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[Hanako Ikezawa]

It's still a lot of Work To do.

Less work than doing a Post-Reaper War Milky Way would require. Thus they took the option that required less work. 

 

 

Lol, splitting hairs much? 

 

The leak did say "Explore 100s of solar systems (over 4x size of Mass Effect 3)"

Them saying "100s of solar systems" is one reason I hold out hope that the leak is fake. There is only one solar system, and that is the stellar system that has the stat named Sol aka our Sun. Bioware knows this and has never slipped up on this. They would have used star systems or stellar systems in this survey. 

[The Elder King]

And how long until Andromeda is no longer a viable setting?  Do we move again?

Or they might decide to end the franchise.

[wright1978]

And how long until Andromeda is no longer a viable setting?  Do we move again?

Or they manage it better and preferably don't let the leads burn the setting to the ground on a whim this time.

[The Elder King]

Less work than doing a Post-Reaper War Milky War would require. Thus they took the option that required less work. 
 
 

Them saying "100s of solar systems" is one reason I hold out hope that the leak is fake. There is only one solar system, and that is the stellar system that has the stat named Sol aka our Sun. Bioware knows this and has never slipped up on this. They would have used star systems or stellar systems in this survey.

I never argued moving the setting was the choice that required most work though. I argued it isn't lazy.

That's an interesting point.

[goishen]

Well, I'll say this.  

 

If it was a troll, it was an extremely resourceful one.  Either that or extremely lucky.  It either knew that we were all bored -- or it got extremely bored and decided to throw that info packet together.

 

Myself?  I don't think that it was a troll.  But that may be just me.

[GalacticWolf5]

And how long until Andromeda is no longer a viable setting? Do we move again?

You sure love to dramatize everything, don't you?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I never argued moving the setting was the choice that required most work though. I argued it isn't lazy.

That's an interesting point.

And all I said was they didn't have to write for the entire Andromeda galaxy and what they do have to write takes less effort. 

 

I know, right? Bioware has strived to be as scientifically accurate as possible, so them making such an elementary mistake sets off alarm bells. 

[PCThug]

It makes more sense if someone from EA's marketing department wrote it, which is likely (if it's not from a troll).

[The Elder King]

I know, right? Bioware has strived to be as scientifically accurate as possible, so them making such an elementary mistake sets off alarm bells.

Indeed, it Seems very strange.
Sadly, since E3 is near I doubt we'll Know more (One way or another) before the event. I hope to be wrong though.

[JeffZero]

What other things has he been right about before?  I'm willing to suspend some of my skepticism, but I'd like to see some evidence if you have it handy.  

 

I don't have anything handy as I'm on my phone at the moment. I'll try to remember to go digging around for you later. What I can tell you in brief is that shinobi has time and again proven to the fairly-critical community of NeoGAF that he has connections with several prominent studios. He could very well be working for one of them. GAF is not a place where Cults of Personality are born without just cause. It's gotten to the point that news articles have hit major gaming sites not because a developer has said something firsthand but because shinobi has simply insinuated it. 

 

GAF has a track record of plenty of industry insiders on its forums; that's probably what it's known for the best. Some of them post in an official capacity, some of them do not. Some of them aren't necessarily even employees of studios but instead really close somehow to someone who is one. That's GAF; shinobi is a huge example of it, regardless of being unverified.

[Pasquale1234]

Yet, it seems like some folks are ready to believe unsubstantiated claims for one reason: It proves they were right all along.  Whether it be because it's their greatest fear or their fondest hope, it's time to throw all disbelief out of the window.  All mediums suffer from this, but I think video games are the worst.

Or it might be because the unsubstantiated claims seem like the most plausible option.

While I personally have no opinion wrt the veracity of the 'leak', it does address a lot of the things the developers have already said about ME:Next - mako exploration, nothing canonized, etc.

[Heimdall]

I know, right? Bioware has strived to be as scientifically accurate as possible, so them making such an elementary mistake sets off alarm bells.

Bear in mind that, if real, the language of this survey I'm guessing would have been written by someone in marketing not the writers of the game. A slip up like this probably could have gotten by accidently.

[cap and gown]

Them saying "100s of solar systems" is one reason I hold out hope that the leak is fake. There is only one solar system, and that is the stellar system that has the stat named Sol aka our Sun. Bioware knows this and has never slipped up on this. They would have used star systems or stellar systems in this survey. 

 

BW does NOT know this. Go read planet descriptions in any of the games, particularly ME2. They talk about "solar systems" all the time. (which makes me cringe) Heck, something like 80% of the gas giants are "extra-solar" captures.

[JeffZero]

Reading the content, it's incredibly clear to me this was written by a member of marketing. There is an Awesome Button in every sentence.

[Grieving Natashina]

I don't have anything handy as I'm on my phone at the moment. I'll try to remember to go digging around for you later. What I can tell you in brief is that shinobi has time and again proven to the fairly-critical community of NeoGAF that he has connections with several prominent studios. He could very well be working for one of them. GAF is not a place where Cults of Personality are born without just cause. It's gotten to the point that news articles have hit major gaming sites not because a developer has said something firsthand but because shinobi has simply insinuated it. 

 

GAF has a track record of plenty of industry insiders on its forums; that's probably what it's known for the best. Some of them post in an official capacity, some of them do not. Some of them aren't necessarily even employees of studios but instead really close somehow to someone who is one. That's GAF; shinobi is a huge example of it, regardless of being unverified.

I look forward to seeing the links.  

 

See, what I've noticed is that GAF isn't infallible.  I follow gaming sites and I have never heard of Shinobi or any of those people before this weekend.   What I did notice was this.    

 

http://www.giantbomb...-rumor-1457000/

http://realgamernewz...c-with-less-ram

http://www.cinemable...-Out-60342.html

http://playeressence...a-is-100-false/

http://segabits.com/...-playstation-4/

 

This was all as of last year.  Shinobi may have not been the one posting the topics in the links, but this is what I think when someone tells me that NeoGAF doesn't encourage rumors.

[JeffZero]

NeoGAF absolutely encourages rumors, but context is crucial here. With a single exception (GiantBomb) not one of those websites is particularly... good at what it does. That aside, almost all those links involve a user on NeoGAF reporting another website's rumors, because that's sort of a big thing for GAF, is up-to-the-minute information on the latest in the industry. This stuff, true or false, gains fast traction and is soon reported on other websites (with credit to NeoGAF users who are very good at catching various things either way) because their keen eyes and genuine industry insiders have broken the news on stuff in the past.

 

Here's a handful of those times when people we know are in the know have handily expressed their having known things which have later become known:

 

http://www.gamefaqs....asy-xv/69340727

 

Kagari and shinobi602 prepping fans of Final Fantasy XV months in advance for its absence at E3. This was well over a year ago; note one of the first posts, in which a user expresses how shinobi602 has already proven reliable multiple times in the past. He and Kagari have a very splendid track record dating as far back as 2011-2012.

 

As per NeoGAF's rules, users who make claims concerning the content of upcoming games are banned if those claims prove false. This is an important note in general.

 

Here's a fun one:

 

https://www.gizorama...delayed-to-2015

 

shinobi602 has let many cats out of assorted bags over his years on NeoGAF, including mentioning the release date for The Order would be pushed all the way back to this past February a while before Sony wanted it known. Whoops.

 

http://www.gamenguid...soft-rumors.htm

 

Four-player co-op! Say it ain't so, shinobi602! Well, turns out... it's so. E3 last year indeed brought to light Unity's big blitz into a massive co-op standard style of play, with two demos showcasing separate aspects of the title, just as he claimed. 

 

Now's a nice time to break for a moment and mention that shinobi602 was pretty much the first person around to confirm that NME's presence at last year's E3 would be sparse and we can't expect the game until 2016. So far it seems like maybe he just has E3 2014 ties. A fair assessment based on what I've said, but I'd like to reiterate, his consistency was well-documented well before E3 2014. People knew he knew things worth knowing long before this slew, and that's why websites bothered posting the things he knew were worth knowing -- because they knew what he knew, and that's big. Know what I mean? Well, here, I'll show you:

 

http://www.noobfeed...._infos/view/784

 

Thanks for the God of War 4 catch back in 2011, shinobi602. Granted it wound up with a subtitle, but "4" was how it was stylized in early development, so... yeah.

 

As I continue to scour the net, I've found a handy post documenting some of shinobi602's previously-correct predictions. Here's a link:

 

https://forums.gears...inobi602/page10

 

Here's the scoop:

 

 

 

- Setting/Theme of Battlefield Hardline
- Quantum Break delay
- ACU narrative 4-player co-op
- GTA V next-gen port release
- ME4 not being a prequel
- Halo 5 title and information drop (May 16th)
- Confirmed Halo: Master Chief Collection rumour
- The Walking Dead game on next-gen

 

Honestly, at this point I feel I've provided enough! He has a lot more history than what I've stated, as does Kagari. Probably Verandus, too, and several other noteworthy individuals. It is a matter of misinformation that NeoGAF has developed a tendency by clickbait websites to be spoken about in the negative; that clickbait-y mentality stems from a desire to sow seeds of doubt when there's a track record of a particular few posters on the site proving good on their word. People associate NeoGAF with having the occasional ability to correctly illustrate the future of the industry, and so there's a mixture here of bad intent on the parts of journalists and troll posters alike. It's not a complicated subject, but it's one that takes a while to really see in fullness.

[wolfhowwl]

I'm pretty sure that GiantBomb link is referring to the Xbox One "resolutiongate," in which case the leaks were correct. COD: Ghosts did run at an inferior resolution on the Xb1 compared to the PS4 (720p vs 1080p).

[JeffZero]

I'm pretty sure that GiantBomb link is referring to the Xbox One "resolutiongate," in which case the leaks were correct. COD: Ghosts did run at an inferior resolution on the Xb1 compared to the PS4 (720p vs 1080p).

 

Yeah, I didn't bother tackling the individual links Natashina provided, but suffice it to say, that was the only one that really belonged in the same league as shinobi-esque news flashes, and as you said, it was proven true. PR spin is what GiantBomb was reporting.

[Vazgen]

So, Jeff, you think this leak is credible?

[JeffZero]

So, Jeff, you think this leak is credible?

 

I think the odds of it being a fake went down considerably as soon as shinobi602 posted that he sent out a few emails and got confirmation that it's genuine. In at least four years that guy has broken so much news that the notion that he doesn't know people in multiple studios is a lot more preposterous. Following that, it all rather clicks into place. He also said, in that same post of his, a while before the reddit user who posted the alleged leak went ahead and deleted his account, that his contacts told him EA is (unsurprisingly) not at all happy about this and insinuated that action may well be taken. When you take those Amazon Turk style surveys online you're almost always agreeing not to reveal to the public the information you come across. I know this from experience. That EA would use such a venue seems like a bad play in my book, but I'm positive there was small print somewhere telling him not to do it.

[Kabooooom]

Okay, I'm seriously curious now - lets assume this is legit:

Did anyone NOT see this coming? I mean, seriously?

You know what my initial reaction was when I read the leak?

"Unsurprising.".

[Fiery Phoenix]

I'm with Jeff on this one. I think people here really are underestimating Shinobi's credibility and write him off as just another self-proclaimed Internet newsletter.

[Vazgen]

I think the odds of it being a fake went down considerably as soon as shinobi602 posted that he sent out a few emails and got confirmation that it's genuine. In at least four years that guy has broken so much news that the notion that he doesn't know people in multiple studios is a lot more preposterous. Following that, it all rather clicks into place. He also said, in that same post of his, a while before the reddit user who posted the alleged leak went ahead and deleted his account, that his contacts told him EA is (unsurprisingly) not at all happy about this and insinuated that action may well be taken. When you take those Amazon Turk style surveys online you're almost always agreeing not to reveal to the public the information you come across. I know this from experience. That EA would use such a venue seems like a bad play in my book, but I'm positive there was small print somewhere telling him not to do it.

I just find it stupid that Bioware/EA would make the same mistake twice.

And I hope this isn't the correct depiction of the storyline and setting because it would make me (and quite a lot of other people it seems) to think twice before getting the new game. Which is a shame.

[Grieving Natashina]

Okay, I'll bite.  I took the time and went through the links that was this evidence.   

 

Starting with Quantium Break may be delayed until summer of 2015:

 

"I was told it was coming next year, but I wouldn't quote myself on it."

 

 

It's delayed until 2016, according to IGN.  So, how does that translate into summer of 2015?  In fact, how does him saying, "I wouldn't quote myself on it" prove he was right about anything?

 

There was rumors before February of 2014 that the next Battlefield game would be shown at E3.  In fact, I heard about that rumor way back in November of 2013.

 

"Battlefield: S.W.A.T. (tentative at the moment)"

 

 That sounds like a name that anyone could come up with.  Since he made that post on May of 2014, not long before E3, I'm more inclined to believe that he was making this up.  I'm willing to bet that the name was decided on long before that tweet.  So far, it isn't looking very convincing.

 

"AC: Unity, two demos planned.  Hotness incoming."

 

 This was a game that was long rumored before Shinobi ever said a word that was going to have demos at E3 2014.  

 

"One Showcasing SP, other show casing 4-player coop."

 

 

 Well, of course there would be demos to show off the single player and any MP features for a franchise like this for E3.  I heard about the possible 4-player coop back in late 2013.  

 

For GTA V, I don't see how he was proven correct here either.  

"No idea mate. Though they do have a game set for this year, I'd imagine that to be it,"

 

The article you linked said that he confirmed the date. 

 

Yeah, for ME4?  The link you sent me was from 2014, which was when Shinobi made his "reveal."  Too bad the devs already had mentioned this the year prior.

 

http://www.nowgamer....-or-prequela€™/

http://forum.bioware...ct-4/?bioware=1

 

The Halo 5 one was correct. 

 

The one about the Master Chief collection only mentioned the tweet where Shinobi was talking about Halo 5's reveal hours before it happened.  I didn't see him confirming that collection.

 

In the link you sent me regarding the Walking Dead.

 

"The Walking Dead.  PS4.  June 17th."

 

Try October 14th of that year.

 

God of War 4: That was for a supposed PS3 test.  The fact that a GoW 4 was coming should surprise no one, and now it's been pushed back until at least 2018.

 

 

So, why am I supposed to believe him again?

[The Elder King]

I just find it stupid that Bioware/EA would make the same mistake twice.
And I hope this isn't the correct depiction of the storyline and setting because it would make me (and quite a lot of other people it seems) to think twice before getting the new game. Which is a shame.

They Actually made similar mistakes more then two times (though not in the Same way).ME3's entire plot was leaked before release. DA2 suffered something similar. Leaks aren't uncommon for Bioware games.