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[Farangbaa]

I think the odds of it being a fake went down considerably as soon as shinobi602 posted that he sent out a few emails and got confirmation that it's genuine. In at least four years that guy has broken so much news that the notion that he doesn't know people in multiple studios is a lot more preposterous. Following that, it all rather clicks into place. He also said, in that same post of his, a while before the reddit user who posted the alleged leak went ahead and deleted his account, that his contacts told him EA is (unsurprisingly) not at all happy about this and insinuated that action may well be taken. When you take those Amazon Turk style surveys online you're almost always agreeing not to reveal to the public the information you come across. I know this from experience. That EA would use such a venue seems like a bad play in my book, but I'm positive there was small print somewhere telling him not to do it.

Who the hell is this shinobi?

What is his/her trackrecord? Give me some proof about his/her 'insider' knowledge.

I don't believe any of this nonsense. So this dude/gal sent some emails and got confirmation? But EA forced the survey poster to remove that same information shinobi got confirmation on?

Haha, how gullible can you be?

[JeffZero]

I, er, already posted proof, you silly person.

[The Elder King]

Who the hell is this shinobi?What is his/her trackrecord? Give me some proof about his/her 'insider' knowledge.I don't believe any of this nonsense. So this dude/gal sent some emails and got confirmation? But EA forced the survey poster to remove that same information shinobi got confirmation on?Haha, how gullible can you be?

I'm not sure the leak is true myself, but considering Bioware's track record With leaks, I don't see how Someone Can be so sure that it's false.

[Kabooooom]

I guess we will wait and see. But honestly, the plot is so incredibly predictable that it was actually predicted by us already - so at this point I wouldn't be surprised if it was true, OR if the poster deliberately chose that plot to sucker people in.

Both seem equally plausible.

[Farangbaa]

I, er, already posted proof, you silly person.

Again.

This dude/gal sent emails and gets confirmation on things EA 'forcefully' had removed.

How gullible are you? They are going to confirm things to him/her that they are desperatly getting removed from the internet.

Yeah, right.

Also, what Natashina said.

[JeffZero]

I'm glad you bit, Natashina, I disagree wholeheartedly that S.W.A.T. wasn't on the mark, given the franchise's war settings up to that point. In reply to most of your other counters, there are two big things worth noting: first, that any and all web articles I drum up are just as susceptible to being poorly-documented as all those that you provided, given the nature of internet journalism. When tasked with coming up mentions of a person's track record via mobile phone this is bound to happen. It took a lot to get that all posted. Second, most of the quibbles I'm seeing from you stem from incorrect dates on his part (when people have asked him for specifics) rather than incorrect information in and of itself. Release dates and the like are subject to change; they aren't announced until they're locked, and this is a man who is offering information prior to said locks. 

 

I'm going to be frank; I've always found you to be one of the most devout skeptics this side of Dana Scully. I like you, don't get me wrong. It just seems common to me. Maybe you in turn think I'm some starry-eyed sucker for everything that everyone ever supposedly says, and maybe my estimation of you is far off the mark. We can agree to disagree on shinobi for now (I vow to drum up more for you later and we can debate the matter further if you'd like) but there's a reason most people familiar with him recognize he's generally worth noting, and it isn't some kind of warped internet cult worship (although that tends to come with the territory... trust me.)

[JeffZero]

Again.

This dude/gal sent emails and gets confirmation on things EA 'forcefully' had removed.

How gullible are you? They are going to confirm things to him/her that they are desperatly getting removed from the internet.

Yeah, right.

Also, what Natashina said.

 

shinobi isn't breaking an NDA. That's the difference here. And it is far from some unique occasion for sources within any given industry to be willing to talk to particular people, which is kind of probably shinobi's thing as a poster, is knowing people who have talked. 

 

Thing is, though, I don't really enjoy your e-tone with me, so please keep barking if you feel the need but do note my replies to you will be significantly shorter than those to Natashina, who is a far more level-headed poster with a lot more to say.

[Kabooooom]

I dont understand why people are railing against this leak. I'm ambivalent. If its true its true, if false its false. If its true I called it long ago, not surprised. Predictable plot is predictable. If its false Bioware stepped up and threw a curveball, I would be pleasantly surprised.

In either situation, I'm pretty sure I am going to enjoy the hell out of this game, just like I enjoyed the hell out of ME3.

Alright, I'm going to go take an intergalactic leak now.

[JeffZero]

I'm not even the biggest fan of the leak, and if it's proven false the only thing I'll be experiencing is a bit of a confused glance toward shinobi602. I like the setting but I don't like a lot of the emphasis in that thing and it has me worried it'd cause the same problems for me that Inquisition did. I wouldn't mind it being fake, I really wouldn't.

 

After today though I'll probably disappear again until E3 regardless. I don't spend a lot of time here except in "hype season", so to speak. If the leak gets proven fake I'll swing by and acknowledge Natashina's correctness, though. For posterity's sake.

[AresKeith]

I dont understand why people are railing against this leak. I'm ambivalent. If its true its true, if false its false. If its true I called it long ago, not surprised. Predictable plot is predictable. If its false Bioware stepped up and threw a curveball, I would be pleasantly surprised.

In either situation, I'm pretty sure I am going to enjoy the hell out of this game, just like I enjoyed the hell out of ME3.

Alright, I'm going to go take an intergalactic leak now.

 

It's not that they're railing against it, atleast some aren't. They just don't think it's legit

[PCThug]

I dont understand why people are railing against this leak. I'm ambivalent. If its true its true, if false its false. If its true I called it long ago, not surprised. Predictable plot is predictable. If its false Bioware stepped up and threw a curveball, I would be pleasantly surprised.

In either situation, I'm pretty sure I am going to enjoy the hell out of this game, just like I enjoyed the hell out of ME3.

Alright, I'm going to go take an intergalactic leak now.

I don't understand it either. If it's wrong, some people will be able to pat themselves on the back for being a skeptic. If it's right, some people will be able to pat themselves on the back for believing. Nothing wrong with people discussing what they like or don't like in the survey. It's something to talk about, even if it comes to naught.

[JeffZero]

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I don't understand it either. If it's wrong, some people will be able to pat themselves on the back for being a skeptic. If it's right, some people will be able to pat themselves on the back for believing. Nothing wrong with people discussing what they like or don't like in the survey. It's something to talk about, even if it comes to naught.

 

Some people just like bringing a new stance to the war table, I suppose. The leak's worth examining, even if I agree it probably isn't worth jumping off a cliff or ordering a champagne bottle over.

[Grieving Natashina]

I'm glad you bit, Natashina, I disagree wholeheartedly that S.W.A.T. wasn't on the mark, given the franchise's war settings up to that point. In reply to most of your other counters, there are two big things worth noting: first, that any and all web articles I drum up are just as susceptible to being poorly-documented as all those that you provided, given the nature of internet journalism. When tasked with coming up mentions of a person's track record via mobile phone this is bound to happen. It took a lot to get that all posted. Second, most of the quibbles I'm seeing from you stem from incorrect dates on his part (when people have asked him for specifics) rather than incorrect information in and of itself. Release dates and the like are subject to change; they aren't announced until they're locked, and this is a man who is offering information prior to said locks. 

 

Still, when that is being used as an example of how he's right, I take askance almost immediately.  It wasn't just incorrect dates, it was more that he made a lot of vague statements, most of which were based on older rumors.  In all of the links you sent me, I found exactly one that could not have just been made up, which was the Halo 5 reveal.  The rest are so vague that I'm not going to take it at face value.

 

 

I'm going to be frank; I've always found you to be one of the most devout skeptics this side of Dana Scully. I like you, don't get me wrong. It just seems common to me. Maybe you in turn think I'm some starry-eyed sucker for everything that everyone ever supposedly says, and maybe my estimation of you is far off the mark. We can agree to disagree on shinobi for now (I vow to drum up more for you later and we can debate the matter further if you'd like) but there's a reason most people familiar with him recognize he's generally worth noting, and it isn't some kind of warped internet cult worship (although that tends to come with the territory... trust me.)

 

 I don't know how to take that.  A compliment?  I find it funny because I'm actually a polythestic agnostic.  If anything, I tend to be the anti-Scully.  I'm closer to Mulder, just not obsessive about it.    I am a skeptic, but I try not to be a pessimist.  I think it comes from my love of journalism; if you're trying to state facts, site your sources.  I may have disagreed with how much evidence this offered, but I really appreciate you taking the time to dig up what you could.  

 

 And no, I don't think of you as some starry-eyed sucker.  I've always liked you Jeff, and I've watched first hand you applying your own skepticism on some topics.  Like with the rumor mill during DA:I's development cycle.  So I am not trying to disrespect you, nor your point of view here.  

 

See, part of the reason why I'm so cautious is because I know for a fact that even if this leak is 100% true for now, a lot of details including elements of the main plot could change drastically.  I've watched far too many posters take this at face value, a few that I know watched the same thing happen during DA:I's development cycle.  

 

 

I'm not even the biggest fan of the leak, and if it's proven false the only thing I'll be experiencing is a bit of a confused glance toward shinobi602. I like the setting but I don't like a lot of the emphasis in that thing and it has me worried it'd cause the same problems for me that Inquisition did. I wouldn't mind it being fake, I really wouldn't.

 

After today though I'll probably disappear again until E3 regardless. I don't spend a lot of time here except in "hype season", so to speak. If the leak gets proven fake I'll swing by and acknowledge Natashina's correctness, though. For posterity's sake.

No need.  I'm not interested in being right, I'm more interested in the truth.  

 

For the record, I didn't think a lot of that leak sounded like a bad idea.  Parts of it sounded cool to be honest.  The Strike Team missions and the possible MP currency for SP gear doesn't sit well with me, but that's not why I asked for the links.   I dislike the War Table missions a hell of a lot in DA:I, and I wouldn't want it here either.  I don't care if I'm wrong in my opinion about this person.  If nothing else, if I am wrong, then I learned about someone new on the internet.  Either way, I consider it a win.

[Kabooooom]

Even if things change drastically by the time of release, I'm at least 100% ok with the basic premise of it. The exploration aspects of ME1 were what I enjoyed most about the series.

I'm one of the few people who actually liked the Mako missions.

[JeffZero]

Still, when that is being used as an example of how he's right, I take askance almost immediately.  It wasn't just incorrect dates, it was more that he made a lot of vague statements, most of which were based on older rumors.  In all of the links you sent me, I found exactly one that could not have just been made up, which was the Halo 5 reveal.  The rest are so vague that I'm not going to take it at face value.

 

 

 

 I don't know how to take that.  A compliment?  I find it funny because I'm actually a polythestic agnostic.  If anything, I tend to be the anti-Scully.  I'm closer to Mulder, just not obsessive about it.    I am a skeptic, but I try not to be a pessimist.  I think it comes from my love of journalism; if you're trying to state facts, site your sources.  I may have disagreed with how much evidence this offered, but I really appreciate you taking the time to dig up what you could.[/quote]

 

 And no, I don't think of you as some starry-eyed sucker.  I've always liked you Jeff, and I've watched first hand you applying your own skepticism on some topics.  Like with the rumor mill during DA:I's development cycle.  So I am not trying to disrespect you, nor your point of view here.  

 

See, part of the reason why I'm so cautious is because I know for a fact that even if this leak is 100% for now, a lot of details including elements of the main plot could change drastically.  I've watched far too many posters take this at face value, a few that I know watched the same thing happen during DA:I's development cycle.  

 

That's all well and fair; I agree (based on my own love of journalism, I suppose) that it's imperative for us to always have the right stuff handy to back up any claims. It's unfortunate that it's rather difficult for either of us to find anything especially convincing to either party, and I think we both have plenty of reason not to be swayed by the links we've clicked. And it all boils down to good information being hard to come by. You're not wrong that shinobi makes a lot of vague statements, and you've illustrated that to me today. I do think that there's a lot more out there to be seen on the matter, no doubt plenty more vague statements with occasional eye-opening exceptions, but those exceptions existing and precious little (in my current estimation) to display the guy as a fraud... that's what I'm running off of, even as I concur with a lot of your assessment of the situation.

 

Anyway, it was a compliment! I think. Well, it certainly wasn't an insult.  And you're right that it's important that regardless of the authenticity involved here, plenty of details can change between now and release. Or even... when that reddit poster allegedly took the survey and the likely upcoming E3 reveal for that matter. I hadn't mentioned that as yet, but I'd doubtless have wound up saying it to someone at some point. Heh.

[Farangbaa]

Just to be perfectly clear: I barely read the leak, I only scimmed it then laughed at the insane amount of details for a game of which we barely know anything. I have no interest in being right, nor any interest whatsoever in wanting something different or something like it.

[Grieving Natashina]

Even if things change drastically by the time of release, I'm at least 100% ok with the basic premise of it. The exploration aspects of ME1 were what I enjoyed most about the series.

I'm one of the few people who actually liked the Mako missions.

You can count me in as enjoying the Mako missions too.  I even have a theme song for it: "Little Blue Dune Buggy" by Presidents of the United States of America.  

 

I'm fine with the idea, save the Strike Team stuff.  I am just uncomfortable with folks telling me that it's true because someone on the internet backed it up, that's all.  Jeff provided me some links and while I still have some major doubts, it shows that he was confident enough in his opinion to post those links.  I can respect that and I'm happy to wait and see what happens.  

 

 

Just to be perfectly clear: I barely read the leak, I only scimmed it then laughed at the insane amount of details for a game of which we barely know anything. I have no interest in being right, nor any interest whatsoever in wanting something different or something like it.

Honestly, as long as you take it with a grain of salt, there is some potentially great story and gameplay ideas in there.  It's worth the read if nothing else.  As long as no one decides to take it as absolute fact, this is some wonderful conversation fodder.  

[Grieving Natashina]

That's all well and fair; I agree (based on my own love of journalism, I suppose) that it's imperative for us to always have the right stuff handy to back up any claims. It's unfortunate that it's rather difficult for either of us to find anything especially convincing to either party, and I think we both have plenty of reason not to be swayed by the links we've clicked. And it all boils down to good information being hard to come by. You're not wrong that shinobi makes a lot of vague statements, and you've illustrated that to me today. I do think that there's a lot more out there to be seen on the matter, no doubt plenty more vague statements with occasional eye-opening exceptions, but those exceptions existing and precious little (in my current estimation) to display the guy as a fraud... that's what I'm running off of, even as I concur with a lot of your assessment of the situation.

 

Anyway, it was a compliment! I think. Well, it certainly wasn't an insult.  And you're right that it's important that regardless of the authenticity involved here, plenty of details can change between now and release. Or even... when that reddit poster allegedly took the survey and the likely upcoming E3 reveal for that matter. I hadn't mentioned that as yet, but I'd doubtless have wound up saying it to someone at some point. Heh.

Proof that two intelligent posters strong in their convictions can agree to disagree without insults!  You rock, and I've missed seeing you around.  Heck, I could be just being a Negative Nancy about the whole thing.   I'll be the first to admit that I could be dead wrong, and I'm unfairly judging Shinobi based upon some of my own experiences.  I've seen "trusted insiders" proven to be total frauds before.  I don't have enough evidence to trust him, but I don't have enough evidence yet to think he's a fraud.  I can promise that I'll keep an open mind, and not judge him completely.  

 

Aww, I appreciate it the compliment then.  

[The Elder King]

The return of the Mako is something I'm happy as well. I'm fine With the return of exploration in ME, though I hope that the ME team improves on what the DA team did in DAI.

[Grieving Natashina]

The return of the Mako is something I'm happy as well. I'm fine With the return of exploration in ME, though I hope that the ME team improves on what the DA team did in DAI.

If the customization of the Mako is real, mine is going to be blue.  Time for a little happy mood music:

 

[Kabooooom]

The return of the Mako is something I'm happy as well. I'm fine With the return of exploration in ME, though I hope that the ME team improves on what the DA team did in DAI.

Honestly, there are things that I dont like about what can be generalized as "Ark Theory", but one thing I like about it is that it would bring back a sense of exploration.

But not just any sense of exploration, an ultimate sense of exploration. You aren't just going to the Attican Traverse as humanity, the young upstarts who know jack about the galaxy. There were planets in the traverse combed over by Turians and Salarians centuries before humanity visited them.

But a new galaxy...its entirely unknown. For everyone. Humans, asari, turians, salarians, everyone is the newcomers.

That COULD make for some great storytelling, provided they dont screw it up.

[JeffZero]

I should clarify there's a lot in that blurb that I do like, actually. Hell, uh, I like it all, it's just that I'm cautious about all that stuff I like maybe leading to a critical path that feels unfinished to me by comparison, because a lot of resources (time, money, people, coffee, sweat, more money, overtime, ice cream binging, etc) have to go into all that stuff and I was personally let down by the overall critical path we found with Inquisition. I don't possess a crystal ball or anything, but my best guess is that it took too many resources building that game's beautiful world to polish the campaign to its proper (for me) state.

 

I'm also greedily hoping we get fully "cinematic" conversations all the time again rather than so many secondary conversations being viewed from afar, but I shouldn't be so unfair to Inquisition because truth be told I think the cinematic style was employed nearly as many times as there were total conversations in the previous games. It's the skeptic in me (ha) who will always believe that there comes a price for all this potential boldness. ME3 was marketed to heck and back as an emotional cinematic experience and when it was blasted so hard at launch I think there was a real tonal shift in philosophy within the company; to many this was a source of joy, as Dragon Age: Inquisition is a big, open game that trusts its players don't need the rails they so readily snark upon in games like ME3, but I'm always going to be that unpopular guy who'd gladly take to training wheels if my grounded little bicycle leads me to emotional cinematic experiences.

 

And now my metaphors are becoming completely ridiculous and I should probably go.

[Vazgen]

I really hope you're right, Natashina. 

[Grieving Natashina]

I really hope you're right, Natashina. 

As far as the some of the details around the leak, like the gameplay and such being subject to change?

[The Elder King]

Honestly, there are things that I dont like about what can be generalized as "Ark Theory", but one thing about it is that it would bring back a sense of exploration.
But not just any sense of exploration, an ultimate sense of exploration. You aren't just going to the Attican Traverse as humanity, the young upstarts who know jack about the galaxy. There were planets in the traverse combed over by Turians and Salarians centuries before humanity visited them.
But a new galaxy...its entirely unknown. For everyone. Humans, asari, turians, salarians, everyone is the newcomers.
That COULD make for some great storytelling, provided they dont screw it up.

I agree, though the vast majority of the Milky Way is still unknown for the Current races as well.