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[Steppenwolf]

The endings ruined one game. We shouldn't let it ruin another nor run away to another galaxy.
Amalgamate them, most people either dislike or don't care about the endings. Lets keep the trilogy locations (plus Palaven) as "home base" while exploring the unknown. Heck, this would be 'safer' than ditching and moving to another galaxy.

Why would you want them to play it safe? Don't you want new ideas and experiences? Keeping it in the Milky Way and keeping all of the familiar planets as 'bases' just limits how much new content they can give us. I don't want half of the game to be old places that I've already been or know all about.

[AresKeith]

So we ignore the Crucible.

 

That's the point of Ark Theory anyway.

 

Only way to properly do that is have a game set before the War

[Iakus]

Why would you want them to play it safe? Don't you want new ideas and experiences? Keeping it in the Milky Way and keeping all of the familiar planets as 'bases' just limits how much new content they can give us. I don't want half of the game to be old places that I've already been or know all about.

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[Iakus]

Only way to properly do that is have a game set before the War

I don't think there is a "proper" way to do that.  That ship sailed three years ago.

 

But ignoring space magic by invoking more space magic is a losing proposition

[Steppenwolf]

There's plenty of new things they can do the Milky Way.

Hundreds of billions of stars, remember?
Sci-Fi Writers Have No Sense of Scale

The Crucible affected the entire galaxy, remember? And if you want new experiences then why are you opposed to a new galaxy? You all seem to want more of the same, not new ideas.

[AresKeith]

I don't think there is a "proper" way to do that.  That ship sailed three years ago.

 

But ignoring space magic by invoking more space magic is a losing proposition

 

Your right that ship has sailed to the point where the Hundreds of billions of stars got affected 

[Steppenwolf]

I don't think there is a "proper" way to do that. That ship sailed three years ago.
But ignoring space magic by invoking more space magic is a losing proposition

But ignoring space magic to pretend the last game never happened is somehow better?
You're putting sentimentality ahead of common sense.

[Iakus]

The Crucible affected the entire galaxy, remember? And if you want new experiences then why are you opposed to a new galaxy? You all seem to want more of the same, not new ideas.

 

So we ignore the Crucible.It was clearly meant to conclude the franchise.  That's clearly not gonna happen, so make something else up about what th eCrucible did so we all start on the same page.

 

Or simply don't address what the Crucible did exactly.  Point is, zero out the galaxy so we don't have to ask the quarians for tips on how to keep a fleet going for centuries.

 

You see the thing is, the Milky Way is already ripe for exploration.  Only the tiniest fraction of it has been explored, and there's this entire relay network already set up to let us explore it.  Pulling up stakes and moving to a new galaxy is simply infeasible, not to mention wasteful.  We can do anything in the Andomeda galaxy in the Milky Way.  And do it more easily, and in less lore-breaking manner.  New worlds, new species, new experiences.  It's all there,right outside the front door.

 

You seem to want to reinvent the wheel.  Why?

[Iakus]

Your right that ship has sailed to the point where the Hundreds of billions of stars got affected 

 

Only if Bioware chooses that.  maybe the Crucible could be retconned to summon a pod of giant space dolphins to eat the Reapers.

But ignoring space magic to pretend the last game never happened is somehow better?
You're putting sentimentality ahead of common sense.

 

Yes.  But that's not what I'm proposing.  Only that what the Crucible did exactly gets retconned or ignored (Bioware's good at both, after all) so we all start iin the same galactic state.

[Rasande]

You completely missed the point. My comparison to Voyager is entirely valid but you're choosing to get bogged down in details that are irrelevant and incorrect.

Hello pot, have you met kettle? Apparently mentioning something in the first sentance is getting bogged down in details. Hell this entire argument started beacuse i made a joke with your Die Hard analogy and the fact that you lack reading comprehension.

Hell the part you're responding to isn't even about the Voyager analogy but you missing the point. You don't see the irony in this? Christ.. you're doing nothing but getting bogged down in irrelevant details...

ME3 didn't let me explore anything interesting. It was a series of A to B boxes followed by an ending that ruined the entire galaxy for future titles.
Lol, ok. What's your point? ME3 is just the last part of the trilogy. And what im talking about is exploring the setting, we got to see the council races on their home turf, Tuchanka and the Flotilla. Again, just beacuse you don't think that's important  or interesting dosen't mean it's not important to someone else.

I like the races, planets and lore of the trilogy just fine(for the most part). But I'm not so blindly sentimental that I would want them to stay in the Milky Way despite the pile of crap ME3 left for them there. There is no satisfactory way to deal with the ending and move forward with something new and good. They would either have to choose a canon ending or ignore it entirely by doing prequels acting like it never happened.

 

Dear god, i understand why they're doing it, i'd just prefer if they canonized it.. like i said IN MY FIRST POST. Hell i've mentioned it several times.. that would be satisfactory to ME since i value the lore and setting more than you do! How have you still not gotten this?

 

 

Whatever i'm done with this, this is retarded. 

 

[AresKeith]

Only if Bioware chooses that.  maybe the Crucible could be retconned to summon a pod of giant space dolphins to eat the Reapers.

 

Yes.  But that's not what I'm proposing.  Only that what the Crucible did exactly gets retconned or ignored (Bioware's good at both, after all) so we all start iin the same galactic state.

 

You're really reaching aren't you lol

[Iakus]

You're really reaching aren't you lol

Just trying to have some fun with this. 

 

But really, if they're not going to reference the past trilogy, then what does canonizing anything matter?  Hell, make it so no one knows what happened, and have all sorts of rumors flying around.  Everything from Synthesis to IT, but no solid evidence of anything.  

 

The point is, zero out everything so MENext starts at the same point (or near enough) for everyone.  We don't have to leave the galaxy to have a good exploration-based story.  We shouldn't have to let all that real estate go to waste.

[dreamgazer]

Only if Bioware chooses that.  maybe the Crucible could be retconned to summon a pod of giant space dolphins to eat the Reapers.

 

 
 

Yes.  But that's not what I'm proposing.  Only that what the Crucible did exactly gets retconned or ignored (Bioware's good at both, after all) so we all start iin the same galactic state.

... kinda-sorta, yeah. Jump ahead some time, unify the end-states, make the Reapers disappear, and we're ready to go.

[Loup Blanc]

If the leaked information is true, I can safely say I am overjoyed by the decision to move ME to another galaxy. Even before ME3 was released, I had always expected this to happen. It is just the next step in scope, as should be.

The ark theory is a fantastic idea. Imagine... as the Repear war rages on, a secret mission is carried over to recruit a group of highly resilient individuals, led by your Pathfinder, and members of each existing ME races. They are put in cryosleep on this ark and shipped to the Andromeda galaxy as a last resort solution, should the Reapers be successful.

 

But here is the thing. Because the the distance, it is a one way trip. The game would begin as Pathfinder awakes... tens/hundreds of thousands of years in the future. Communications with the Milky Way are virtually impossible, or would take decades at a time. I am no astrophysicist so if you are, feel free to adjust the numbers to make it more scientifically accurate... but if you've watched Interstellar, you get the general idea: a one way trip. Only Pathfinder is completely cut off from the Milky Way without any hope of ever seeing/hearing from it again.

Perfect. I will take this as an indirect acknowledgement by Bioware that Casey Hudson and Mac Walters' endings sucked so hard, damaged the franchise so deeply that they just want to move away from it as far as possible and NEVER turn back again. Nobody can blame them.

Now I only hope that they will bring back this feeling of loneliness / isolation you had in ME1. This sensation of being such a tiny little thing in your tiny little ship facing the immensity of the unknown, never knowing what you would find once you landed on these silent, barren planets. It was quite a magical feeling that has been gone since ME2.

 

While I am happy to see them move away from anything that has to do with the repercussions of ME3's awful endings, I am more worried about the rest of the leaked info. Worried they may try once again to blend too many elements and end up with a game that wants to be too many things to too many people at the same time. I don't want another DA:I. I want a cinematic shooter with exploration, the key here being cinematic. No over-the-shoulder Skyrim camera anymore. No fetch quests for your recently established colonists.

I know, I know. One can dream.

[AresKeith]

Just trying to have some fun with this. 

 

But really, if they're not going to reference the past trilogy, then what does canonizing anything matter?  Hell, make it so no one knows what happened, and have all sorts of rumors flying around.  Everything from Synthesis to IT, but no solid evidence of anything.  

 

Isn't that technically what's happening, iirc they leave before the final decision is even made right?

 

So they wouldn't even know what happens 

[T-Raks]

If ME4 takes place in Andromeda, then I'm not as excited as I would be if it would take place in the Milky way (after ME3 in the timeline).

[Revan Reborn]

Folks. The endings (red, blue, green) aren't nearly as drastic and different as many claim. BioWare doesn't need to reboot the franchise to avoid "retconning" or to start "fresh" because they "ruined Mass Effect." This is all nonsense. Regardless of the choice you made, the reaper threat is over. Thus, the only thing that really separates the choices of what happens to the reapers in Synthesis and Control? The most logical step would be they return to dark space. Problem solved. Other than that, everything else is easily manageable such as the genophage, fate of the geth/quarian, etc. BioWare doesn't need a plot to justify them running away from what Mass Effect is.

[Iakus]

 

... kinda-sorta, yeah. Jump ahead some time, unify the end-states, make the Reapers disappear, and we're ready to go.

Only problem with that is it would a prohibitively long time-jump thanks to the long lifespans of asari and krogan, not tot mention the effective immortality of most synthetic life.

 

Isn't that technically what's happening, iirc they leave before the final decision is even made right?

 

So they wouldn't even know what happens 

Except leaving the galaxy is not technologically feasible even with Reaper technology (not without pulling a Lazarus Project/Crucible level of space magic out of some orifice or other)  

 

We can do the "no one knows what happened" thing without leaving.

[dreamgazer]

Isn't that technically what's happening, iirc they leave before the final decision is even made right?

 

So they wouldn't even know what happens 

 

We don't know when they've left.  Assumptions are running rampant, though, based on this forum's ark theory speculation. 

[wright1978]

Just trying to have some fun with this. 
 
But really, if they're not going to reference the past trilogy, then what does canonizing anything matter?  Hell, make it so no one knows what happened, and have all sorts of rumors flying around.  Everything from Synthesis to IT, but no solid evidence of anything.  
 
The point is, zero out everything so MENext starts at the same point (or near enough) for everyone.  We don't have to leave the galaxy to have a good exploration-based story.  We shouldn't have to let all that real estate go to waste.

That would in effect violate all individual canons from all endings. Ignoring it wouldn't keep them intact. If you are going to do that they might as well nail their colours to the mast and choose one of the endings as canon and set a default universe round that canon. personally I'm happy the different route rumoured where individual canons are respected.

[AresKeith]

We don't know when they've left.  Assumptions are running rampant, though, based on this forum's ark theory speculation. 

 

Ah ok, all these fan theories and leaks meshing together lol

 

Only problem with that is it would a prohibitively long time-jump thanks to the long lifespans of asari and krogan, not tot mention the effective immortality of most synthetic life.

 

Except leaving the galaxy is not technologically feasible even with Reaper technology (not without pulling a Lazarus Project/Crucible level of space magic out of some orifice or other)  

 

We can do the "no one knows what happened" thing without leaving.

 

Except everyone would know what happens if we stayed in the Milky Way

[The Elder King]

Folks. The endings (red, blue, green) aren't nearly as drastic and different as many claim. BioWare doesn't need to reboot the franchise to avoid "retconning" or to start "fresh" because they "ruined Mass Effect." This is all nonsense. Regardless of the choice you made, the reaper threat is over. Thus, the only thing that really separates the choices of what happens to the reapers in Synthesis and Control? The most logical step would be they return to dark space. Problem solved. Other than that, everything else is easily manageable such as the genophage, fate of the geth/quarian, etc. BioWare doesn't need a plot to justify them running away from what Mass Effect is.

Well, Synthesis still has the problem of glowing organics.

[wright1978]

Well, Synthesis still has the problem of glowing organics.

Refuse has the issue of everyone dead.

[Iakus]

That would in effect violate all individual canons from all endings. Ignoring it wouldn't keep them intact. If you are going to do that they might as well nail their colours to the mast and choose one of the endings as canon and set a default universe round that canon. personally I'm happy the different route rumoured where individual canons are respected.

 

::shrug::  It's not like I'm saying they should go back to ME3 and delete the entire ending.  You can go back and play ME3 and pick your ending, and end Shepard's story however you want.  

 

But MENext is a different game, a different story.  Why should Shepard's ending have any influence on this story?  

[Iakus]

 

Except everyone would know what happens if we stayed in the Milky Way

Why?  In the end, it's all some story a grandfather's telling.