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[Hanako Ikezawa]

Shepard stopped Sovereign in ME1 which made the Ark possible. There's your influence...

Oh, so only ME2 and ME3 are utterly pointless? That is so much better. 

[The Elder King]

Yet, it's all non-canon now

  

Is KOTOR non-canon? I only thought the EU after Episode 6 was made so.

As far as I recall at First they wantedto scrap everything, But decided to scrap only the EU after Episode VI.

[ZoliCs]

Oh, so only ME2 and ME3 are utterly pointless? That is so much better. 

 

You know what? I don't care what you think. If you feel that not having every ****** detail recited in the next games turns them pointless then go ahead and suffer in your miserable self pity.

 

I for one want to play a new game and not a game that tells me what I did in the last game.

[AresKeith]

  
As far as I recall at First they wantedto scrap everything, But decided to scrap only the EU after Episode VI.

 

I'm still hearing the Old Republic stuff is non-canon, did they change it lately?

[Heimdall]

Alright, let's start with one thing we need that Reapers don't: Keeping those on board alive. Reapers don't have to worry about life support, or storage for food, water, etc.

...So what?

According to the codex, one of the prime dangers of the static buildup is that the discharge burns out all electronic systems and melts and fuses the internal structure of the ship. So clearly they must have some way to prevent the buildup from becoming a problem or they would be rendered non-functional.

We don't have any way of knowing for sure whether or not the Reaper method is replicable in ships with life support, but there's no indication that it wouldn't. I'm afraid the burden of proof is on you there, to prove that such a thing would even make a difference.

[AresKeith]

Oh, so only ME2 and ME3 are utterly pointless? That is so much better. 

 

How?

 

The supposed Ark is if they couldn't stop them

[Heimdall]

As far as I recall at First they wantedto scrap everything, But decided to scrap only the EU after Episode VI.

I heard it was all non-canon now.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

  
As far as I recall at First they wantedto scrap everything, But decided to scrap only the EU after Episode VI.

Yep. That's what I heard. 

 

I'm still hearing the Old Republic stuff is non-canon, did they change it lately?

From Wookiepedia about the Star Wars canon: 

In side-choosing games such as the Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic series and Dark Forces saga where the player has the choice between light side and dark side, as of yet, the light side ending has been verified as canonical by Lucasfilm in all games.

[Heimdall]

Yep. That's what I heard. 
 

From Wookiepedia about the Star Wars canon: 
In side-choosing games such as the Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic series and Dark Forces saga where the player has the choice between light side and dark side, as of yet, the light side ending has been verified as canonical by Lucasfilm in all games.

That's been their stance for awhile, so I'm not sure if that's up to date.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You know what? I don't care what you think. If you feel that not having every ****** detail recited in the next games turns them pointless then go ahead and suffer in your miserable self pity.

 

I for one want to play a new game and not a game that tells me what I did in the last game.

Good for you. I'm genuinely glad you enjoy the game the leak suggests. Same goes to everyone else who enjoys it. 

 

...So what?

According to the codex, one of the prime dangers of the static buildup is that the discharge burns out all electronic systems and melts and fuses the internal structure of the ship. So clearly they must have some way to prevent the buildup from becoming a problem or they would be rendered non-functional.

We don't have any way of knowing for sure whether or not the Reaper method is replicable in ships with life support, but there's no indication that it wouldn't. I'm afraid the burden of proof is on you there, to prove that such a thing would even make a difference.

Your response to probably the biggest problem they face, keeping their crew alive, is "So what?" I figured the Ark Theory fans would have this all answered already, especially that problem. 

 

How?

 

The supposed Ark is if they couldn't stop them

Because what we do in ME2 and ME3 don't matter. We can literally leave the story at the opening cutscene of ME2, or even the epilogue of ME1, and there would be no difference. 

[AresKeith]

Because what we do in ME2 and ME3 don't matter. We can literally leave the story at the opening cutscene of ME2, or even the epilogue of ME1, and there would be no difference. 

 

That's exaggerating 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That's exaggerating 

No, that's facing reality. 

[AresKeith]

No, that's facing reality. 

 

Yeah... I'm done with this, literally no point

[ZoliCs]

That's been their stance for awhile, so I'm not sure if that's up to date.

 

On April 25, 2014, a StarWars.com press release confirmed that the films of the sequel trilogy would not adhere to the post–Return of the Jedi Expanded Universe, with further comments from LucasBooks Senior Editor Jennifer Heddle confirming that the EU as a whole is no longer considered canon. The EU has been re-termed "Legends," with related publications remaining in print under that banner.

Since then, the only previously published material still considered canon are the six original trilogy/prequel trilogy films and the Star Wars: The Clone Wars television series and film. Most material published after April 25—such as the Star Wars Rebels TV series and all novels beginning with A New Dawn—is also considered part of the new canon, on account of the creation of the Lucasfilm Story Group, which currently oversees continuity as a whole. Characters under the Legends banner are still available for use as needed, even if events concerning them are no longer canon.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yeah... I'm done with this, literally no point

That's fine. No point arguing against something that is correct. 

 

 

On April 25, 2014, a StarWars.com press release confirmed that the films of the sequel trilogy would not adhere to the post–Return of the Jedi Expanded Universe, with further comments from LucasBooks Senior Editor Jennifer Heddle confirming that the EU as a whole is no longer considered canon. The EU has been re-termed "Legends," with related publications remaining in print under that banner.

Since then, the only previously published material still considered canon are the six original trilogy/prequel trilogy films and the Star Wars: The Clone Wars television series and film. Most material published after April 25—such as the Star Wars Rebels TV series and all novels beginning with A New Dawn—is also considered part of the new canon, on account of the creation of the Lucasfilm Story Group, which currently oversees continuity as a whole. Characters under the Legends banner are still available for use as needed, even if events concerning them are no longer canon.

 

In light of this event to answer your previous question, yes KOTOR is pointless. 

[von uber]

You Mean like Tali was a quarian walking codex in ME?
Beside the Fact ther every alien Companions acted as codexes from time to time, most of the info about the alien races came from the codexes, which Can be used again. And Since the crew members aren't the only aliens, we can learn about them through interactions and side quests.

Yes and the charcters in me1 were worse for it. Having characters refer to a whole civilisation that you will never ever see means that they might as well make entirely new races.

All the lore and backstory that makes mass effect what it was will be left behind and only referenced in codex or back story.
It's like having a guidebook on Rome when you are walking around Milton Keynes.

[Heimdall]

Your response to probably the biggest problem they face, keeping their crew alive, is "So what?" I figured the Ark Theory fans would have this all answered already, especially that problem. 

Nice attempt at deflection.

Now that we've established that surmounting the discharge problem is plausible within the lore, I don't really see how your argument holds up.

[AresKeith]

Yes and the charcters in me1 were worse for it. Having characters refer to a whole civilisation that you will never ever see means that they might as well make entirely new races.

All the lore and backstory that makes mass effect what it was will be left behind and only referenced in codex or back story.
It's like having a guidebook on Rome when you are walking around Milton Keynes.

 

Most of the lore and backstory were in codex

[The Elder King]

Yes and the charcters in me1 were worse for it. Having characters refer to a whole civilisation that you will never ever see means that they might as well make entirely new races.
All the lore and backstory that makes mass effect what it was will be left behind and only referenced in codex or back story.
It's like having a guidebook on Rome when you are walking around Milton Keynes.

We'll Have to agree to disagree on both points. Though I admit a lot depends on How Bioware handled the issue.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Nice attempt at deflection.

Now that we've established that surmounting the discharge problem is plausible within the lore, I don't really see how your argument holds up.

There was no deflection except by you. I asked about life support and necessities storage, to which you said so what then brought up the discharging problem. 

 

It's certainly plausible, if you are a gigantic machine that has no need for anything that an ark ship would need. I've never denied the fact that the Reapers can go to other galaxies unless humoring an argument that says they can't. In fact, I think that's what they do while waiting between cycles. In which case, Andromeda only has a few centuries until the Reapers come back. 

[The Elder King]

Most of the lore and backstory were in codex

Also this. We found most of the lore in codexes and characters acting as such (which happened beyond ME as well).

[ZoliCs]

In light of this event to answer your previous question, yes KOTOR is pointless. 

 

And does that diminish the fun you had with it? It's an independent story in the Star Wars univers, that's it. Same with the ME trilogy and the new game(s).

[Hanako Ikezawa]

And does that diminish the fun you had with it? It's an independent story in the Star Wars univers, that's it. Same with the ME trilogy and the new game(s).

It does, actually. I liked that I was playing a character who had a pivotal role in the Star Wars universe, and now it is not that. 

[Iakus]

Nice attempt at deflection.

Now that we've established that surmounting the discharge problem is plausible within the lore, I don't really see how your argument holds up.

No, you've only established that it's possible with beings millions of years more advanced than the current cycle.  Plausibility with the current cycle's tech base is still very much an open question.

 

From the Codex (emphasis mine):

 

Reaper power sources seem to violate known physical laws. Reapers usually destroy fuel infrastructure rather than attempting to capture it intact, indicating that Reapers do not require organic species' energy supplies. Consequently, the Reapers attack without regard for maintaining supply lines behind them, except to move husks from one planet to another. Unlike Citadel ships, Reapers do not appear to discharge static buildup from their drive cores, although they sometimes appear wreathed in static discharge when they land on planets.

 

And it still doesn't address how not to fry the crew.

[ZoliCs]

It does, actually. I liked that I was playing a character who had a pivotal role in the Star Wars universe, and now it is not that. 

 

Well...that's sad actually. For me KotOR is still a great story, great game with great characters. Canon or not doesn't matter.

 

And Mass Effect actually has it better. ME1-3 is not non-canon. The stuff you did in those game happened in your Mass Effect, just the next game moves the setting so they don't have to acknowledge it.

The Extended Cut DLC game enough of a starting point so you can head-canon what happens in the Milky Way, while Bioware can craft a new ME story parallel to that.