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[AresKeith]

now it's totally starting to sound a Restart

 

It basically is a restart/ fresh start

[ElitePinecone]

1) Why waste precious resource doing that when you can send ships out into dark space, stay in stasis for a couple of centuries, and return?  that's a far more viable and less lore-breaking alternative.

 

The Reapers would just come back in the next cycle, or the vanguard they left behind (perhaps, a new human-Reaper) would just wake up sometime and begin the harvest again. Unless you're proposing the survivors hide for 50,000 years and don't access the mass relay network and don't go back to the Citadel. 

 

We have to assume that the people sending out a colony ship have no idea if Shepard was going to be successful, or what the Reapers would do once they finished harvesting everybody.

 

And if they're going to restart galactic civilisation with a few ships, why take the risk of sticking around in the Milky Way? Why not use "precious resources" going to a place that they know the Reapers won't be at? Staying in the Milky Way has the guaranteed threat of the Reapers; a new galaxy could be dangerous but could also be totally benign. 

 

The only way to guarantee that the Reapers would never be a threat is to leave their area of control entirely. And if I were someone sending out a colony ship in the middle of the Reaper war, that would be my priority. 

[The Arbiter]

It basically is a restart/ fresh start

it's not if they go with the ark theory

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Unless the Reapers go to Andromeda as well, then these people only bought themselves a few centuries. 

[Iakus]

If ME4 was again set in the Milky Way and glazed over the specific consequences of the ending choices, would any of you mind? I personally don't care how the control/synthesis/destroy dilemma is reflected; they are generally seen as nonsensical options and I'd prefer if the next game pretended they didn't exist. They don't deserve to be acknowledged.

 

What should be referenced is who Shepard was and that Shepard stopped the Reapers. We shouldn't throw away our Shepard or our setting because of weird last-minute decisions. It'd be better to just cut out the little tainted bit at the end.

 

I think that Bioware should "cop out" and standardize them into a single world state. The Reapers go into dark space forever, synthesis wears off, or we eventually rebuild everything.

I would love if they did that.

 

ME3 was clearly supposed to end the story as well as the franchise.  When those plans changed, I think some retconning of the ending is excusable to acomodate that

[Hanako Ikezawa]

it's not if they go with the ark theory

With all the lore that has to be thrown away for the Ark Theory to work, yes it is. 

[AresKeith]

it's not if they go with the ark theory

 

True, I guess

 

Maybe the Citadel-ish place is the Ark

[The Arbiter]

With all the lore that has to be thrown away for the Ark Theory to work, yes it is. 

it would be a sequel not a fresh restart which is a sequel to a vague ending... which is the contrary idea to the whole point of a "sequel"

[Iakus]

The Reapers would just come back in the next cycle, or the vanguard they left behind (perhaps, a new human-Reaper) would just wake up sometime and begin the harvest again. Unless you're proposing the survivors hide for 50,000 years and don't access the mass relay network and don't go back to the Citadel. 

 

We have to assume that the people sending out a colony ship have no idea if Shepard was going to be successful, or what the Reapers would do once they finished harvesting everybody.

 

And if they're going to restart galactic civilisation with a few ships, why take the risk of sticking around in the Milky Way? Why not use "precious resources" going to a place that they know the Reapers won't be at? Staying in the Milky Way has the guaranteed threat of the Reapers; a new galaxy could be dangerous but could also be totally benign. 

 

The only way to guarantee that the Reapers would never be a threat is to leave their area of control entirely. And if I were someone sending out a colony ship in the middle of the Reaper war, that would be my priority. 

The Protheans planned on putting a million soldiers into stasis to lead the next cycle in preparing for the Reapers.  The only reason it failed was the Reapers learned where the base was.  Hell of a lot harder to do that in the dark between the stars.

 

It would waste more preciousl resources if the ships and crew cook a few months into their voyage, or the run out of gas a fraction of the way there.

 

Besides which, any place the races of the galaxy can go, the Reapers can follow, and get there faster anyway.

[dreamgazer]

So.... the "Not Citadel". We gonna get the "Not Omega" too? And the "Not Aria"? And the "Not Council". And will they dismiss the claims? Or embrace them this time? 

 

Hmm...

 

Could be a more literal O'Neill cylinder or a Stanford torus, but they'd have to come up with some pretty decent explanations behind its construction.

 

Hell of a lot easier to explain if it's long after the Reaper war, instead of parallel to it. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

it would be a sequel not a fresh restart which is a sequel to a vague ending... which is the contrary idea to the whole point of a "sequel"

No, with how much this voyage spits in the face of the established lore and technology, anything to do with going to another galaxy with Mass Effect technology is a hard restart of the franchise since the namesake of the franchise has to be thrown out and replaced with either a retconned version or new technology. 

[The Arbiter]

No, with how much this voyage spits in the face of the established lore and technology, anything to do with going to another galaxy with Mass Effect technology is a hard restart of the franchise since the namesake of the franchise has to be thrown out and replaced with either a retconned version or new technology. 

Ah I see what you mean

[AresKeith]

No, with how much this voyage spits in the face of the established lore and technology, anything to do with going to another galaxy with Mass Effect technology is a hard restart of the franchise since the namesake of the franchise has to be thrown out and replaced with either a retconned version or new technology. 

 

How would you feel if they canonized a ending or just rewrote it out?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

How would you feel if they canonized a ending or just rewrote it out?

I'd like it better than the nonsense this leak says they are doing. 

[AresKeith]

I'd like it better than the nonsense this leak says they are doing. 

 

Yet, you complained when Deus Ex did it

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yet, you complained when Deus Ex did it

I know. This is worse than what the people making Deus Ex are doing. At least the people at Edios didn't throw out the lore when making the sequel. 

[marcelo caldas]

To be honest..... do you want to unravel that mess into something that could be made into a workable jumping off point?

 

Just a few issues to clear up.

 

Does everyone have green eye's and is all tech now "Alive"?

 

Are the Geth and Quarian's still around after the destroy ending?

 

Is the Over Shepard and his flock of Reaper's running the show now?

 

Trying to bring those three points in line with one another when only one specific ending could be chosen would be messy and very well invalidate the, 'it's your story' approach to the game by making one canon.

 

Better to leave the Milky Way behind till enough times gone by that the first line of dialogue is...... "Hey? Wasn't, (Insert R, B, or G question here) before we left?

 

"Yeah!!! Took a long time to repair the damage but we're over it now".

 

Don't get me wrong. I still think at some point BW has to try and overcome that hurdle of what happened in the Milky Way, if only show they can master narrative gone wrong but I submit something that should make some wag their tails with glee......

 

If the new character's don't have green eye's..... Then synthesis isn't canon.

 

unless he left after the War to "take Earth Back"

[AresKeith]

I know. This is worse than what the people making Deus Ex are doing. At least the people at Edios didn't throw out the lore when making the sequel. 

 

You should atleast wait until the devs confirm something before jumping to conclusions over a leak

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You should atleast wait until the devs confirm something before jumping to conclusions over a leak

Nah. I tried that with DAI and all that did was crush the hopes I kept holding onto when they confirmed my fears. I'm going with the "Always assume the worst. That way you are never disappointed." mindset this time. 

[GalacticWolf5]

Maybe the Citadel-ish place is the Ark

Thats exactly what I was thinking

[AresKeith]

Nah. I tried that with DAI and all that did was crush the hopes I kept holding onto when they confirmed my fears. I'm going with the "Always assume the worst. That way you are never disappointed." mindset this time. 

 

Or you can keep expectations to a medium

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Or you can keep expectations to a medium

Again, did that with DAI only to be drug further down. 

 

This way works better. I've been hurt by too many things in my life. I need to stop being optimistic. 

[Steppenwolf]

Voyager is in the same setting,

No it isn't. They were like 100 years away from Federation space(as in, it would take them 100 years to get back to the setting of the rest of Star Trek).

What Mass Effect "wanted" to do according to you and what Star Trek is about has nothing to do whith my point, and what you can do in ME and can't in Star Trek has nothing to do with anything.

You completely missed the point. My comparison to Voyager is entirely valid but you're choosing to get bogged down in details that are irrelevant and incorrect.

And who said i was against exploring new places? You were exploring an interesting setting they had created, now they're ditching it.

ME3 didn't let me explore anything interesting. It was a series of A to B boxes followed by an ending that ruined the entire galaxy for future titles.
 

Man you have a fundamental missunderstanding what i'm talking about. It's not about the galaxy as a place, it's about the setting they created that happens to exist within the Milky Way.
Just beacuse you don't give a crap about the races,places and history or whatever where Mass Effect took place dosen't mean it wasn't important to other people.

I like the races, planets and lore of the trilogy just fine(for the most part). But I'm not so blindly sentimental that I would want them to stay in the Milky Way despite the pile of crap ME3 left for them there. There is no satisfactory way to deal with the ending and move forward with something new and good. They would either have to choose a canon ending or ignore it entirely by doing prequels acting like it never happened.

A lot people have shown interest into exploring places such the homeworld of the elcor, hanar, volts etc and returning to Illum and palaven etc just look around BSN and the interet it'll show that people want to explore more of the galaxy. Three games isn't enough to develop the setting bioware created and having only scratched the surface of the lore there is still a lot left to develop.

A lot of people have shown interest in nothing but the romances. Should the next Mass Effect be nothing but a dating sim?
Fans are stupid. They don't know what they want until it's given to them. Do you know why most fanfic is utter crap? Because most fans are utterly stupid. If we left these sorts of decisions up to the fans Mass Effect would become the worst series in gaming history.