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[themikefest]

Well, they made novels and comic books with lore and stories too, and a lot of people don't read those either.

That's right. I'm one of those people that never read the comics and novels.

[FlyingSquirrel]

But then other people keep repeating that the Ark Theory = a new IP, that's just ridiculous. I could say the same about Mass Effect 2, because it doesn't have a Mako. Same arbitrary line some of them are drawing.

 

I agree that the Ark Theory does not constitute a new IP. I guess I'm wondering why *not* create a new IP instead of taking existing alien races from ME and making all the context and background mostly irrelevant, which is what Ark Theory would seem to do. Maybe the krogan colonists are still afflicted with the genophage, but otherwise, all the cultural and political issues from the galactic civilization that we came to know in ME1-3 are unlikely to be relevant any more aside from possible rehashes of them in new storylines.

 

If we're going to see human colonists come into conflict with established alien races, for example, I'd rather see it in a prequel where they're clashing with batarians in the Traverse and trying to build a stable relationship with the turians after the FCW than see basically the same thing with new aliens in a new galaxy.

[Torgette]

That's right. I'm one of those people that never read the comics and novels.

 

Same, but regardless I called it a "grand compromise" for a reason, especially if we move forward to Andromeda which would make anything in the milky way more of a side story going forward.

[themikefest]

Same, but regardless I called it a "grand compromise" for a reason, especially if we move forward to Andromeda which would make anything in the milky way more of a side story going forward.

Why not make it the other way around? Have another galaxy be a side  story. Or have the multiplayer in another galaxy. 

[Torgette]

Why not make it the other way around? Have another galaxy be a side  story. Or have the multiplayer in another galaxy. 

 

Well it wouldn't make much sense to have the multiplayer in another galaxy if you haven't traveled there first, no? Technically going to Andromeda is a side story, just told on a grand scale. Besides that I think going to Andromeda sounds exciting, regardless of the circumstances.

[7twozero]

Clearly I'm unreasonable

Finally, something we can all agree on!

[themikefest]

Well it wouldn't make much sense to have the multiplayer in another galaxy if you haven't traveled there first, no?

It wouldn't make sense having the multiplayer in the Milky Way if they don't include the new species, right? If they do, how would you explain having that new species in the Milky Way if that species only exists in another galaxy?
 

Technically going to Andromeda is a side story, just told on a grand scale.

Is it a side story?
 

Besides that I think going to Andromeda sounds exciting, regardless of the circumstances.

Exciting or not, I don't agree with going to another galaxy. I like to see how the Milky Way rebuilds itself and what becomes of all the species

[Drone223]

 

Exciting or not, I don't agree with going to another galaxy. I like to see how the Milky Way rebuilds itself and what becomes of all the species.

Yeah, leaving the whole galaxy forever and never returning is only going to result in wasted potential.

[Sion1138]

 

Exciting or not, I don't agree with going to another galaxy. I like to see how the Milky Way rebuilds itself and what becomes of all the species

 

Everybody's running from continuity like it's the devil.

 

Reboots here, remakes there, prequels and whatever else... It's the spirit of the times.

 

They don't see the value in it, but there's tremendous value. Especially for something like Mass Effect.

[saladinbob]

Exciting or not, I don't agree with going to another galaxy. I like to see how the Milky Way rebuilds itself and what becomes of all the species

 

This for me goes to the heart of why I think so many find it an unpopular move. Even if, for some bizarre reason, you wanted to get rid of an extremely popular and successful protagonist, why does it have to be set in the future and another galaxy? You can still start a fresh story with new faces whilst showing a galaxy in shock at events and struggling to rebuild. That, of course though, would need ME3's endings redeveloped in to something at least approaching good writing because each of them have their own problems. Love, loathe or be completely indifferent about those endings, Bioware simply created problems for themselves for further writing in the same time frame and have simply taken the easy option without addressing the underlying weakness of the trilogy - the great, glaring plot holes.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It would seem that they're sort of treating the difference between galaxies the same way as the difference between countries.

 

It's a bit silly.

 

That's where sci-fi goes off the deep end.

Yeah, going to another galaxy is like Dragon Age going to another continent that has no connection to Thedas except at best a messenger hawk relaying basic information about what's happening there. 

[Ahriman]

 

Exciting or not, I don't agree with going to another galaxy. I like to see how the Milky Way rebuilds itself and what becomes of all the species

Please elaborate, which Milky Way you would like to see? Green, red or blue? Because having/not having God Emperor Shepard would result in a bit different Milky Way.

[Helios969]

Please elaborate, which Milky Way you would like to see? Green, red or blue? Because having/not having God Emperor Shepard would result in a bit different Milky Way.

Assuming the leak is gospel, that's exactly why you go to another galaxy.  This is all about buying time.  Anything they do now inside the Milky Way is going to upset a segment of fans off.  In a way I'm glad because I'd be afraid carrying over the "radically different" ends would result in a watered down experience moving forward.  If ME: Next flops they will have to decide whether rebooting Shepard or canonizing one of the endings is the better path forward.  If it's wildly successful, then people will move on with "old timers" looking back nostalgically on what might have been.  I'm less concerned about locale as in Bioware's ability to get the existing fanbase to buy into a non-Shepard protagonist.

 

Haneko:  Actually, I'd be down with going to an entirely new continent in the DA-verse...exploring the DA equivalent of China and India and Japan.  Let Admiral "Big Hat" be our tour guide;)

[themikefest]

Please elaborate, which Milky Way you would like to see? Green, red or blue? Because having/not having God Emperor Shepard would result in a bit different Milky Way.

Since I don't care about the green stuff and the blue whatever, it would be red. The writers can also change the ending having the crucible fires its space stuff when the arms to the citadel are fully extended that changes the programming of the reapers that causes them to leave the Milky Way never to be seen again. Remember the guy tells the kid that the details have changed over time, so the writers can write whatever to keep the next game in the Milky Way.

[The Elder King]

Since I don't care about the green crap and the blue whatever, it would be red. The writers can also change the ending having the crucible fires its space crap when the arms to the citadel are fully extended that changes the programming of the reapers that causes them to leave the Milky Way never to be seen again. Remember the guy tells the kid that the details have changed over time, so the writers can write whatever to keep the next game in the Milky Way.

They can. The fact/problem (depending to Who you ask) is that they probably don't want to.

[Ahriman]

Since I don't care about the green stuff and the blue whatever, it would be red. The writers can also change the ending having the crucible fires its space stuff when the arms to the citadel are fully extended that changes the programming of the reapers that causes them to leave the Milky Way never to be seen again. Remember the guy tells the kid that the details have changed over time, so the writers can write whatever to keep the next game in the Milky Way.

And we would be having hundred pages long SAVE OUR CHOICES threads.Since we get large groups of people pissed either way I trust writers to choose any option they see fit. Heck, the only proof of Andromeda so far are those questionable leaks.

[themikefest]

And we would be having hundred pages long SAVE OUR CHOICES threads.Since we get large groups of people pissed either way I trust writers to choose any option they see fit. Heck, the only proof of Andromeda so far are those questionable leaks.

Yeah, About that choice thing. I only agree if the choices actually matter. 

 

I've said before, but I will use this as an example. Did you know that if Garrus isn't recruited in ME1, he and Kirrahe some how will recognize each other on Sur'Kesh? How is that possible? It may be a small choice, but its still a choice. Can I say my choices don't matter? 

[Iakus]

Yeah, About that choice thing. I only agree if the choices actually matter. 

 

I've said before, but I will use this as an example. Did you know that if Garrus isn't recruited in ME1, he and Kirrahe some how will recognize each other? How is that possible? It may be a small choice, but its still a choice. Can i say my choices don't matter? 

Heck "Councilor Udina" is an even bigger one.  They even had that question at the start of ME2 to make sure that flag triggered.

 

Utterly meaningless in ME3.

 

SO yeah, I don' t buy "making choices matter" for an instant.  If it did matter, we would have gotten a very different ME3

[themikefest]

Heck "Councilor Udina" is an even bigger one.  They even had that question at the start of ME2 to make sure that flag triggered.

 

Utterly meaningless in ME3.

 

SO yeah, I don' t buy "making choices matter" for an instant.  If it did matter, we would have gotten a very different ME3

That's because ME3, being the third game of a trilogy, is the best place to start playing a trilogy.  

[FlyingSquirrel]

Assuming the leak is gospel, that's exactly why you go to another galaxy.  This is all about buying time.  Anything they do now inside the Milky Way is going to upset a segment of fans off.  In a way I'm glad because I'd be afraid carrying over the "radically different" ends would result in a watered down experience moving forward.  If ME: Next flops they will have to decide whether rebooting Shepard or canonizing one of the endings is the better path forward.  If it's wildly successful, then people will move on with "old timers" looking back nostalgically on what might have been.  I'm less concerned about locale as in Bioware's ability to get the existing fanbase to buy into a non-Shepard protagonist.

 

If they can't, then I'd prefer to see them just create a new science fiction IP or do ME prequels rather than trying to contrive a way to bring Shepard back again, which would mean either canonizing Destroy or retconning Control and Synthesis.

 

I actually think that an Ark to Andromeda series, if that is in fact what we're about to get, *could* be really good. It's a major left turn for the franchise, but in theory, the idea of humans and other ME races being the newcomers, getting to know new alien races, and becoming involved in their societies and/or helping to build new societies has plenty of potential. I still think Mass Effect's version of the Milky Way has plenty of potential, so I'm somewhat disappointed to see it apparently pushed aside, but I also seem to be in the minority in preferring prequels or sidequels if we're going to have more games set there. 

 

My main concern from reading the leak is that it sounds a bit like Inquisition in Space. Not every game with meaningful choices has to take 80 hours to finish, and they certainly don't need huge open worlds if there are only ever a few things to actually *do* in those worlds. Two reasons I haven't attempted a second playthrough of DAI right now is the huge amount of time it would take and the considerable portion of that time that I'd be spending on "kill X number of bad guys" or "find some random object" sidequests.

[ZoliCs]

My main concern from reading the leak is that it sounds a bit like Inquisition in Space. Not every game with meaningful choices has to take 80 hours to finish

lel, DAI main story was like 20 hours.

[Vazgen]

First time I see someone saying that game being lengthy is something negative. 

[Torgette]

If they can't, then I'd prefer to see them just create a new science fiction IP or do ME prequels rather than trying to contrive a way to bring Shepard back again, which would mean either canonizing Destroy or retconning Control and Synthesis.

 

I actually think that an Ark to Andromeda series, if that is in fact what we're about to get, *could* be really good. It's a major left turn for the franchise, but in theory, the idea of humans and other ME races being the newcomers, getting to know new alien races, and becoming involved in their societies and/or helping to build new societies has plenty of potential. I still think Mass Effect's version of the Milky Way has plenty of potential, so I'm somewhat disappointed to see it apparently pushed aside, but I also seem to be in the minority in preferring prequels or sidequels if we're going to have more games set there. 

 

My main concern from reading the leak is that it sounds a bit like Inquisition in Space. Not every game with meaningful choices has to take 80 hours to finish, and they certainly don't need huge open worlds if there are only ever a few things to actually *do* in those worlds. Two reasons I haven't attempted a second playthrough of DAI right now is the huge amount of time it would take and the considerable portion of that time that I'd be spending on "kill X number of bad guys" or "find some random object" sidequests.

 

It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation so taking the simplest approach I just want them to craft a great game regardless of where they go.

 

As for length, I had issues with DAI on my first playthrough because you don't really know what's essential and what's extra - especially with the side characters having fetch quests or power being required to do main missions it really pushes you down a false impression that everything is essential. On my second playthrough I was able to do exactly what I wanted - when I wanted - and have a much better experience with the game; when i'm done with my 2nd playthrough i'll be able to go back and tackle stuff like dragons if I want rather than forcing myself to do that stuff before finishing the main story. I think so long as ME:N doesn't abuse the side stuff and keeps good pacing then i'm not worried about it, in some ways you could also ruin the pacing of all 3 Mass Effect games with side stuff as well even if it wasn't in a fetch-questy form.

[FlyingSquirrel]

First time I see someone saying that game being lengthy is something negative. 

 

Well, it can be if you have limited time for games and you still want to see how different decisions and paths turn out. That's all I meant.

[Vazgen]

Well, it can be if you have limited time for games and you still want to see how different decisions and paths turn out. That's all I meant.

Isn't it more rewarding if you spend more time on those paths and have more such decisions? Assuming meaningful activity, of course, not filler content.