What's positive about this leak though?
Well, I'm really excited that by moving to Andromeda they can get back to the "stranger in a strange land" feel of ME1.
We have no idea what's in this galaxy - the races, the environments, the politics, the locations, the history... it's all waiting to be discovered.
That, and I really like some of the ideas about customisation of our ship and Mako.
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The Next ME launching point better be that Destroy ultimately fudged up the milky way and this sentiment is coming from someone who went Synthesis in my only play through.
All of those scenarios could fudge up the galaxy. Maybe some people just want to escape the idea of some demigod floating around, no matter how well intentioned.
But it can also be interpreted positively. Maybe things go so well in Destroy that humanity simply expands in a casual way.
Or maybe it's a negative in a subtle way... like the Krogan overcrowd human space (even if they get along).
The reaper plot is over. Or is it? If there is life in the other galaxies what do the reapers do about those? Are there potentially relays and citadels in all galaxies? If they do police the entire universe then are there essentially infinitely more out there reaping or sleeping right now? If the rumors are true might this not be the fate of the remnant?
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If there is life in the other galaxies what do the reapers do about those? Are there relays and citadels in all galaxies? Surely if the reapers police the entire universe (as Sovereign maybe alluded to) then darkspace is outside of the universe and there are essentially infinitely more out there reaping or sleeping? If the rumors are true might this not be the fate of the remnant?
The Reapers only aspire to that... they've only resided as far as the darkspace between galaxies. They're not intergalactic. They're merely computers made by Leviathan, a species of this galaxy.
I wonder what tech would push humans this far out though, if the Reapers can't even do it. Andromeda is over 2 million light years away.
Milky way is as we left it in ME3. Dunno where's the problem here.
The Reapers only aspire to that... they've only resided as far as the darkspace between galaxies. They're not intergalactic. They're merely computers made by Leviathan, a species of this galaxy.
I wonder what tech would push humans this far out though, if the Reapers can't even do it. Andromeda is over 2 million light years away.
That's what i'm asking myself. No known species even the Protheans were advanced enough to create wormholes in our galaxy let alone to Andromeda. There is simply not enough negative/dark energy in our known galaxy to make this trip even theoretically possible. Wormholes do not occur naturally and manual travel is out of the question. What if our relay network is linked to other galaxies and the relay network is essentially infinite?
Like Alice through the reaper hole we somehow stumble upon the citadel portal/gateway to darkspace and the wider relay network and take our next step into the great unknown?
The reaper plot is over. Or is it? If there is life in the other galaxies what do the reapers do about those? Are there potentially relays and citadels in all galaxies? If they do police the entire universe then are there essentially infinitely more out there reaping or sleeping right now? If the rumors are true might this not be the fate of the remnant?
I was thinking the same thing. What if the reapers have been in Andromeda too because all those details about Remnants sounds so familiar. They have left behind technology which you will find but you can't find much more information about them. Anyway reapers would have enough time reap all the other galaxies while they are waiting for that the life will develop in reaped galaxies.
Khets sounds also familiar. Khet == ghet? 
Hahaha, this is hilarious, if true. Myself and a handful of other forumers called this way back when. Outspoken folks like Drone were vehemently opposed to the idea, "it couldn't possibly be true!" Yeah, well. I guess we'll see. But like I said a year ago - you better get used to the idea because it makes perfect sense that they would do it.
yep the whole point of my theories
I remember Mr Drone's denial, too.
Well, I guess that what people mean wth "told you so!", right?
My biggest gripe about the move to Andromeda is all of the aliens we know and love from the original setting are going to be lost forever; save for a few cherry picked fan favorites.
More than that, I am afraid that any new aliens are only going to be more 're-skinned' humans with easily comparable cultures, social structures, motivations and perspectives. The 'alien' alien races like the Rachni, the Thorian, and the ME 2 Geth all were swept under the rug as the series moved on, and while BioWare could make some new completely alien species, their track record hasn't been very good in that regard. Just look at DA:I, all of the variety from creatures like Sylvans, and Werewolves, and Awakened, and Golems was replaced with more the 'human' variety of Orlais, and the ancient elves. Any non-humans that were present were just mindless monsters for the player to kill for XP.
My biggest gripe about the move to Andromeda is all of the aliens we know and love from the original setting are going to be lost forever; save for a few cherry picked fan favorites.
They can make the Pathfinder fleet as big and diverse as needed. There sure won't be communication with 'the old world' and by setting the moment the fleet left right Bioware can avoid every continuity problem there is.
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The more I think about it, it's kind of sad if there's humans willing to take this chance. If this is a planned expedition, then something terrible must've happened (a little different if it's some freak accident).
The more I think about it, it's kind of sad if there's humans willing to take this chance. If this is a planned expedition, then something terrible must've happened (a little different if it's some freak accident).
Mass Effect: Andromeda Chronicles.
That's my take on the title...I'm glad to at least some news of the game's details. Like all rumors, there is always a question of how accurate it is: some have said a similar survey for DA:I, turned out to have similar game details that the game ended up having. So, presume this is correct, and ME: AC is similar. What now?
It's the only way I can think to distance themselves from the events of the ME: Trilogy. Having to explore the "uncharted" realms of the Milky Way would likely make people wonder if there is any reference to Shepard or the ramifications of the three (or four) options. Obviously the key details of: When does the game take place? When do they get shipped out: Do the inhabitants shuttled off to Andromeda look like blended Organics and Machine; are there fleets of controlled Reapers tagging along with the Ark aren't talked about. Perhaps they got out early before the final ME3 decision and ventured to Andromeda in cryosleep. But then, though, the Mako should look like the ME1/ME3 Mako - not the one BioWare has shown us in video clips.
While BioWare remains "Mum" on the topic, it's only my speculation. I'm not thrilled with the venue change, but if it's designed like Mass Effect, sounds like ME, I'll play it
I certainly do hope, however, that the writers figure out a clean and "believable" way to transport an "Ark" 2.5 million light-years from at least Earth. It's a tall order, seeing as how the main writers of ME3 ended the game, but hopefully the new studio has their ducks in a row.
To me, ME1 was always been about seamless integration; hard sci-fi that skirted the line around the fantasy realm, while believable. When ME2 and ME3 arrived and I played it, I longed for this return. ME: AC seems to be heading back to this direction, but just a jump of going from the Milky Way to Andromeda is a tall order - just as it was bringing Shepard back from the dead in ME2.
(tried to post on another thread; seems the details hit home).
While the idea of creating new worlds seems interesting, you all have to remember that the majority of the writers who made the lore and made the series what it is are long gone. And the ones who are gone were the strongest in creating said lore.
Will an entirely new batch of writers be able to make something as deep and convincing, while still feeling like it takes place in the same universe? We'll see.
When you really get down to it, Mass Effect's lore kind of sucks. There's no consistency whatsoever. Different companies make different guns with the same name, Krogans are regenerative machines but not really because of gameplay balance reasons, we have Dark Energy stuff that no one really explains, the Reapers were able to traverse the Galaxy at no loss whatsoever and dominated everyone despite their plans being foiled repeatedly and them not having any backups, no one knows how any alien government or religion truly operates, what role religion plays in the Galaxy, what role cultural differences within the same places play, and so on and so forth.
We have a very big, very beautiful, and very vague galaxy. Mass Effect's lore gets a pass because most science-fiction universes that focus more on lore are just plain awful or worse, boring. Mass Effect is good and not boring, so it fares better than most.
Well, I'm really excited that by moving to Andromeda they can get back to the "stranger in a strange land" feel of ME1.
We have no idea what's in this galaxy - the races, the environments, the politics, the locations, the history... it's all waiting to be discovered.
That, and I really like some of the ideas about customisation of our ship and Mako.
If they're just gonna toss all the existing lore away, I think it's a waste really. I really wanted to see the inside of the Destiny Ascension. I really wanted to visit the volus' home planet. I really wanted to see what was on the other four arms of the Citadel.
But as far as I'm thinking about it, somewhere along in Shepard's life (obviously after exposing the Reaper threat, I'm thinking sometime in ME1) plans were made for the Ark. Then, I'm thinking about half a year before Shepard wakes up for ME2 to half a year into ME2 they launch. Then they go into cryosleep for the 300+ year journey to Andromeda.
So, I dunno. It's gotta be a wait and see. I just hope that BioWare isn't reaching too far beyond the limits of what existing lore will work.
EDIT : Oh, and I can tell you why they included the "Customize your Mako". They did it for game play reasons and it exists within the the lore. They didn't know what weapons would be available in 300+ years, they didn't know what weapons would hurt the existing Andromeda aliens, and the Mako would be best suited for all of those tasks.
Yeah, I can totally imagine the start of ME4 is during the Reaper war and our inexperienced character is guarding scientists researching 'some big rock floating around in the nowhere' which suddenly turns out to be an millions of years old intergalactic mass relay of unknown end.
"You, soldier, welcome to the Patfinder Initiative, grab what you can, we leave in 5 with or without you!"
A "fleet" consisting of lots of different ships just being at that wrong place at the right time like a Krogan merc team on the way to f*** someone up, a spacebus full of Asari chearleaders on vacation, the Salarian researchers, a Quarian habitat ship on the way to steal borrow some stuff from a Volus luxury yacht, a Turians chasing Batarian slavers ... would be more than enough to have all the problems Shepard had on the Citadel and more.
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Even if an Ark was constructed 3 years prior, they need some major explaining to do. You woudn't be getting to Andromeda in 300 years. Reapers are known to have the fastest FTL drives (twice the speed of the fastest Citadel/Alliance ships), and they can travel 30 light years in 24 hours. That's roughly 10-11 thousand light years in 365 days.... with constant travel. So about 5000 light years in a Citadel ship.... if they can manage constant travel...which they couldn't.
Andromeda is 2.5 million light years away.
Even if an Ark was constructed 3 years prior, they need some major explaining to do. You woudn't be getting to Andromeda in 300 years. Reapers are known to have the fastest FTL drives (twice the speed of the fastest Citadel/Alliance ships), and they can travel 30 light years in 24 hours. That's roughly 10-11 thousand light years in 365 days.... with constant travel. So about 5000 light years in a Citadel ship.... if they can manage constant travel...which they couldn't.
Andromeda is 2.5 million light years away.
Well, you're also forgetting about space magic. The originators of the Ark could have developed a long range form of travel that could only be used once that would get them there in 300 years. Again, no inside info here... 300 is just a number that I pulled outta my ass.
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Well, you're also forgetting about space magic. The originators of the Ark could have developed a long range form of travel that could only be used once that would get them there in 300 years. Again, no inside info here... 300 is just a number that I pulled outta my ass.
Fair enough. I can't argue with space magic. 
If only they weren't so hellbent on destroying an already good setting. And I remember in the "Final Days" app, that Casey Hudson said there'd be no more Mass Effect stories after ME3's timeline. I think at the time, he was trying to shut out any attempts...
If only they weren't so hellbent on destroying an already good setting. And I remember in the "Final Days" app, that Casey Hudson said there'd be no more Mass Effect stories after ME3's timeline. I think at the time, he was trying to shut out any attempts...
Poor Casey he underestimated the true power of the profit side of the Force!!
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Poor Casey he underestimated the true power of the profit side of the Force!!
Yeah, he underestimated profit making.
But also underestimated something simple... that people love big sprawling sci-fi settings and can't get enough of it. And there's not many options out there. He should have tried keeping it a livable place. Just because it's "fun"....at the very least.
Something terrible like a galactic apocalypse at the hands of synthetic-organic godlike war machines forcing the entire galaxy to pool their resources into an unproven piece of ancient technology as a last resort, necessitating a Plan B to ensure the survival of the galaxies races...perhaps.
I really like the theory that someone posted ages ago on Reddit, that "ARKCON" (the acronym that goes with the Pathfinder Initiative) stands for "Ark Contingency".
A contingency is basically just a Plan B, after all.
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