galaxy at all since 99% of it is unexplored.

[The Elder King]

About races, krogans Almost surely in regardless of the setting. Other the appearing at e3 last year, they hinted at their presence on Twitter in a presentation.
Plus, since the change of galaxy is basse on the leak, a krogan was mentioned.

[Nohvarr]

Leaving the galaxy is also invalidating plaers chocies since all the effort put into saving it is made meaningless and it doesn't matain continuity since a lot of the setting is going to thrown away for good leaving nothing but wasted potential. The trilogy also wasn't going to be the end all be all state of the galaxy since it only about Shepard and the reapers and that story is finished so many more can still be told in the same galaxy.

Round and round the argument goes where it stops....

 

Your choices and history are not invalidated by a change of address. All the things I experience when in Germany were not invalidated upon my return to the states. Those events are a part of the things that define who I am. The events that occurred in the Milky Way lead to Andromeda. The swath of destruction the Reapers left convinced some people to take a chance on the unknown, and will likely play a part in how they react to challenges in a new land. Players will do the same thing, using their time in the Milky Way as a guide post in their dealings with Andromeda.

 

And I don't know how you can claim the trilogy wasn't going to be the end when dev comments, and interviews say exactly the opposite.

 

Let's drop the claims that lore is being violated, since we don't actually know the means by which the trip to Andromeda is occurring. If it's revealed that the Protheans (or at least a faction of them) during the end of the last cycle enacted a Plan to escape the Reapers by sending an Ark ship to Andromeda with enough materials to build a relay (which we know they can do) and enough power to keep people in stasis until their arrival, things become a lot more plausible. The Protheans could've kept a viable population in stasis for a few hundred years on a planet, ready to leap through the connecting relay they'd secretly built in the Milky Way and rebuild beyond the sight of the Reapers. However something went wrong and the population died in stasis before the second relay found a suitable area to be constructed. The build team comes back through the gate to find their people dead and the Reapers about to leave. They lay low, and, with too few numbers to rebuild, set about leaving what hints they can of this relay's existence. Fast forward towards the end of Shepard's cycle and someone stumbles across these clues and tracks his relay down. The Council quietly begins sending refugees through to these new worlds the Prothean's found and left to those who would come next. It's mostly civies with some military forces mixed in but since the bulk of the military is prepping for the assault on the Citadel, not as much can be spared. Still the factors of production are sent through along with a lot of useful tech. Then the Reapers realize something is up and come looking. Rather than risk this new home, the Council orders the Milky Way relay destroyed, preventing the Reapers from following through....or even knowing where in the universe they've escaped too. Even so, a LOT of refugees made it through the relay with more than enough gear and equipment to maintain their tech level and expand.

[Heimdall]

There are only a few races I could see them leaving behind:

 

• Drell (Maybe, maybe not, but there weren't that many of them to start with, so I could see them getting left behind.  If the hanar are there, good chance they are too though)
• Batarians (Isolationists and almost wiped out by the Reapers, never been hugely popular in the fanbase)
• Vorcha(Very minor as a species in the franchise, but apparently very skilled workers if trained properly (They actually develop more finely tuned nerve endings in response to delicate work), so I could see them coming on)
• Quarians (Migrant Fleet Quarians definitely not, but I could see a population of exiles get recruited for their technical expertise)
• Geth (Second most likely candidate to be gone, possibly replaced by a new AI.  Their storyline is pretty much played out... Although...  If the exiled Quarians have geth living among them and that's why they're exiled... could be interesting, avoids the Rannoc question altogether.
• Rachni (Almost certainly not going to appear)

[The Arbiter]

Round and round the argument goes where it stops....

. All the things I experience when in Germany were not invalidatedupon my return to the states.

 

Except in our generation you did not evacuate Germany due to the Soviets invading it and dividing it in which the real outcome is unknown until 44 years later. Assuming arguendo you lived during the end of World War II and fled your country due to the USSR rofl stomping everyone the true outcome of your country will still be unknown because it can go in multiple ways - Complete annihilation and death of the government replaced by a soviet communist government - division of the country due to the Allies intervening or complete domination by the USSR either-way you fled for your life without knowing the outcome of your country same goes for the ark. By evacuating to the U.S., all you did in Germany are now rendered useless as well as your political and economic rights demolished.

[Heimdall]

Except in our generation you did not evacuate Germany due to the Soviets invading it and dividing it in which the real outcome is unknown until 44 years laetr.

And why would that invalidate it?

[The Arbiter]

And why would that invalidate it?

Change of government, change of state power all of your past actions in Germany are now either abolished by the Soviet Union or absorbed into the new system. Every tax, transactions, every property you own all gone in one poof. Same goes to Mass Effect Next by moving away from the Milky Way like what the above poster have stated the past choices no longer matters because the ultimate goal now is replaced with survival just like evacuation... instead of staying and dying for your country you chose to fled rendering all your efforts in the past useless. But one can argue this is no longer about SHEPARD this is about "Civilians" well okay what about the actions of the Milky Way military forces? - Unknown... then one will argue about the extended cut to allegedly bring closure but then again... what's the real outcome? Unknown why? because artistic integrity. Basically we are sent to Andromeda not knowing the outcome of the Milkyway and avoiding it indefinitely which is stuck in a time loop because artistic integrity... unless if Bioware is planning for a Restart.

[Heimdall]

Change of government, change of state power all of your past actions in Germany are now either abolished by the Soviet Union or absorbed into the new system. Every tax, transactions, every property you own all gone in one poof. Same goes to Mass Effect Next by moving away from the Milky Way like what the above poster have stated the past choices no longer matters because the ultimate goal now is replaced with survival just like evacuation... instead of staying and dying for your country you chose to fled rendering all your efforts in the past useless. But one can argue this is no longer about SHEPARD this is about "Civilians" well okay what about the actions of the Milky Way military forces? - Unknown... then one will argue about the extended cut to allegedly bring closure but then again... what's the real outcome? Unknown why? because artistic integrity. Basically we are sent to Andromeda not knowing the outcome of the Milkyway and avoiding it indefinitely which is stuck in a time loop because artistic integrity... unless if Bioware is planning for a Restart.

Yeah, none of those things invalidate what happened.  just because you don't know what happened after doesn't mean none of it ever happened.  To say it does is ridiculous, unless you wipe your memory.

[Vazgen]

Heimdall is correct, change of setting does not invalidate the events of the trilogy. It does lower their impact though. 

[The Arbiter]

Yeah, none of those things invalidate what happened.  just because you don't know what happened after doesn't mean none of it ever happened.  To say it does is ridiculous, unless you wipe your memory.

In our perspective yes it does. Mass Effect 1 2 and 3 puts us into the boots of a N7 soldier trying to save the Galaxy from impending doom only to be shoved off by some N7 wannabees evacuating a bunch of cowards in which our "Player choices" is forever lost because the plot or focus has now change so how does it invalidate our past actions? do you see the fruits of our outcome? all I got was a 3 minute slideshow which does not even bring a single closure... like what you have stated memory wipe, forget about it. Was it unsatisfactory yes, does a change of setting invalidates our actions? impliedly and indirectly yes because there is no closure and no point of saving the milky-way if we are just going to Andromeda. Unless Restart. Also if you transacted with the Government of Germany for example in buying a parcel of land that transaction will be terminated immediately since communism does not allow private appropriations of public lands like I've said your past actions is invalidated.

[Heimdall]

In our perspective yes it does. Mass Effect 1 2 and 3 puts us into the boots of a N7 soldier trying to save the Galaxy from impending doom only to be shoved off by some N7 wannabees evacuating a bunch of cowards in which our "Player choices" is forever lost because the plot or focus has now change so how does it invalidate our past actions? do you see the fruits of our outcome? all I got was a 3 minute slideshow which does not even bring a single closure... like what you have stated memory wipe, forget about it. Was it unsatisfactory yes, does a change of setting invalidates our actions? impliedly and indirectly yes because there is no closure and no point of saving the milky-way if we are just going to Andromeda. Unless Restart. Also if you transacted with the Government of Germany for example in buying a parcel of land that transaction will be terminated immediately since communism does not allow private appropriations of public lands like I've said your past actions is invalidated.

In your perspective maybe.  I don't need to see "the fruits of our outcome" to know it happened.  I played Shepard, i made character defining choices, I made galaxy defining choices and now Shepard's story is done, the galaxy was saved (Or not), and it will remain that way whether I see it or not.  Just because you didn't get whatever arbitrary personal standard of closure you were looking for doesn't mean it didn't happen or there was no point.

 

If you want a redo of Mass Effect 3's ending because you didn't like it, just say so, don't dress it up as "Player choice LOST FOREVER HURHUR", because repeating yourself won't change the facts.  Moving on doesn't invalidate the past.

[Torgette]

Heimdall is correct, change of setting does not invalidate the events of the trilogy. It does lower their impact though. 

 

The only thing that would lower their impact is if Andromeda becomes clearly superior to the Milky Way as far as being a home to the council races. If the reapers did travel to Andromeda, that would actually increase the impact as well (albeit they would have to come up with a reason why post-reaper milky way can't travel as well).

[The Arbiter]

In your perspective maybe.  I don't need to see "the fruits of our outcome" to know it happened.  I played Shepard, i made character defining choices, I made galaxy defining choices and now Shepard's story is done, the galaxy was saved (Or not), and it will remain that way whether I see it or not.  Just because you didn't get whatever arbitrary personal standard of closure you were looking for doesn't mean it didn't happen or there was no point.

 

If you want a redo of Mass Effect 3's ending because you didn't like it, just say so, don't dress it up as "Player choice LOST FOREVER HURHUR", because repeating yourself won't change the facts.  Moving on doesn't invalidate the past.

I won't have a problem if they rename the next game as a sidequel or a spin off because that does not invalidate the choices of Mass Effect 3. But to brand the new game as a sequel is just... questionable because there is no continuity of the main story-line nor expansion of it... it basically exists solely because of the reaper war yet gives us "a different point of view or perspective" of these evacuees leaving the galaxy in which the plot and storyline now veers away from the main plot-line in which it is a huge smoke screen attempting to distract players in thinking that it is expanding the previous game wherein fact it isn't. The events of 1 2 and 3 did happen but the questionable part is 3 because WHICH ONE?  It's basically giving players a different perspective and as what you have stated above SHEPARD'S story is done so how the hell do you call this next game as a sequel? Calling it a sequel basically invalidates our choices of saving the Milkyway because we don't GET TO SEE THE OUTCOME did it happen? I don't know, why? because there is no proof no evidence that it happened because we are going to Andromeda why would you read a novel that does not acknowledge past events or build up on these events?

 

HALF LIFE - Black Mesa incident Gordon attempts to escape

Half - life opposing force - Soldier named Shepard [no pun intended] DIFFERENT POV of Black Mesa Incident attempts to capture freeman does not affect main story-line Shepard still survives in HL2

Half-Life Blue Shift - Different POV security guard named Barney attempts to escape Black Mesa no direct impact to main story-line, Meets Freeman in HL2

 

MASS EFFECT 1 - 2- 3 - Save the Milky-way Shepard protagonist  Status of Milkyway - Unknown

MASS EFFECT NEXT - Protagonist Not Shepard, Story or plot dependent on 3 but moves away from it giving a different point of view SEQUEL? what's our past actions? Unknown... Did our past actions happen? Unknown.

 

Does it invalidate our past actions? - it depends on Bioware. If they intend to end Shepard with 3 along with its own respective lore including the reapers our Past actions is not invalidated. If Bioware decides to hand waive the trilogy and call the next game as a Sequel based on the Ark... without a solid proof that our actions did happen or come into fruition... we can not solidly state that it happened or not nor if it was validated or not because there is no solid proof or evidence. All we get is a hand waive.

[Torgette]

I won't have a problem if they rename the next game as a sidequel or a spin off because that does not invalidate the choices of Mass Effect 3. But to brand the new game as a sequel is just... questionable because there is no continuity of the main story-line nor expansion of it... it basically exists solely because of the reaper war yet gives us "a different point of view or perspective" of these evacuees leaving the galaxy in which the plot and storyline now veers away from the main plot-line in which it is a huge smoke screen attempting to distract players in thinking that it is expanding the previous game wherein fact it isn't. The events of 1 2 and 3 did happen but the questionable part is 3 because WHICH ONE?  It's basically giving players a different perspective and as what you have stated above SHEPARD'S story is done so how the hell do you call this next game as a sequel? Calling it a sequel basically invalidates our choices of saving the Milkyway because we don't GET TO SEE THE OUTCOME did it happen? I don't know, why? because there is no proof no evidence that it happened because we are going to Andromeda why would you read a novel that does not acknowledge past events or build up on these events?

 

HALF LIFE - Black Mesa incident Gordon attempts to escape

Half - life opposing force - Soldier named Shepard [no pun intended] DIFFERENT POV of Black Mesa Incident attempts to capture freeman does not affect main story-line Shepard still survives in HL2

Half-Life Blue Shift - Different POV security guard named Barney attempts to escape Black Mesa no direct impact to main story-line, Meets Freeman in HL2

 

MASS EFFECT 1 - 2- 3 - Save the Milky-way Shepard protagonist  Status of Milkyway - Unknown

MASS EFFECT NEXT - Protagonist Not Shepard, Story or plot dependent on 3 but moves away from it giving a different point of view SEQUEL? what's our past actions? Unknown... Did our past actions happen? Unknown.

 

It's a sidequel in the same vein as the dragon age games being sequels but also largely having little to do with the previous stories other than being in the same world. The thing that connects those dragon age games is the lore and events, but not necessarily the stories themselves, the big difference being we're unlikely to see reoccurring characters like we did in Dragon Age.

[Vazgen]

The only thing that would lower their impact is if Andromeda becomes clearly superior to the Milky Way as far as being a home to the council races. If the reapers did travel to Andromeda, that would actually increase the impact as well (albeit they would have to come up with a reason why post-reaper milky way can't travel as well).

If the choice is never addressed, it's impact is lower. You can choose Control, Destroy, Synthesis but you won't see any difference in ME:Next. It has lower impact than setting the game in Milky Way and addressing each ending.

[The Arbiter]

It's a sidequel in the same vein as the dragon age games being sequels but also largely having little to do with the previous stories other than being in the same world. The thing that connects those dragon age games is the lore and events, but not necessarily the stories themselves, the big difference being we're unlikely to see reoccurring characters like we did in Dragon Age.

That's what it is supposed to be but what bothers me the most is that Bioware devs never wanted the next game to be labeled as a cheap knock off or a sidequel. The only way to achieve that is to totally Restart the franchise. No matter how many sugar-coating they do in the next game if it is still dependent on the main plot line of the past trilogy without addressing the past it will still be branded as a cash cow and a cheap knock off.

[Torgette]

That's what it is supposed to be but what bothers me the most is that Bioware devs never wanted the next game to be labeled as a cheap knock off or a sidequel. The only way to achieve that is to totally Restart the franchise. No matter how many sugar-coating they do in the next game if it is still dependent on the main plot line of the past trilogy without addressing the past it will still be branded as a cash cow and a cheap knock off.

 

If it's a good game it's a good game, I don't see why it being a sidequel without addressing the ending of 3 makes it a "cheap knockoff" or a cash cow.

[The Arbiter]

If it's a good game it's a good game, I don't see why it being a sidequel without addressing the ending of 3 makes it a "cheap knockoff" or a cash cow.

It's a case to case basis. Some gamers will buy the game for the story... unsatisfied, it will be branded as a cheap knockoff. Some gamers will buy it for action, or a good "scifi feel" in which Bioware and EA is clearly attempting to tap by introducing the franchise to new gamers through sheer marketing. Some gamers would just basically buy it for their Children and not care at all. But Bioware stating that they don't want it to be branded as a cheap knock off may refer to the first audience the fans. But of course these are all my opinion refer to the thread "what makes Mass Effect, Mass Effect to you" for further clarification