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[The Arbiter]

If any of your people had tried to flee, could they have? And if they could have, wouldn't it have been smart to?

In our culture, if a foreign invader enters your home we are obliged to defend our land to the death no exception. If your father or mother dies in combat [yes our women also fights] then you are obliged to carry his/her weapon in the next battle. If you try to flee you will be branded as a traitor immediately and is punishable by death unless if fleeing or retreating would be used for tactical purposes.

[Torgette]

Yep... with this kind of government crap is really going to start. Anyway right now our best chance in defending ourselves is diplomacy with Japan and U.S. but anyway we are moving away from the main topic now

Too bad there's no diplomacy with reapers, either total victory or total extinction.

[Torgette]

Ha! same with Communist china I can tell

Not really, they're still human, more like trying to be diplomatic with a tsunami or any act of nature.

[Torgette]

I won't brand them as human beings. Trust me we tried talking and being friends with them. You don't have the slightest idea who you are dealing with.

 

Speaking of, were the people of Japan cowards for running away from the tsunami?

[Zaalbar]

The created will always rebel against their creators.

 

Can we expect to see the same problem occurring in the Andromeda galaxy as well?

 

I'm kind of curious to see how a galaxy functions without the presence of Reapers to bring order to chaos.

Will Andromeda be dominated by a machine intelligence Or has the Organics of that galaxy somehow found a way to overcome the technological singularity problem that had plagued the MilkyWay.

 

Just food for thought.

[Iakus]

The created will always rebel against their creators.

 

Can we expect to see the same problem occurring in the Andromeda galaxy as well?

 

I'm kind of curious to see how a galaxy functions without the presence of Reapers to bring order to chaos.

Will Andromeda be dominated by a machine intelligence Or has the Organics of that galaxy somehow found a way to overcome the technological singularity problem that had plagued the MilkyWay.

 

Just food for thought.

Well, if the galaxy isn't overrun by synthetics or guys with green circuitry on their skin, it'll just show the endings they're trying so hard to run away from without actually changing were all so much BS anyway 

[InterrogationBear]

back to topic:

 

SAVE THE MILKYWAY

Spoiler

 

We can't live without it.

[AresKeith]

back to topic:

 

SAVE THE MILKYWAY

Spoiler

 

We can't live without it.

 

Snicker and Twix >>>

[von uber]

Snicker and Twix >>>

 

Snickers? Marathon, you heathen!

[prosthetic soul]

I've seen a lot of discussion and arguing over what Bioware should do with ME 4.  Should they canonize one of the endings?  Would it be better to simply shove all of it under the proverbial rug?  My answer?  Either way, the outcome is not going to be pretty.  So it does not matter.  The people saying people are going to be pissed off no matter what Bioware does are sadly correct.  And the reason for this is due to Bioware's disastrous recalcitrance in the face of the ME 3 ending backlash. 

 

Instead of changing the endings they merely polished a turd.  And here we are three years later with the endings still hanging over us like a dark cloud.  Bioware had an opportunity to change things to their favor but instead they dug their feet into the dirt, held their ground, shouted ARTISTIC INTEGRITY and now, no matter what path they choose, ME 4 is going to ****** off a large number of people.  I mean honestly, a whole new freaking galaxy? Let's not beat around the bush here.  It is so obvious what Bioware is doing that it's almost sad.  It's sweeping the crap under the rug.  And it's not good writing to boot.  It opens up a huge can of worms at the get-go astronomically speaking. 

 

I wish I could I could say "well, Bioware would be better off doing THIS for Mass Effect 4" or "Bioware would definitely be smart to do THAT if they don't want to alienate people."   But this is one dinner conversation that is inevitably going to get super awkward super fast if you catch my meaning.

[Sion1138]

I've seen a lot of discussion and arguing over what Bioware should do with ME 4.  Should they canonize one of the endings?  Would it be better to simply shove all of it under the proverbial rug?  My answer?  Either way, the outcome is not going to be pretty.  So it does not matter.  The people saying people are going to be pissed off no matter what Bioware does are sadly correct.  And the reason for this is due to Bioware's disastrous recalcitrance in the face of the ME 3 ending backlash. 

 

Oh, oh.

 

No more buttered scones for me mater, I'm off to play the grand piano.

[ZoliCs]

Instead of changing the endings they merely polished a turd.  And here we are three years later with the endings still hanging over us like a dark cloud.  Bioware had an opportunity to change things to their favor but instead they dug their feet into the dirt, held their ground, shouted ARTISTIC INTEGRITY and now, no matter what path they choose, ME 4 is going to ****** off a large number of people.  I mean honestly, a whole new freaking galaxy? Let's not beat around the bush here.  It is so obvious what Bioware is doing that it's almost sad.  It's sweeping the crap under the rug.  And it's not good writing to boot.  It opens up a huge can of worms at the get-go astronomically speaking. 

 

I'm sorry, but what the hell are you talking about?

 

First of all Bioware has no obligation to fix anything writing related, even if it would be the worst thing ever and everyone hates it. If you don't like sucks to be you. But it's actually not even like that. Most people don't hate the endings, even here on BSN. There was a thread recently about who hates the ending and they were less than half of those who like it, don't mind it or just a bit disappointed. And that's the BSN, the most critical place you can look. It's even more one sided in the whole fanbase.

I'm sure you are aware of the phrase "vocal minority".

 

And the other thing is that Mass Effect 3 was always meant to be the last game chronologically, so of course it's hard to set a game after it. It's an RPG after all, interactive storytelling can't go on forever. Fans demanded to have a sequel so they had to improvise.

[Sion1138]

I'm sorry, but what the hell are you talking about?

 

First of all Bioware has no obligation to fix anything writing related, even if it would be the worst thing ever and everyone hates it. If you don't like sucks to be you. But it's actually not even like that. Most people don't hate the endings, even here on BSN. There was a thread recently about who hates the ending and they were less than half of those who like it, don't mind it or just a bit disappointed. And that's the BSN, the most critical place you can look. It's even more one sided in the whole fanbase.

I'm sure you are aware of the phrase "vocal minority".

 

To be fair, that's not quite true.

 

It did seriously suck. Almost everyone one I spoke to about it back then pretty much hated it. Not just on the forum.

 

It doesn't matter anymore but that's what it was.

[The Arbiter]

I'm sorry, but what the hell are you talking about?

 

First of all Bioware has no obligation to fix anything writing related, even if it would be the worst thing ever and everyone hates it. If you don't like sucks to be you. But it's actually not even like that. Most people don't hate the endings, even here on BSN. There was a thread recently about who hates the ending and they were less than half of those who like it, don't mind it or just a bit disappointed. And that's the BSN, the most critical place you can look. It's even more one sided in the whole fanbase.

I'm sure you are aware of the phrase "vocal minority".

 

And the other thing is that Mass Effect 3 was always meant to be the last game chronologically, so of course it's hard to set a game after it. It's an RPG after all, interactive storytelling can't go on forever. Fans demanded to have a sequel so they had to improvise.

Well I don't know... there are other people out there in the G+ community along with my real friends who felt somewhat "betrayed" or ripped off by the ending... alot of them just moved on but still if they get reminded by it... it's like eating a Hamburger then realizing there was a cockroach in it then management gave you a new burger but still you remember the cockroach something like that.

[ZoliCs]

To be fair, that's not quite true.

 

It did seriously suck. Almost everyone one I spoke to about it back then pretty much hated it. Not just on the forum.

 

It doesn't matter anymore but that's what it was.

 

(Was that pre or post EC?)

 

And for me the opposite. Nobody I know outside BSN hated it, most liked it and some didn't mind.

[The Arbiter]

(Was that pre or post EC?)

 

And for me the opposite. Nobody I know outside BSN hated it, most liked it and some didn't mind.

In my case it was before EC or PRE EC... after the EC got released most of them still felt it was somewhat lacking but decided that it was no longer worth their time to ponder on. But the fact remains that alot of them felt betrayed or unsatisfied but you know what they say? Time heals right? let's just hope the next game won't go down the same shi*

[Sion1138]

(Was that pre or post EC?)

 

And for me the opposite. Nobody I know outside BSN hated it, most liked it and some didn't mind.

 

Didn't matter all that much.

 

And I knew back then that it wouldn't.

 

The gripes most people had with the ending, contrary to what they proclaimed, were more basic. if you know what I mean.

 

 

Well I don't know... there are other people out there in the G+ community along with my real friends who felt somewhat "betrayed" or ripped off by the ending... alot of them just moved on but still if they get reminded by it... it's like eating a Hamburger then realizing there was a cockroach in it then management gave you a new burger but still you remember the cockroach something like that.

 

Yeah, well, crude analogy but a good one. You'll be aversive to hamburgers for a long time after.

 

Anyway, let's not make this exclusively an ending thread. It'll get locked.

[Vazgen]

First impression means a lot. I played with EC already installed and had no problems with the ending In fact, I'm grateful for the whole Retake ME3 movement - seeing it made me wait on getting ME3 and I did it only after EC. 

[The Arbiter]

Didn't matter all that much.

 

And I knew back then that it wouldn't.

 

The gripes most people had with the ending, contrary to what they proclaimed, were more basic. if you know what I mean.

 

 

 

Yeah, well, crude analogy but a good one. You'll be aversive to hamburgers for a long time after.

 

Anyway, let's not make this exclusively an ending thread. It'll get locked.

agreed

[Sion1138]

First impression means a lot. I played with EC already installed and had no problems with the ending In fact, I'm grateful for the whole Retake ME3 movement -seeing it made me wait on getting ME3 and I did it only after EC. 

 

Yeah, I'll tell you one thing there. Apart from the logical and thematic problems, the thing was just too sad for some.

 

It was for me. I didn't want to leave the world feeling sad, yet especially after the extended version, it was so god damn sad that it just overpowered any positive emotions or impressions that were there.

 

It's all about 'emotion engineering' with these things. If you put too much emphasis on one, it'll drown out the others.

 

And this is the price you pay, as a developer, making games like these.

 

Hence, I wager, that Bioware won't do any more trilogies like Mass Effect. The next game is likely to be a much lighter experience, like Inquisition. A self-contained one-off experience, where even if they do another one after it, it will not feature the same protagonist or the same companions.

[Vazgen]

Yeah, I'll tell you one thing there. Apart from the logical and thematic problems, the thing was just too sad for some.

 

It was for me. I didn't want to leave the world feeling sad, yet especially after the extended version, it was so god damn sad that it just overpowered any positive emotions or impressions that were there.

 

It's all about 'emotion engineering' with these things. If you put too much emphasis on one, it'll drown out the others.

I think it would've felt sad regardless of the ending. Their multiple claims of ME3 being the end of the journey took care of that. ME3 was the end of Shepard, Garrus, Tali, Wrex etc. - all the characters we connected with through the course of three games and years of playing. Finishing their stories was bound to be sad. 

[Torgette]

Gentlemen, please.

 

Stop that.

 

Not a problem! 

 

 

To be fair, that's not quite true.

 

It did seriously suck. Almost everyone one I spoke to about it back then pretty much hated it. Not just on the forum.

 

It doesn't matter anymore but that's what it was.

 

I was completely unaware of the outrage at the time because I was neck-deep in a new job and hadn't planned on getting the game anyways. My only opinion about the ending came from a best friend who had completed the game, they were pretty bummed about the ending but still loved the game and recommended it. I only learned of the internet outrage because giantbomb talked about it.

[Sion1138]

No emotionally healthy person ever feels *betrayed* by a video game. Your examples are anecdotal and don't serve as proof of anything.

 

That is very rude and unnecessary.

 

"Betrayal" is a word commonly used in this context. People say "That movie was a betrayal."

 

It doesn't carry it's full meaning. It's just a way to communicate that you feel something was a letdown or a jarring break from perceived established norms.

[Iakus]

Regardless of how one feels about the endings, relocating to another galaxy would essentially be creating a new IP using a few cannibalized parts of Mass Effect.

 

not that I'd mind a new science fiction rpg series.  But it would be disingenuous to call it "Mass Effect"