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[Steppenwolf]

I';m advocating less pretzel-twisting.  Not throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

No, you're advocating for the further degradation of the lore just because. What harm is there in going to the Andromeda galaxy? Leaving behind the Milky Way? So what. Nothing new that they might have done there can't be done in the Andromeda galaxy. The same can't be said about the reverse. The Andromeda galaxy has more possibilities, fewer issues to deal with, and allows for a greater sense of exploration and suspense.

Yet again
HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF STARS!!!
This galaxy is freaking BIG!!!  Plenty of room to get lost in it.

We've already been all over the Milky Way galaxy. We haven't filled in all the blanks, but nowhere in the Milky Way would we be very far from a relay or a familiar planet. Some big threat emerges? We can just speed away to a relay and get the hell out there. That cannot be said about the Andromeda galaxy.

[Iakus]

No, you're advocating for the further degradation of the lore just because. What harm is there in going to the Andromeda galaxy? Leaving behind the Milky Way? So what. Nothing new that they might have done there can't be done in the Andromeda galaxy. The same can't be said about the reverse. The Andromeda galaxy has more possibilities, fewer issues to deal with, and allows for a greater sense of exploration and suspense.
 

What harm?  aside from it can't be done without yet more space magic?  That it would mean abandoning everything from the original trilogy "just because"?

 

The Milky Way has more possibilities.  It has both the familiar and the unknown.

 

 

We've already been all over the Milky Way galaxy. We haven't filled in all the blanks, but nowhere in the Milky Way would we be very far from a relay or a familiar planet. Some big threat emerges? We can just speed away to a relay and get the hell out there. That cannot be said about the Andromeda galaxy.

No, we haven't.  We have been to a few worlds, a small percentage of explored space in the Milky way.  And that is less than one percent of the explored galaxy.  We don't even know how far the relay network extends.  It hasn't been fully explored.  

 

Some big threat emerges?  What, like the rachni?  Yeah, can't really "speed away from that apparently 

[KaiserShep]

Naah **** the Milkyway... it doesn't even deliver milk at your door these days.

Or milky ways, for that matter.

[Malanek]

What harm?  aside from it can't be done without yet more space magic?  That it would mean abandoning everything from the original trilogy "just because"?

 

The Milky Way has more possibilities.  It has both the familiar and the unknown.

 

No, we haven't.  We have been to a few worlds, a small percentage of explored space in the Milky way.  And that is less than one percent of the explored galaxy.  We don't even know how far the relay network extends.  It hasn't been fully explored.  

 

Some big threat emerges?  What, like the rachni?  Yeah, can't really "speed away from that apparently 

But the Reapers have explored the entire thing. Any new technology or advanced life Bioware want to introduce would have to be accommodated into that. It is quite restrictive for that sort of thing. The milky way opens up more political stories, things that revolve around established worlds that we have. They both have different aspects to explore.

[Iakus]

But the Reapers have explored the entire thing. Any new technology or advanced life Bioware want to introduce would have to be accommodated into that. It is quite restrictive for that sort of thing. The milky way opens up more political stories, things that revolve around established worlds that we have. They both have different aspects to explore.

So?  What do the Reapers have to do with anything?  Before the war, they hadn't been in the galaxy for fifty thousand years.  Not very restrictive.

 

What any new race would have is a lack of contact with any Citadel race. 

[Malanek]

So?  What do the Reapers have to do with anything?  Before the war, they hadn't been in the galaxy for fifty thousand years.  Not very restrictive.

 

What any new race would have is a lack of contact with any Citadel race. 

So if the writers wanted to write in the Khet or the Remnant or any other space faring species they have to invent a background as to why the Reapers didn't harvest them.

[Iakus]

So if the writers wanted to write in the Khet or the Remnant or any other space faring species they have to invent a background as to why the Reapers didn't harvest them.

 

Maybe they fled here from Andromeda...

 

But yeah, if they want to create yet another Elder Race after the Protheans, Reapers, and Leviathans, well, maybe they should try thinking a little more outside the box.

[dreamgazer]

Maybe Reaper tech is actually Andromeda tech. 

 

[Malanek]

Maybe they fled here from Andromeda...

 

But yeah, if they want to create yet another Elder Race after the Protheans, Reapers, and Leviathans, well, maybe they should try thinking a little more outside the box.

It doesn't have to be an elder race. Just spacefaring. So like humans, turians, salarians, elcor, volus, drell, asari, batarians etc etc

[Kabooooom]

Maybe they fled here from Andromeda...

But yeah, if they want to create yet another Elder Race after the Protheans, Reapers, and Leviathans, well, maybe they should try thinking a little more outside the box.

The thing is though, an ancient race is realistic. You often trumpet the true statement about the sheer size of the Milky Way. But not only is it unbelievably huge, it is also unbelievably old. Try to imagine every 50,000 ish year cycle stretching back a billion years to the start. All the civilizations that rose and fell. It's unfathomable.

And in a galaxy without a cycle, one civilization would rise to dominance before all others. Just like the Leviathans did in ours. And it would happen, statistically, long before the rise of humanity. Every galaxy of sufficient age should have sufficiently ancient civilizations.

Hence, the very nature of the Fermi Paradox.

[Iakus]

It doesn't have to be an elder race. Just spacefaring. So like humans, turians, salarians, elcor, volus, drell, asari, batarians etc etc

In which case, again, so what?  The trilogy gave us a dozen different races.  Plenty of room for more spacefaring races.   

 

The thing is though, an ancient race is realistic. You often trumpet the true statement about the sheer size of the Milky Way. But not only is it unbelievably huge, it is also unbelievably old. Try to imagine every 50,000 ish year cycle stretching back a billion years to the start. All the civilizations that rose and fell. It's unfathomable.

And in a galaxy without a cycle, one civilization would rise to dominance before all others. Just like the Leviathans did in ours. And it would happen, statistically, long before the rise of humanity. Every galaxy of sufficient age should have sufficiently ancient civilizations.

Hence, the very nature of the Fermi Paradox.

 

I'm not sure what you're getting at here.  Do you want another Elder race?  

[AresKeith]

Maybe Reaper tech is actually Andromeda tech. 

 

 

Maybe the Leviathan's originally came from Andromeda  

[dreamgazer]

Maybe the Leviathan's originally came from Andromeda

 

[Malanek]

In which case, again, so what?  The trilogy gave us a dozen different races.  Plenty of room for more spacefaring races.   

 

This started with you saying "The Milky Way has more possibilities.  It has both the familiar and the unknown."  And I pointed out that was not quite true. You can't add a new undiscovered space faring race in the milky way without also creating a back story about why they haven't been discovered, and destroyed, by the Reapers. And then you disputed that.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You can't add a new undiscovered space faring race in the milky way without also creating a back story about why they haven't been discovered, and destroyed, by the Reapers.

Sure you can. 

 

They are a race that arise after the last harvest but didn't use Mass Effect technology, thus never made contact with the races we know. 

 

There, simple. 

[AlanC9]

A standard SF handwave for early races is that a technological race will eventually evolve to a point at which it's not really very concerned with physical reality. Something like the Anomines from Peter Hamilton's Commonwealth Saga. Stargate's ascended Ancients would also fit. So I don't see a real problem with more Elder races.

[AlanC9]

Sure you can. 
 
They are a race that arise after the last harvest but didn't use Mass Effect technology, thus never made contact with the races we know. 
 
There, simple.

Even if they did use mass effect technology, who says they ever found a relay to Citadel space?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Even if they did use mass effect technology, who says they ever found a relay to Citadel space?

That works too. I just said no mass effect technology at all because it would be neat to see a race without it. 

[MrFob]

This started with you saying "The Milky Way has more possibilities.  It has both the familiar and the unknown."  And I pointed out that was not quite true. You can't add a new undiscovered space faring race in the milky way without also creating a back story about why they haven't been discovered, and destroyed, by the Reapers. And then you disputed that.

 

Well, it does take the reapers centuries to cleanse the galaxy (according to vigil). They were here now for what? Maybe a year or two? And in that time, they had the primary goal to defeat the council races. These council races controlled the citadel. Thus, not all relays may have been open as would usually be the case.

So this cycle is a bit of a special case because a) the reapers didn't have much time here, b ) they didn't have full access to the relay network as usual and c) in the brief time they were around, they had their hands full.

So I'd say it's very plausible that there are races around now, which we did not yet discover and which never came into contact with the reapers either. However, they should wonder what the red/blue/green wave was, that swept over their planet one day (and if it was green, they will wonder about much more than that).

[Patchwork]

I'll miss a lot of things from the Mass Effect's Milky Way but going to Andromeda does seem like the easiest way to honour the events of Shepard's trilogy and move things forward. 

[TruthSerum]

Just chiming in to gloat a bit that I predicted a Mass Effect "Exodus" story line way back in September:

 

 

" Posted by TruthSerum on 20 September 2014 - 01:37 AM in Scuttlebutt

 

Here is what I think Bioware should do if they are smart because it basically covers all angles and doesn't completely ignore or retcon anything that has come before while at the same time is a completly different storyline relative to the original trilogy.  

 

Mass Effect: Exodus (or whatever)

 

It makes perfect sense that most of the different races of the galaxy could get together to form a fleet of a few hundred ships that are meant to leave the Milky Way galaxy and escape the Reaper apocalypse.  

 

The time period would begin just before the end of Mass Effect 3. They could be just arriving in a nearby galaxy via some newly discovered or repaired relay. I could see a situation where they are using the Milky Way relay network to monitor galactic activity when everythng just stops all at once. 

 

"Commander, the ..the galaxy has just gone dark."

"Gone dark?... How can an entire 'EFFING' GALAXY go dark?"

 

Something like that would adequately convey just how unbelievably huge the events of the previous triliogy were but at the same time the new characters have absolutely no idea what just happened. 

 

At that point they know the only thing they can do is move foreward, going back isn't even an option for the forseeable future. "

 

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I will also add to my prediction with this old post:

 

 

" posted by TruthSerum on 20 September 2014 - 02:14 PM in Scuttlebutt

I'm going to build on my " Exodus" theory by guessing/hoping that the new protagonists get dragged into some new conflct that has been going on in the new galaxy for years already.

You could be forced to choose sides and gather allies in the conflict and in true Mass Effect style the choices might not be so black and white.

All of this could be done in the name of self preservation for the survivors of the Reaper war more than anything else. But at the same time your actions just happen to be determining the future of a new galaxy. "

 

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And finally this:

 

" Posted by TruthSerum on 23 September 2014 - 10:18 PM in Scuttlebutt

I want the OG Mass Effect races traveling to a new galaxy that has a long time ongoing conflict between multiple races in the the new galaxy. 

These races would range from bad to badder to unbelievably bad and you have to choose to ally youself with one of them.

I would like to see a named big bad cult of personality type. 

I would also like to see the player have to fight along side or against some honor bound spiritual type elite warrior, kind of a cross between a native american mystic and a samurai."

[wright1978]

I'll miss a lot of things from the Mass Effect's Milky Way but going to Andromeda does seem like the easiest way to honour the events of Shepard's trilogy and move things forward. 

 

Sums up my stance on the issue.

[Guanxii]

The original series constantly makes reference to dozens of species who live on the citadel which we have never encountered in person yet. Until ME2 I hadn't seen or heard of the Drell and the same will be true of many more species with or without an embassy.

[Cameron Star]

The galaxy change is the only thing I really don't like about the leak, it's obviously a mechanism to avoid the endings.

I was thinking that our choices at the end of ME3 wouldn't affect the decision to travel there but the reason instead. It's been a while since I last played the end and I'm new to the forums and community so please forgive me if I make some mistakes or say something "noobish".

If Shepard's decision allowed the reapers to continue destroying life in the galaxy then maybe there was an "evacuation" of some sort (I've heard little of this "Ark" rumour) and several races worked together to flee the Milky Way. If Shepard's decision saves life in the galaxy then civilization continues to advance and develop greater instellar travel technology that allows us to travel farther than before, taking us to Andromeda which we begin colonizing and exploring.

Either decision would probably be further in the future, 50 years minimum to allow for the story to potentially align with both possibilities.

 

I was disappointed with all the endings though, original and extended ones, lame. But it's not like there'd be a way for a new story to take place in the Milky Way if one of our choices ended with all life being destroyed, there's no way that'd work out.