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[Nohvarr]

Assuming it doesn't get loose and kill all our guys?

 

Plus, like I said before, if this stuff gets cracked post-war, you have rendered one or more endings noncanon.

That's a risk, but not insurmountable.

 

Also, it could be cracked during the Final days of the war. I mean we had the most brilliant minds from multiple species working on the crucible, access to information on the Reapers (or did you forget that Joker hands Shepard a datapad with Reaper specs on it at the end of ME 2), and the knowledge of the Reapers creators to draw from.

[Heimdall]

There doesn't, but based on Aaryn Flynn's post I think there will be. He talked about ~160 people being what you'd need for a sustainable population, and that you'd need to "build a pretty big ship" to accomodate them. It's unclear to me whether the Tempest would be the ark ship or your personal exploration ship, though.

Sounded like it would be the protagonists' exploration ship ship.

[wright1978]

Well...that's sad actually. For me KotOR is still a great story, great game with great characters. Canon or not doesn't matter.

 

And Mass Effect actually has it better. ME1-3 is not non-canon. The stuff you did in those game happened in your Mass Effect, just the next game moves the setting so they don't have to acknowledge it.

The Extended Cut DLC game enough of a starting point so you can head-canon what happens in the Milky Way, while Bioware can craft a new ME story parallel to that.

 

Yep exactly. They are respecting the player's canon by not overwriting it by making an official canon if this leak is to be believed.

[The Elder King]

Unless you sabotage the genophage and get most of their remaining fertile females killed at Kelphic Valley of course...

I honestly doubt that, if the leak is true, we'll see any difference in the races in Andromeda. Though I don't Know how they'll handle te genophage.

[Nohvarr]

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[ZoliCs]

*quote*

 

Here's where GM Aaryn Flynn's head is at about the numbers (with sources):

 

http://www.neogaf.co...5#post160811725

 

Thanks. My rusty google-ing skills put it around 1k

 

I made a post a few hours ago to see how many people would the ark have to accommodate. If you scale it down to 160 it gives a rough idea:

 

The "how many?" is a better question. After some googling I found that Humans can repopulate with around a minimum of 1,000 people. That way you can avoid and/or ignore things like interbreeding, infertility, stillborns etc.

It was noted though that Humans have unusally higher genetic diversity than any other Mass Effect race, so other races need less than 1,000. The less diverse the DNA the less people they need to produce a healthy population.

 

The other end of the scale is obviously the Asari. They already discourage mating with other Asari, since genetic traits and cultural insight is gained from mating outside their species, so it's considered wasteful for Asari to reproduce together. Also Ardat-Yakshi is only possible with purebloods. So they only need 1 Asari.

 

Rest of them probably falls in like this:

1: Asari

50-200: Krogan, they are notably reproduce fast. 

100-300: Vorcha, they have low genetic variety because they adapt at an idividual level, not as a race.

400-600: Salarian, they reproduce with eggs. Unfertilized eggs produce males and fertilized eggs produce females. Social rules prevent all but a fraction from being fertilized. As a result, 90% of the species is male. Which means they need less females.

660-750: Elcor, Hanar, Volus, Drell, Batarian, Turian. There's no info about their genetics or reproducing so I put them 50-33% lower than Humans.

700-850: Quarian, same as above but they have a bad immune system.

1,000: Human.

 

Edit: Considering that the Collector Ship could house all human colonists you could easily take 10,000 Humans and 10x the rest of them as well on an Ark.

[SofaJockey]

I for one want to play a new game and not a game that tells me what I did in the last game.

 

This would suit me just fine, thanks.

It's BioWare's story and BioWare's choice of focus.

If it's a good story in an enjoyable environment, then consider my pre-order placed  .

[Pasquale1234]

How will they reverse engineer stasis pods by the time the Reapers attack when they only discovered the ones on Ilos only two years ago.

No need. There are hundreds (thousands?) on Ilos, available for repurposing.

Also: Prison Ship Purgatory had cryo containers.
 

I made a post a few hours ago to see how many people would the ark have to accommodate. If you scale it down to 160 it gives a rough idea:

For purposes of genetic diversity, it might be a lot easier to tote along some sperm banks and frozen embryos.

They also have genetic modification technology.

[CronoDragoon]

No reason they can't do both, I guess. Something goes wrong with the embryo storage you still have the old fashioned way.

[Iakus]

 

 

Also, it could be cracked during the Final days of the war. I mean we had the most brilliant minds from multiple species working on the crucible, access to information on the Reapers (or did you forget that Joker hands Shepard a datapad with Reaper specs on it at the end of ME 2), and the knowledge of the Reapers creators to draw from.

If they built a fleet of top of the line colony ships in the final days of the war while building the Crucible and building up their military fleets, then I gotta say the Reapers never stood a chance.  

[Nohvarr]

If they built a fleet of top of the line colony ships in the final days of the war while building the Crucible and building up their military fleets, then I gotta say the Reapers never stood a chance.  

Wouldn't have to be a fleet, just three "Liveship" sized vessels would do....heck one at a pinch and that's more than possible.

[BioWareAre****s]

Sorry to ask the obvious question, but why is everyone taking this 'leak' so seriously?

 

Think about it. BioWare screwed up with that Dragon Age survey years ago and leaked a load of information. Surely if (and let's remember that we have no proof of how truthful the guy who leaked this was being) they were to do a similar survey for MEN then they would be a bit more careful, like maybe mixing false information in with the real stuff to prevent too much from being known too soon?

 

It just seems like everywhere I look people are taking this waaaaay too seriously, treating it as confirmed fact when we have nothing to go on other than some post on reddit from a deleted account.

[Nitrocuban]

Lack of official info probably.

[katamuro]

Sorry to ask the obvious question, but why is everyone taking this 'leak' so seriously?

 

Think about it. BioWare screwed up with that Dragon Age survey years ago and leaked a load of information. Surely if (and let's remember that we have no proof of how truthful the guy who leaked this was being) they were to do a similar survey for MEN then they would be a bit more careful, like maybe mixing false information in with the real stuff to prevent too much from being known too soon?

 

It just seems like everywhere I look people are taking this waaaaay too seriously, treating it as confirmed fact when we have nothing to go on other than some post on reddit from a deleted account.

 

Because the guy who leaked it or later confirmed it, I am not sure at this point was a guy(or a girl) who has been proved quite right about leaks of that nature before. So while sure it is a rumour right now pure and simple it has been known from before that they turn out to be true more often than not. 

 

As a sidenote, if they actually do the whole andromeda thing then its going to be official, they have abandoned the milky way and everyone in it, all the stories and all the possibilities because a few people when making ME3 frakked up bad. One of the most promising Scifi universe's created in the past decade buried before it had its chance. And yeah I am hugely sceptical that they are going to ever go back. The NME might be a good game, heck it might be a really good game but we are still going to remember and wish for the greatness that could have been. 

[The Arbiter]

Because the guy who leaked it or later confirmed it, I am not sure at this point was a guy(or a girl) who has been proved quite right about leaks of that nature before. So while sure it is a rumour right now pure and simple it has been known from before that they turn out to be true more often than not. 
 
As a sidenote, if they actually do the whole andromeda thing then its going to be official, they have abandoned the milky way and everyone in it, all the stories and all the possibilities because a few people when making ME3 frakked up bad. One of the most promising Scifi universe's created in the past decade buried before it had its chance. And yeah I am hugely sceptical that they are going to ever go back. The NME might be a good game, heck it might be a really good game but we are still going to remember and wish for the greatness that could have been.

The next mass effect will never be great unlike the classics in the late 90's and early 2000's the way how gaming companies fuq the industry right now with never ending mandatory DLC's making the vanilla game handicapped or worse on release date. In addition to this, we have freaking tight deadlines nd crap... back when DOOM got released (one of the best space shooters in the history of gaming) Devs actually created games "they wanted to play" now devs create games for "profit"

[BioWareAre****s]

Because the guy who leaked it or later confirmed it, I am not sure at this point was a guy(or a girl) who has been proved quite right about leaks of that nature before. So while sure it is a rumour right now pure and simple it has been known from before that they turn out to be true more often than not. 

 

 

I heard about that, but I'm not entirely convinced that they aren't just jumping on the bandwagon (Edit: it was a separate person who 'confirmed' it, not the OP from Reddit). Remember this time last year when everyone was convinced that there was going to be a Mass Effect trailer at E3 because an industry 'insider' with a 'reliable' and 'good' reputation said so? Yeah, so do I. 

[katamuro]

I heard about that, but I'm not entirely convinced that they aren't just jumping on the bandwagon (Edit: it was a separate person who 'confirmed' it, not the OP from Reddit). Remember this time last year when everyone was convinced that there was going to be a Mass Effect trailer at E3 because an industry 'insider' with a 'reliable' and 'good' reputation said so? Yeah, so do I. 

 

You know I really hope you are right. I really do. 

[Pasquale1234]

Sorry to ask the obvious question, but why is everyone taking this 'leak' so seriously?

Offhand, I can only think of a couple of people who have stated they believe it likely.

Most of us are simply enjoying discussing the possibilities.

[Redbelle]

Hey, if the leaks serious or not.... at least people posting about it gives feedback to Bioware about how folks view the change of galaxy.

 

Honestly though, Bioware should not give out to much information ahead of time about their release until they are ready to start unveiling the world they plan to drop us off in. Mass Effect's uniqueness in an ongoing sequel from game to game created the expectation that now plagues it in that what happened in the past should impact on the future. And I agree it should.... but only up to a point.

 

Tabletop rollplaying games where it's a group of friends gives the freedom to do what people want in changing the state of the game world, and ME's and DA's ability to take game state changes and apply them to mold the world to reflect character actions is absolutely fantastic.... But in a coded video game that can only go so far. To many state changes to code for means less time spent developing ongoing story and adventure. It comes down to opportunity/cost. The cost of making the world adapt to the player is less time spent developing something else.

 

However this leak occured, if it even is a leak, it's giving Bioware the opportunity to test the water's of moving the setting to a new galaxy without coming out and asking, 'do you mind if we move the setting'? All these tidbits of info came out very structured in what was potentially on offer. And thus far the main point in this area of the forum has been about changing galaxies when something like upgradable vehicles and ships is being left behind.... Which is a shame because so much more of the leak that showed what BW might be looking into seems to be largely going unanswered.... I might dive into the forums and see if it's being discussed elsewhere. I want my Mako back..... After a handling upgrade.

[laudable11]

How long was Javik asleep? How many stasis chambers were on Ilos? Y'all remember Ilos right? I'm sure a great deal of tech was harvested from Ilos and Javik's stasis pod.

Why not put everyone to sleep during the voyage?

Don't need Reaper tech for everything.

[AresKeith]

The stasis isn't the issue there. This would be mobile, and FTL drives can't run continuously for hundreds of years. 

 

There's new speculation that a wormhole might come into play

[dreamgazer]

There's new speculation that a wormhole might come into play

Oooh! Can the Reapers come through the wormhole too?

[AresKeith]

Oooh! Can the Reapers come through the wormhole too?

 

If there is a wormhole I suspect a Reaper might notice the "Ark" and chase them and then the wormhole happens 

[ZoliCs]

The stasis isn't the issue there. This would be mobile, and FTL drives can't run continuously for hundreds of years. Not even the Reapers overcame this over millions of years. They would've gone to Andromeda if it was that simple.

 

Why would they?